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A Modest Proposal (Read Bionic Sonic's post, #90, for a good plan on what to do)

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Well, with highfive's idea, I'd be the music moderator :laugh: if you even need one, Bionic. But I like his idea, with everything completely seperate.
 

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I was considering:

I. Customized Content
A. PSAs​
B. Character Specific Texture Hacks​
a. All characters?​
b. Shops where we can browse textures​
C. Custom Music​
a. By Genre​
b. Or by Game/Artist​
D. Stage Hacks​
a. Brawl+ competitive stages in development
(frees the actual Brawl+ stages for the actual stages and discussion)​
b. Stage Builds (Such as WeeGee and Captain Falcon, the stages)​
Is each subdivision supposed to be another subforum? That's really excessive. We don't have remotely that much content.
 

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I think a "custom character projects" subforums would be enough O.o
 

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I think a "custom character projects" subforums would be enough O.o
I agree with this and fully endorse a new "Custom Characters" subforum. I don't know that it would even necessitate more moderators; it's really just taking all these project threads and putting them in a more organized container.
 

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I was considering:

I. Customized Content
A. PSAs​
B. Character Specific Texture Hacks​
a. All characters?​
b. Shops where we can browse textures​
C. Custom Music​
a. By Genre​
b. Or by Game/Artist​
D. Stage Hacks​
a. Brawl+ competitive stages in development
(frees the actual Brawl+ stages for the actual stages and discussion)​
b. Stage Builds (Such as WeeGee and Captain Falcon, the stages)​
Like the idea but way too organized but i do think showcase threads would be good though just because it's easier to look for textures than scan a thread or go to multiple sites for textures
As for the music subforum don't think it's needed music hacking is big but not that big
stage hacking i think that's a good idea
as for the PSAs yeah that definitely needed
But overall i think that's a good idea

I think a "custom character projects" subforums would be enough O.o
I agree on this as well because maybe just adding this might clear alot of the clutter here as well
 

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The Customized Content contain four separated subforums in the followings:
-native
-foreign
-advanced
-[name]

The wording "foreign" means that it has character/stage from non-nintendo games meanwhile "native" means nintendo games.

The wording "advanced" mean that something was heavily built by the creator or that doesn't exist anywhere in the game.

The fourth one is for projects other than characters and stages such as brawl items, customized menus, etc.*

The project has to be more than 33.3% completed before it can have its own topic about what its creator was working on. Make sure that creator will continue to work until it's 90% completed, some percents left are something they wouldn't wanna work on anymore.

Those subforums don't have to be called that way.

In additional, anymore subforums about anything other than projects would be appreciated.

If you think it's too organized, then what will happened in the future? It could fill the subforum so fast.

edit: A preview of what this would look like:
Smash World Forums
--Super Smash Bros. Brawl
----Brawl is on the MLG 2010 Pro Circuit (aka General Brawl Discussion)
------Smash Workshop General
--------Customized Content
+FAQ
+etc..
----------native
+Dr. Mario
+Sector Z
+Mewtwo
+Hyrule 64
+Roy
----------foreign
+Goku
+Akatsuki's Hideout
+Klonoa
+Megaman Volnutt
----------advanced
+Pikaman
+Beast Ganon
+etc..
----------[name]
+CSS
+New Pokemon in Poke Ball
+New character in Assistant Trophy
+Music
+Items
 

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The only problem is, right now, we only need 1 single new subforum for the model project threads... mostly because that's where the demand is right now. We don't know what's going to come in the future. however, we don't need forums for individual things that can be contained in threads, such as the two main music threads we have now -- the custom music hub and the BRSTM factory, or the texture and stage threads in both Code Sets and CC right now.

The original plan for the Workshop forums was to have two separate forums for Customized Content: "Textures and Stages," and "Character PSAs". I suggested that because we already had threads in place (and working) that our main focus was actually project threads for character PSA's, and textures & stages wouldn't need 2 forums if it's organized in a thread, so that's why we have a singular forum now.

Now, for the plan. The more I think it over, the more that a user group is not really needed if we wanted to admit people into it. We already have a Workshop-centric group (the Workshop Back Room aka WBR), and I'm not sure JV wants to add a second group just for the Workshop. Yeroc even says if the project gets a lot of support, he might admit people into the WBR and have access to a lot of data and PSA work to further their work.

