A King's Quest For Respect: The Bowser Matchup Thread

[MorphedChaos]

Just NAir him back, you'll always beat him out of it, since his hurtbox is his hitbox, but your Nair has a smaller hurtbox then its hitbox.

Wario kinda owns Olimar hard, Grab you, toss you off, keep pressure on, and gimp you and you can't grab a good wario very easily.

I'd say its 40:60, 50:50 on Norfar, that stage just isn't made for Olimar, sure he can recover, but you'll launch him so bad he wont be able to.

(Oh yeah, and Olimar is as light as Kirby I think, so hes pretty light.)

As for Lucario, I have no trouble gimping you as Wario, bowser might be another story, but a grounded bowser bomb to ledge can do some serious damage.

 

[Blistering Speed]

What's with the Wario fetish? This isn't the Wario Matchup Discussion, we don't give a ****.

 

[Fino]

I'd say maybe 65-35

Don't get grabbed =O


~Fino

 

[Dyyne]

I'd say its 40:60, 50:50 on Norfar, that stage just isn't made for Olimar, sure he can recover, but you'll launch him so bad he wont be able to.

Sorry what? Norfair is one of oli's best level, if not the best after luigi's, which is usually banned.

 

[B!squick]

Indeed, I was wondering the same thing, Blistering, lol.

As for the match up, it's definately in Oli's favor, Norfar aside. All those disjointed hit boxes. T_T Going on what I've seen in vids and know about them... I don't know now that I think about it. Knowing the match up and stage selection would be big deal. :/ Does Bowser have ANY clear cut match up aside from DeDeDe? lol

Well, on a neutral stage with Olimar keeping his attacks spaced well enough and out of the Koopa King's grab range would make it about 60/40? Otherwise, on Norfar, or if Olimar gets grabbed too much, or gets baitted in making too many mistakes, it'd be alot closer.

So I'll say 60/40 with Olimar to win... most of the time.

EDIT: Nevermind the stuff about Norfar. Seems we'er in a love triangle.

 

[B!squick]

Sorry what? Norfair is one of oli's best level, if not the best after luigi's, which is usually banned.

Oh ho? Olimar favors Norfar as well? Interesting... forget what I said about it in my last post then. >.>

Well, now I really want to see that match. Bowser vs Olimar on Norfar. WHO WOULD SURVIVZERZ?!?!

 

[MorphedChaos]

I dunno about Norfar, I've got a local bowser who destroys Olimars on Norfar, but maybe thats just me...

I don't think they know the stage maybe.

 

[Bowser King]

I'd say maybe 65-35

Don't get grabbed =O


~Fino

It's not THAT bad.

In a worst case scenerio, it's 60-40. I could see it being 55-45.

Grabs and oli's pikmen are annoying >_<

-Bowser King

 

[Maniclysane]

I dunno about Norfar, I've got a local bowser who destroys Olimars on Norfar, but maybe thats just me...

I don't think they know the stage maybe.

Who's the Olimar? And lol, Wario doesn't own Olimar hard. At all.

 

[asob4]

oli out ranges bowser in like every way
oli doesn't even need to be offensive, he can camp the whole time then get a quick usmash kill
pivot grab destroys bowser, as do grab combos to 60+

if oli can out space IC's and not get grabbed, i'm sure as hell he won't get grabbed by bowser, who has significantly less options for getting in close

65-35 no way it is 60-40

 

[Liquid Gen]

oli out ranges bowser in like every way
oli doesn't even need to be offensive, he can camp the whole time then get a quick usmash kill
pivot grab destroys bowser, as do grab combos to 60+

if oli can out space IC's and not get grabbed, i'm sure as hell he won't get grabbed by bowser, who has significantly less options for getting in close

65-35 no way it is 60-40

I love this guy.

Oli can't camp Bowser btw.

 

[asob4]

you up B, we punish

plain and simple

 

[Liquid Gen]

Good luck punishing it.

It isn't exactly that long.

 

[asob4]

good luck not getting camped

 

[Liquid Gen]

^ I believe I just said you can't camp him. Lol. gg.

 

[asob4]

we camp, you up b, we grab

gg

 

[Liquid Gen]

Try it with dead pikmen.

Chances are you'll try to spam camp us, if you do then we;ll up b and own them all.

If you try to bait us with one we wont up b, instead we'll intercept you.

Though it may seem otherwise we dont Up B at every little thing.

