MrEh
Smash Hero
Anythign else to add guys? :/
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A King's Quest For Respect: The Bowser Matchup Thread
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B!squick
Smash Master
Whatever MrEh wants, lol.
MrEh
Smash Hero
I'm gonna call it a 45-55. We can always rediscuss it later. But then again, it's Bowser/Ness. No one really cares. lol
kennypu
Smash Journeyman
i care, i got ***** by you in the pools -.-. you too good xD
MrEh
Smash Hero
The Bowser matchup becomes significantly easier once to learn how to play him. Honestly, it's Bowser. He sucks. XD
B!squick
Smash Master
Way to diss your main, lol.
Oh, we're on Samus already? ZAir's really the only thing Samus has going for her, that's about it, right?
Oh, we're on Samus already? ZAir's really the only thing Samus has going for her, that's about it, right?
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Samus has 2 projectiles, bombs and a ridiculous ZAir. Her NAir (sex kick, *****) has epic priority, but that's pretty much her only move that has priority at all, lol. USmash ***** Bowser, though not as bad as Zelda's.
I think this is the only place where Bowser prefers the air over the ground, since Samus can and will try to **** him with her projectile spamming and rather quick ground moves (DTilt, Jab, USmash).
Try to get in, Jab or FTilt her missiles into pieces, UpB OoS against her Charge Beam and proceed in Grab Release and Klaw shenanigans.
I think this is the only place where Bowser prefers the air over the ground, since Samus can and will try to **** him with her projectile spamming and rather quick ground moves (DTilt, Jab, USmash).
Try to get in, Jab or FTilt her missiles into pieces, UpB OoS against her Charge Beam and proceed in Grab Release and Klaw shenanigans.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Added a new Dedede image because the one that Mmac left us with was lame. lol
I also added a Pit image.
I also added a Pit image.
sniperworm
Smash Ace
The key to beating him is to Dtaunt OoS. That'll prompt him to break his own shield and you can then follow up with anything you want.
MrEh
Smash Hero
He's right. Dtaunt OoS ***** Bowser.
B!squick
Smash Master
Have we invited the other Samus players yet? >.>
Alfa
Smash Apprentice
MrEh, are you going to rearrange the matchup picture at the start with the release of the new tier list, or not? Also, will it ever get updated with the matchup ratio's?
MrEh
Smash Hero
I started making a new chart yesterday, since we haven't had a new chart in a looong time.
Mmac
Smash Lord
MrEh
Smash Hero
You're back? ^^
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
It's GUTSMAN!!Dramatic Return Entrance!
If you still want me to, I can update it, soon.
Dun dunnnnnn!
B!squick
Smash Master
Hmm... Samus... 60:40 advantage us? I don't know.
Mmac
Smash Lord
Chart Updated.
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
So... 40-60 Samus' advantage? Sonic next? Or are we finally gonna get back to discussing Olimar?
Also, there is a "is Sonic better than *character*" thread on the Sonic boards and they are discussing Bowser. Link to thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=226950
Also, there is a "is Sonic better than *character*" thread on the Sonic boards and they are discussing Bowser. Link to thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=226950
MrEh
Smash Hero
I think Samus is 45-55. But that's just me. Eh.
B!squick
Smash Master
I really don't see Samus as a threat unless it's Xyro.
Hello, although this is my first post I'm not new to the smash community and I've actually been reading these forums a lot. I just wanted to give my opinion about this match-up because I've been playing both characters for about one year now 
To me it clearly goes for Samus' advantage, mainly because of her range game which has the ability to quickly overwhelm big targets like Bowser. Multiple z-air are really annoying and can lead him to make stupid errors out of "despair" (like predictable Bowser bombs) which makes me think there's also a "psychological" advantage for her. I've fought one of the best Samus player in my country and it took me a while to understand how to fight a good Samus with Bowser. It is obvious that you need to give Samus as little space as possible and that's what make it difficult: as often said, Bowser is a defensive character but in this match-up he is clearly forced to go forward. Shieldashing and SH-Airdodge tend to be very useful in order to get close to her and use jab and f-tilt. I'm not saying Samus destroys Bowser, because when he has understood how to fight her, it becomes much less complicated. It just requires a lot of patience.
To me it's 55-45 for Samus
I've uploaded a video of a wifi match, I'm the Samus, and it was our first match. The Bowser in it isn't a great player, he doesn't CG and seems to have little experience fighting Samus but it may show some of my points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRxHkx9TVbM
If you feel I'm wrong, don't take my post into consideration I wouldn't mind at all ^^
Sorry for the possible English mistakes I've made.
To me it clearly goes for Samus' advantage, mainly because of her range game which has the ability to quickly overwhelm big targets like Bowser. Multiple z-air are really annoying and can lead him to make stupid errors out of "despair" (like predictable Bowser bombs) which makes me think there's also a "psychological" advantage for her. I've fought one of the best Samus player in my country and it took me a while to understand how to fight a good Samus with Bowser. It is obvious that you need to give Samus as little space as possible and that's what make it difficult: as often said, Bowser is a defensive character but in this match-up he is clearly forced to go forward. Shieldashing and SH-Airdodge tend to be very useful in order to get close to her and use jab and f-tilt. I'm not saying Samus destroys Bowser, because when he has understood how to fight her, it becomes much less complicated. It just requires a lot of patience.
