"A Bad Smash Day..."- Conker for Ultimate!

[Mr. Stevenson]

On another note, I made this:

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Great job!!! That image looks really appealing! I sincerely hope that this teaches a lesson to at least some folks who think Conker is "unfitting" or "too mature" or that "Rash and Joanna Dark make more sense"!
Just a question, did you make that using Photoshop? If so, can you please tell me what the name of that type or letter is, please?

Aah! I remember seeing Super Mario Bros. Z around YouTube back in the day, that was so many years ago. I completely forgot that series existed, but now I remember so many amazing things about it. The animation was definitely top notch!

Yeah, it trully was a masterpiece! The animation, the humor, the cartoon action sequences were beyond fantastic! It really felt like it was made by Nintendo itself (which was what I thought at first)! It's just a shame that the creator of the series, Alvin Earthbound left it on a cliffhanger and never planned to finish it!

No problem. 4th party content in Smash is definitely not something you hear everyday, and I'm glad it got to be there in Melee!

That's right! It trully is amazingly surreal! Now that I think about it, it's kind of odd that Popeye didn't get a trophy in SSB too, considering the fact that Nintendo created a Popeye game back in the early days of the NES, and that Popeye is the main reason why and exist!

Now I gotta ask which one of these two 4th party characters do you think is more fitting and deserving to be added to Smash (considering their history with Nintendo):
-Popeye the Sailor man
-James Bond a.k.a. 007

Also is it just me or does the thread not want to reach the 9th page? Seriously I never even thought that one page could have this many replies

EDIT: Oh, nevermind, should have said that sooner lol

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That's right! It trully is amazingly surreal! Now that I think about it, it's kind of odd that Popeye didn't get a trophy in SSB too, considering the fact that Nintendo created a Popeye game back in the early days of the NES, and that Popeye is the main reason why and exist!

Now I gotta ask which one of these two 4th party characters do you think is more fitting and deserving to be added to Smash (considering their history with Nintendo):
-Popeye the Sailor man
-James Bond a.k.a. 007

Also is it just me or does the thread not want to reach the 9th page? Seriously I never even thought that one page could have this many replies

Not sure if it truly counts, seeing as they had to deny where the item came from for complicated legal reasons, and it eventually got altered anyway.

Anyway, Popeye fits the most, absolutely. All that's needed is for him to enter public domain, an advantage that Bond doesn't have (since actor likenesses complicate everything). Besides, it would make Fatmanonice really happy.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

Not sure if it truly counts, seeing as they had to deny where the item came from for complicated legal reasons, and it eventually got altered anyway.

Anyway, Popeye fits the most, absolutely. All that's needed is for him to enter public domain, an advantage that Bond doesn't have (since actor likenesses complicate everything). Besides, it would make Fatmanonice Fatmanonice really happy.

Close enough!

I agree, I'd go as far as saying that he is the only 4th party character that trully deserves and fits in Smash Brothers! Although I wouldn't be too in favor of that happening, cuz I don't wanna see Goku fanboys getting their hopes up! Anyways, I don't think it would be necessary for him to get into public domain, cuz since times have changed, I can see Paramount wanting their big icon to get revived, and make an agreement with Nintendo!

And I assume that the guy you mentioned made a Popeye support thread, no?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Close enough!

I agree, I'd go as far as saying that he is the only 4th party character that trully deserves and fits in Smash Brothers! Although I wouldn't be too in favor of that happening, cuz I don't wanna see Goku fanboys getting their hopes up! Anyways, I don't think it would be necessary for him to get into public domain, cuz since times have changed, I can see Paramount wanting their big icon to get revived, and make an agreement with Nintendo!

And I assume that the guy you mentioned made a Popeye support thread, no?

Nah, he didn't do any. Every time Popeye got a support thread for past Smash games, they were laughed off and/or locked anyway.