Now as for the subforum, as shanus pointed out to me in the IRC; active topics will remain in the front of the page, abandoned ones will fall back, if people bump them I can infract them for spam and lock the topic, and me & the "third mod" would set a criteria for posting a new topic. We wouldn't have hype threads or people starting it after they figure out how to import it...you'd have to show real progress based on what we set, or it gets a lock.

I've got a meeting to get to later today, so tonight if nobody's got any objections, I'll PM JV about the subforum.
 

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Is this happening? :O

If so I can't wait. Also agreed on another usergroup being unnecessary. It'll be entirely possible to easily moderate the board alone. Setup some rules, make a good archive sticky, and you're good to go.

Most of the organization would come from a good archive. Highlight projects that are completed and of high quality, and not those that are incomplete or not of great quality. Make sure it gets kept up-to-date and you're good to go.

Then there can be more room for everything else to breathe in Customized Content :D
 

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Alright... I don't want to bother JV (can't seem to catch him) and I PM'd CK about the new need for a subforum, but he may be busy as well since I didn't hear back from him on the matter. I have a new proposal to put on the table if everyone likes it... it seems the Workshop General is actually lacking activity and instead of getting a new subforum, we can already use what we already have. So let's stick with Customized Content and its description: "Character PSA, Textures, and Stage Talk". That's strictly it.

With that I propose:
- BRSTM Factory/Custom Music hub moved back to "Workshop General"
- Two character submission topics to stay
- Texture howto/help will stay
- All of the texture threads will stay
- Stage .H.A.C.K. thread will be stickied
- Following threads to be moved to "Workshop General":
--- Menu and CSS Background Texture
--- MDL0 files from Non-Brawl games
--- Affinity's SD card pack (sorry affinity! D: )
--- Fool's Gil thread
--- PSA archive & hitbubbles
--- Brawl Stage Studio support thread (wait... I moved this here? O_o)
- Following threads to be moved to "Tutorials, FAQs & Help":
--- Bone Counts/Minimum Bone Requirements

(There may be more threads I missed, but you get my point.)

In addition, I don't want to be the person doing this, but another suggestion I may have is combining the two PSA threads we have now into one... like, the first post would be "Post #2 is regular PSA's, Post #3 is Brawl model PSA's, Post #4 is Non-Brawl model PSA's, etc", with posts 2, 3 and 4 doing what's described; similar to how the two texture threads were combined into one.

You guys may want to take a cue from Stoney's suggestion on merging projects into a single thread... Guy (ThatGuyWhoSpamsDiddyDashAttac-- er-- ThatGuyYouMightKnow) has already done a proactive step in doing this with his PokeHub which consists of only pokemon models being used.

If anyone has any objections, let me know! [edit: whoops, didn't mean to lock it lol]
 

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I'm a little unclear on the end of your post. Are the merged project threads going to be mandatory or is that just a personal suggestion? Also, what about stricter rules regarding who can start a topic that were discussed. Have those been written? When can we expect them enforced?

Also, I wish the MDL0 thread didn't have to move, since that will make it the only thread outside of Customized Content that I follow, but it makes since to move it. Meh.
 

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I'm a little unclear on the end of your post. Are the merged project threads going to be mandatory or is that just a personal suggestion? Also, what about stricter rules regarding who can start a topic that were discussed. Have those been written? When can we expect them enforced?

Also, I wish the MDL0 thread didn't have to move, since that will make it the only thread outside of Customized Content that I follow, but it makes since to move it. Meh.
Mandatory, though I'm waiting on volunteers to help with the thread itself. My aim is to get a central index of everything PSA in one thread so it's easier to navigate in (like I said) and to reduce sticky clutter at the same time... sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

I've got most of the rules written, though I might need to re-write it to make it a bit clearer. I'll try to have it up by tonight but at the latest tomorrow.
 

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Alright... I don't want to bother JV (can't seem to catch him) and I PM'd CK about the new need for a subforum, but he may be busy as well since I didn't hear back from him on the matter. I have a new proposal to put on the table if everyone likes it... it seems the Workshop General is actually lacking activity and instead of getting a new subforum, we can already use what we already have. So let's stick with Customized Content and its description: "Character PSA, Textures, and Stage Talk". That's strictly it.