To me it's 55-45 for Samus
I've uploaded a video of a wifi match, I'm the Samus, and it was our first match. The Bowser in it isn't a great player, he doesn't CG and seems to have little experience fighting Samus but it may show some of my points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRxHkx9TVbM
If you feel I'm wrong, don't take my post into consideration I wouldn't mind at all ^^
Sorry for the possible English mistakes I've made.
B!squick
Smash Master
Samus certainly has the range advantage, but a huge lack in power, so it's pretty even. Admittedly it's probably in Samus' favor though simply because she can dink from further away.
Also, this link needs to be in the OP and needs to be very noticable:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236705
Also, this link needs to be in the OP and needs to be very noticable:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236705
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Samus has the advanatge on bowser 60-40 and im not lying.
Bowser is too **** huge and this makes him get hit by EVRERY projectile especially if amus sends thm RIGHT be hind each other(this prevents powershielding both). Zair Shield poke sbowsers FAT body and samus's FALLING U-AIR to UP+B pokes through shields 90% of the time and its a free 11-16% damage on bowser.
Bowser is too **** huge and this makes him get hit by EVRERY projectile especially if amus sends thm RIGHT be hind each other(this prevents powershielding both). Zair Shield poke sbowsers FAT body and samus's FALLING U-AIR to UP+B pokes through shields 90% of the time and its a free 11-16% damage on bowser.
ruin`
Smash Journeyman
remove plz
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
You wouldn't need to power shield. You could, you know, just shield. Unless Samus can send 3 projectiles I don't think that it's that big a deal. Same goes for zair, just shield most of them (not saying it's not a factor it's just it's not that hard to get around).
As for falling u-air, would fortress work? I'm not sure but I think it should...
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Bowser King
B!squick
Smash Master
Probably. Especially if you angle the shield up. And that puts Samus dangerously close to Bowser, wouldn't it?As for falling u-air, would fortress work? I'm not sure but I think it should...
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MrEh
Smash Hero
Meet Fortress OoS.
B!squick
Smash Master
I'd have to take away points from Xyro's argument for the falling UAir to UpB thing. Samus is really just Link only somewhat better. I'm thinking either 50/50 or 55/45 not in our favor... maybe.
Also, it's good to see that we're almost done. :D Though it'd be nice if more people would actually discuss things, lol.
Also, it's good to see that we're almost done. :D Though it'd be nice if more people would actually discuss things, lol.
I think falling up air to U-smash (which really hurts bowser) tends to work even better, but to me it's not a reliable argument, with experience, Bowser will see it coming and can either completely shield it to punish Samus's lag or use fortress (which doesn't always work in that case)
The Brown Scourge
Smash Journeyman
Samus'dtilt will **** bowser every time. My bowser still has nightmares from his last bout with a samus mainer
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
And...none of our moves clash with Samus' Zairs right? :L
But I'm pretty sure we can jab or tilt out missles...and don't we outrange Samus physically, even though I doubt you'd see that much of it considering we have fortress anyway, lol
In my opinion it's 45:55 Samus, the only thing I feel like she has on us is the annoying projectiles. She lacks the killing power that is necessary to battle up against bowser she does have good projectiles but we have the infamous shield :D that probably won't work everytime. I think the only problem for us is trying to find a way into her...she could keep us out with massive projectile and zair abuse i think.
But I'm pretty sure we can jab or tilt out missles...and don't we outrange Samus physically, even though I doubt you'd see that much of it considering we have fortress anyway, lol
In my opinion it's 45:55 Samus, the only thing I feel like she has on us is the annoying projectiles. She lacks the killing power that is necessary to battle up against bowser she does have good projectiles but we have the infamous shield :D that probably won't work everytime. I think the only problem for us is trying to find a way into her...she could keep us out with massive projectile and zair abuse i think.
JOE!
Smash Hero
I think Zair is all she really has on us...
Fortress invince > charge shot (or just spot dodge)
Tilts/jabs > missles
Our Killing Potential > Samus'
Zair > most of our approaches....
Fortress invince > charge shot (or just spot dodge)
Tilts/jabs > missles
Our Killing Potential > Samus'
Zair > most of our approaches....
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
So like, should we move on to the next character or something? (like, totally)
Also the Dedede boards are finally discussing Bowser I think, but it might not be "official" yet
Also the Dedede boards are finally discussing Bowser I think, but it might not be "official" yet
B!squick
Smash Master
What's there to discuss though? The only thing you need to tell them is what they already know.
Wait. Hold L. Press A. Remove stock. Rinse and repeat 2 times for best results.
Wait. Hold L. Press A. Remove stock. Rinse and repeat 2 times for best results.
JOE!
Smash Hero
hey, would you like me to update the match-up chart pic?