 

[asob4]

cause we can't pluck pikmin in a fraction of a second right?
and we throw ALL six at once right?

we throw two or three, you up b, and we punish

no lag after SH toss
if you try to approach, single toss -> fsmash/fair to space and continue to camp

 

[NearZzz]

cause we can't pluck pikmin in a fraction of a second right?
and we throw ALL six at once right?

we throw two or three, you up b, and we punish

no lag after SH toss
if you try to approach, single toss -> fsmash/fair to space and continue to camp

You don't know what your talking about, at all.

 

[asob4]

and you do?

 

[DanGR]

Lol, Skank knows what he's talking about. Bowser has to approach. There's no denying it.

 

[Flayl]

See the problem is that Skank never faced a Bowser that Up-B's against projectiles, so he doesn't know that Up-B's animation cancels if you hit the projectile in the first 5 frames.

Not saying that Bowser doesn't have to approach, obviously he does, but Skank does indeed not know what he's talking about.

 

[asob4]

pikmin are not projectiles like a lazer or missle, they're mini charatcers with hitboxes and a set percent

it would just kill them and keep going, unless it was a purple.

plus, you're using it AFTER they're latched, not before

 

[Flayl]

plus, you're using it AFTER they're latched, not before

Huh?

Anyways brb going to test if pikmin are somehow an exception for fortress.

 

[asob4]

does fortress stop when you hit a character?
no
so it wouldn't stop for a pikmin, which is basically a character

let me know after the testing

 

[Flayl]

It stops with purple pikmin but not the others, at least from what I could do with 1 hand with 1 controller each.

Also Bowser's best response to latched on pikmin is Jab, not fortress.

edit: Unless you can fortress to a ledge.

 

[Bowser King]

cause we can't pluck pikmin in a fraction of a second right?
and we throw ALL six at once right?

we throw two or three, you up b, and we punish

no lag after SH toss
if you try to approach, single toss -> fsmash/fair to space and continue to camp

Depending on the stage, pikmens camping abilities go down. Seriously, pikmin don't have the reach of a regular projectile. Sure, you can space your self and camp that way but chances are the bowser players going to up b.

lol

Seriously, before you talk about bowser. Learn Bowser.

1. Were not idiots who use ^b as a top and continuously move forward when are opponents standing there to punish us.

2. IIRC, Pikmin are considered a projectile. In which case bowser DOES stop. We will find out after Flayl's testing.

-Bowser King

 

[asob4]

he just tested, to the best of his ability, and bowser does not stop

pikmin have enough reach

i just know that upB is bowsers best option for removing latched pikmin

you have to move forward because we have no need to approach

 

[Flayl]

Jab is Bowser's best option for removing latched pikmin.

 

[MrEh]

Hoo hoo, all the drama in here.

Bowser actually has a 70-30 advantage on Olimar


Jokes aside though, I think it's 40-60.

 

[asob4]

that olimar was the biggest fail i've ever seen

there's few good olimar's

jab will get fsmash/faired under most circumstances

 

[Bowser King]

he just tested, to the best of his ability, and bowser does not stop

pikmin have enough reach

i just know that upB is bowsers best option for removing latched pikmin

you have to move forward because we have no need to approach

No. Pikmin aren't amazing when it comes to reach. You throw pikmin, we jab or ^b (for purple).

As Flayl said, we would jab.

Your mistaking what I mean when I say move forward. We don't move forward to full reach.
We move forward but pull back a bit. You could do something similar to how melee's 6b was used but with less pullback. Yes, we are moving foraward, but we move at a steady speed.

-Bowser King

 

[asob4]

but we outrange you... by tons....

we wouldn't let you get close
understand???

 

[Flayl]

that olimar was the biggest fail i've ever seen

there's few good olimar's

jab will get fsmash/faired under most circumstances

Look, we're not idiots. If jabbing means you get a free Fsmash, we're not going to jab, we'll just go after you instead or fortress to the ledge.

 

[asob4]

if you don't jab, then we toss
if you come after us you get grabbed

it's lose-lose

 

[MrEh]

that olimar was the biggest fail i've ever seen

That was a joke.


Bowser will have to approach in this fight, and infinite jumping can help. A lot.

 

[asob4]

Bowser will have to approach in this fight, and infinite jumping can help. A lot.

usmash much?

 

[MrEh]

usmash much?

The Klaw has horizontal disjoint. It can beat the Usmash if it's spaced.

 

[Bowser King]

Skank, I seriously like how your posts are so jumpy. From one point your talking about how you'll camp us and force us to approach and then the next post you say that if we try to upb your camped pikmin you'll use a fsmash on us.

If your camping, your likely not in range for a fsmash, if you run up and fsmash you get owned by the tilt. Neither does your fsmash have the range of half on FD and neither does Olimar run at the speed of sound.

-Bowser King

 

[Flayl]

usmash much?

That's not even close to the angle of approach...