Speaking of movie studios, I hope that new movie deal by Sony eventually gets off the ground, because I do want to see Tom Kenny's take on the sailor.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Great job!!! That image looks really appealing! I sincerely hope that this teaches a lesson to at least some folks who think Conker is "unfitting" or "too mature" or that "Rash and Joanna Dark make more sense"!
Just a question, did you make that using Photoshop? If so, can you please tell me what the name of that type or letter is, please?



Yeah, it trully was a masterpiece! The animation, the humor, the cartoon action sequences were beyond fantastic! It really felt like it was made by Nintendo itself (which was what I thought at first)! It's just a shame that the creator of the series, Alvin Earthbound left it on a cliffhanger and never planned to finish it!



That's right! It trully is amazingly surreal! Now that I think about it, it's kind of odd that Popeye didn't get a trophy in SSB too, considering the fact that Nintendo created a Popeye game back in the early days of the NES, and that Popeye is the main reason why and exist!

Now I gotta ask which one of these two 4th party characters do you think is more fitting and deserving to be added to Smash (considering their history with Nintendo):
-Popeye the Sailor man
-James Bond a.k.a. 007

Also is it just me or does the thread not want to reach the 9th page? Seriously I never even thought that one page could have this many replies

EDIT: Oh, nevermind, should have said that sooner lol

I used paint.net to make that picture, and the font was Franklin Gothic Medium.

I'd love to see Popeye get some kind of recognition in Smash. I can understand why adding any 4th party representation would be rights nightmare, but I don't think Popeye getting a spirit would "open up the floodgates" or anything like that. He practically kicked off the Mario series, one of the most iconic video game franchises in history, so him getting a little recognition wouldn't be a bad thing in my eyes. And to answer your question, I'd say Popeye is definitely more fitting and deserving than James Bond.

Speaking of movie studios, I hope that new movie deal by Sony eventually gets off the ground, because I do want to see Tom Kenny's take on the sailor.

Me too. At least we got a taste of that, though, with his role as Patchy the Pirate lol.

There's an interesting new quote I came across from one of the creators of Cuphead, Jared Moldenhauer. He said that:

"It was something to do with Nintendo and Microsoft obviously working things out, finding friendly middle ground and the general sense was that they wanted more people exploring and playing games. So like, the more people who enjoy an indie game is more important than exclusivity."
https://mynintendonews.com/2019/03/...oming-to-the-switch-its-a-surprise-to-us-too/

While this doesn't tell us exactly what went on behind closed doors between the two companies, this quote proves that Nintendo and Microsoft want to work together to make gaming more inclusive. It was said that more Microsoft games are expected to make their way to the Switch, and this makes me very hopeful that Rare Replay will arrive. That game just seems like the perfect fit. Everything is starting to line up, making it the perfect time to see Rare characters reunite with Nintendo. Microsoft, Nintendo, and Rare have to be aware of the support for Rare titles at this point, especially with Phil Spencers endorsement of Banjo. What's also interesting is that Nintendo games could potentially end up on Xbox at some point in the future.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I recently played and finished Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay; I think it was mostly funny and a great game, though I would've liked to see how Twelve Tales turned out; maybe they could've had Conker in alternate realities so they could have both games...? I dunno, I just would've liked to see the family-friendly Conker outside of DKR and Pocket Tales (neither of which I have played outside of DKR on the DS, but I never finished it).

Poor Conker at the end...at least it's...well, just somewhat less depressing than what Rare apparently had originally planned.

I think Conker would be a cool addition to Smash alongside Banjo-Kazooie, and I don't get why some people say he'd be too mature when we have Bayonetta.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I recently played and finished Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay; I think it was mostly funny and a great game, though I would've liked to see how Twelve Tales turned out; maybe they could've had Conker in alternate realities so they could have both games...? I dunno, I just would've liked to see the family-friendly Conker outside of DKR and Pocket Tales (neither of which I have played outside of DKR on the DS, but I never finished it).