With that I propose:
- BRSTM Factory/Custom Music hub moved back to "Workshop General"
- Two character submission topics to stay
- Texture howto/help will stay
- All of the texture threads will stay
- Stage .H.A.C.K. thread will be stickied
- Following threads to be moved to "Workshop General":
--- Menu and CSS Background Texture
--- MDL0 files from Non-Brawl games
--- Affinity's SD card pack (sorry affinity! D: )
--- Fool's Gil thread
--- PSA archive & hitbubbles
--- Brawl Stage Studio support thread (wait... I moved this here? O_o)
- Following threads to be moved to "Tutorials, FAQs & Help":
--- Bone Counts/Minimum Bone Requirements

(There may be more threads I missed, but you get my point.)

In addition, I don't want to be the person doing this, but another suggestion I may have is combining the two PSA threads we have now into one... like, the first post would be "Post #2 is regular PSA's, Post #3 is Brawl model PSA's, Post #4 is Non-Brawl model PSA's, etc", with posts 2, 3 and 4 doing what's described; similar to how the two texture threads were combined into one.

You guys may want to take a cue from Stoney's suggestion on merging projects into a single thread... Guy (ThatGuyWhoSpamsDiddyDashAttac-- er-- ThatGuyYouMightKnow) has already done a proactive step in doing this with his PokeHub which consists of only pokemon models being used.

If anyone has any objections, let me know! [edit: whoops, didn't mean to lock it lol]
It occurred to me today that you might want to change the name of the forum. "Customized Content" is too broad and won't make much sense if several threads centered around that subject are placed in a different forum. I suggest "Custom Characters/Stages". It's not glamorous, but it gets the job done.

Textures are an issue. In the end, Menu and CSS background textures are still custom textures and you yourself just said this subforum was made for those. That thread should probably stay as a sticky if you decide not to change the subforum name. If you do change it to Custom Characters/Stages, well, that name doesn't include menu screens, so they'd be moved over to Workshop General.

The Pokehub is looking fantastic and I am very glad it exists, both because of the ridiculous number of the critters that exist and because every single person here seems to have a personal favorite Pokemon or two or five that they want to see in Brawl. Hubs like that one are pretty much exactly what I had in mind when I first created this thread...



PROS
Workshop General is indeed lacking life lately; BrawlBox gets high traffic sometimes and draws attention to that subforum, but only when Kryal announces or releases an update, which hasn't happened for a while. If we can't get a new subforum, then rearranging threads in the subforums we currently have is probably our best choice. This will reduce the ludicrously disproportionate level of activity that Customized Content gets and help spread it out to the rest of the Workshop, giving everywhere else a much-needed activity boost and letting this place rest a bit easier.

CONS
The Workshop General subforum will likely become disorganized with random threads about model importing and stages littering it; it would no longer strictly be a depository for Brawl-hacking programs like it is now. There will be a lot of confusion over where new threads that are related to characters/stages but not PSAs will go. The Customized Content subforum will have to deal with a ton of stickies since any topic not related to PSAs would easily become lost in the jungle of project threads. (Scratch that, I just re-read the above post. Two threads for everything PSA-project-related, with additional hub threads for popular games as necessary, will seriously reduce clutter around here.) It will be harder for newbies to get all of the information they might need since it will be more spread out than it is right now. People following Customized Content will have to check multiple forums for updates on all the stuff they're interested in.

And of course, Bionic Sonic's plan doesn't address the regulations that would need to be put into place to limit the huge number of abandoned or low-content PSA project threads. I liked the rules being tossed around before regarding a new usergroup, we could still give that a shot. (It looks like he's working on that too.)
 

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You guys may want to take a cue from Stoney's suggestion on merging projects into a single thread... Guy (ThatGuyWhoSpamsDiddyDashAttac-- er-- ThatGuyYouMightKnow) has already done a proactive step in doing this with his PokeHub which consists of only pokemon models being used.
D:
No!

EDIT: You're basically reinstating why we split up in the first place. Workshop General was too imbalanced and the threads were seemingly at random. If anything, you'd want to move the codesets in there and sticky their main threads like I suggested before, and have the first post of said threads link to the rest of them.
 

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Guys, I'm also open to any suggestions to rules or criteria, e.g. some criteria for posting a new one, maintaining it, etc. I don't want to rush in here imposing it then everyone yells at me for forgetting something or messing up stuff. :laugh:

@Stoney: Like I said before, that was actually going to be the name of this subforum when the plan was brought to JV, but (I think) it was renamed for legal reasons... :dizzy:
 

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Mandatory, though I'm waiting on volunteers to help with the thread itself. My aim is to get a central index of everything PSA in one thread so it's easier to navigate in (like I said) and to reduce sticky clutter at the same time... sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

I've got most of the rules written, though I might need to re-write it to make it a bit clearer. I'll try to have it up by tonight but at the latest tomorrow.
Just to be clear (since it sounds to me like you could be misunderstanding, but I'm not sure), when I said "the last part" (or however I phrased it), I was talking about when you mentioned people taking on Stoney's idea and going with hub threads like the Pokemon one. I can understand wanting hub threads in some cases with the current rules, but I thought it was agreed by just about everyone that hub threads were not desirable and that with the new rules that were previously discussed, they wouldn't be necessary. Won't the new rules have one or two threads for all early on projects, then far-along projects will be given the opportunity to make their own thread? It doesn't make sense to just move from one hub thread to another, especially if they're at the point where they deserve the sort of attention that distinguishes them from the other projects.
 

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I don't really think one project (that term is getting VERY annoying), model, PSA or whatever, no matter how much work was done on it, really NEEDS an entire thread just for itself. We can manage one thread for one hub per game and be just fine that way. It's not like IRC, where if you miss a post or two it's gone and you can't read it later, and you can't quote things without having it skipped over entirely.

If discussion of all, say, Sonic characters, were in one thread, I'm sure we'd be able to keep up with the conversation as long as the viewer is able to actually read a post.

We also already had a much more organized way of having a character shown off, which is linking to OP posts inside threads (something I need to do), I.E. the character submission topic. To help, pictures, GIFs, colors, etc catch the eye of wandering downloaders who really just don't gaf about reading. :p
 

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I don't really think one project (that term is getting VERY annoying), model, PSA or whatever, no matter how much work was done on it, really NEEDS an entire thread just for itself. We can manage one thread for one hub per game and be just fine that way. It's not like IRC, where if you miss a post or two it's gone and you can't read it later, and you can't quote things without having it skipped over entirely.

If discussion of all, say, Sonic characters, were in one thread, I'm sure we'd be able to keep up with the conversation as long as the viewer is able to actually read a post.

We also already had a much more organized way of having a character shown off, which is linking to OP posts inside threads (something I need to do), I.E. the character submission topic. To help, pictures, GIFs, colors, etc catch the eye of wandering downloaders who really just don't gaf about reading. :p
Counterpoints to these arguments were already presented with the initial discussion of how to organize a new subforum, so I won't reiterate them, but suffice it to say that almost everyone was opposed to this.
 

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Sorry for the late response... still no finalized rule set yet =/ I'm hoping, if there are still no objections, everything is going to be done Saturday at midnight EST.

@Fen: No, the hub was voluntary and I wanted to make a suggestion. It's up to the poster whether or not he actually wants to make a hub and other members can sign on to it, but if they wanted to make a new thread, that's also fine by me. I know everyone's on different sides of the issue but if we can implement the new system and have it working, then the hub threads will remain voluntary & just an idea/recommendation. I have a thread in the works for up-and-coming project threads, but I'm still in the process of coming up with good requirements.

@TSON: Might want to explain that further. Code sets?
 

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Take the codesets threads, being the most lively, but most condensed forum, and put all of the threads into the general workshop area, stickied.
 

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I just want to get this point across: The Fully New Character Archive was not meant to only be an archive, it was also meant as a universal project thread for custom models and PSAs, no matter what game they're from. Ever since the Customized Content sub forum was made, people have used it to their advantage and made a thread for all of their projects, which has made a huge clutter. If the FNCA could go back to being a universal project thread instead of a new thread being made for every single project, then it would greatly reduce clutter. Just a suggestion, but one that people should keep in mind.
 
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