Poor Conker at the end...at least it's...well, just somewhat less depressing than what Rare apparently had originally planned.

I think Conker would be a cool addition to Smash alongside Banjo-Kazooie, and I don't get why some people say he'd be too mature when we have Bayonetta.

Yeah I mean this isn't the 90s anymore, M-rated games are accepted widely. It's ridiculously pointless to hold a grudge for this long , especially if a Rare collab is planned.

That being said, I've recently wondered if the Evil Acorn would have been the main villain of Twelve Tales. It's odd that you don't fight him in Pocket Tales.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I recently played and finished Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay; I think it was mostly funny and a great game, though I would've liked to see how Twelve Tales turned out; maybe they could've had Conker in alternate realities so they could have both games...? I dunno, I just would've liked to see the family-friendly Conker outside of DKR and Pocket Tales (neither of which I have played outside of DKR on the DS, but I never finished it).

Poor Conker at the end...at least it's...well, just somewhat less depressing than what Rare apparently had originally planned.

I think Conker would be a cool addition to Smash alongside Banjo-Kazooie, and I don't get why some people say he'd be too mature when we have Bayonetta.

Seeing family-friendly Conker is also something I would've wanted to see more of a focus on. I'm assuming you saw some of the footage of Twelve Tales, huh? The game looked very expansive and very creative. A few of us here speculated that Twelve Tales could have even been close to completion before becoming Bad Fur Day became a thing, but this was proven wrong thanks to a tweet I received from Chris Seavor.

But yeah, family-friendly Conker had a lot of potential to become something special. But I also really appreciate the M-rated versions. I think a timeline of sorts could solve this issue, like the family-friendly Conker games would be Conker during his youth, while the mature games are adult Conker. I've heard that Diddy Kong Racing and Pocket Tales aren't canon, but I've also heard that they are, so who knows how this would work but if they'd be able to it'd be great in my book.

Yeah I mean this isn't the 90s anymore, M-rated games are accepted widely. It's ridiculously pointless to hold a grudge for this long , especially if a Rare collab is planned.

That being said, I've recently wondered if the Evil Acorn would have been the main villain of Twelve Tales. It's odd that you don't fight him in Pocket Tales.

I think writing off Conker because of Bad Fur Day is a lazy argument. Whenever people say this, they act as if Conker himself cannot function without being M-rated. First off, this is completely false and you can actually see that by playing Bad Fur Day and doing a little research. Second, not every level in the game is the Poo level, there are E-rated worlds that can be used as stages. Windy, Rock Solid, Feral Reserve Bank, The Arena, etc. Also, it's not like Conker's music tracks have some hypnotic subliminal messages in them. I really don't see why people make Conker out to be such a huge issue. He's literally a squirrel who could fit perfectly into Smash just by appearance alone, but apparently he's still an issue. However, a scandalous, sexualized character is a-okay.

I got a question for you guys: If you could create a sequel to Bad Fur Day, what would you want to include in it?

For me, an obvious pick is modern movie references. I've never been a huge pop culture giant or been really into movies, but there's one movie franchise that I feel like would be really cool to see referenced in a Conker game, and that's the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Movies has been around for nearly a hundred years, and the 11 year old MCU is now known as one of the top movie franchises in history since Iron Man hit theaters in 2008. I could see a scene/story where half of Conker's friends are erased by someone, and he has to try and find a way to bring them back.

Not only modern movie references, but I'd also like to see more homages to the classics. I could see a Star Wars reference being hilarious in a Conker game, specifically drawing from the original trilogy (yes I'm biased). Other classics that would be fresh and interesting to see referenced in my opinion are the Karate Kid, Nightmare on Elm Street, Rocky, Jurassic Park, and Planet of the Apes. I feel as though a lot of neat levels or interesting new mechanics could be introduced through these movie references, such as Conker being able to use martial arts moves on a level, while being able to explore a haunted area with a Freddy Krueger-esque glove to defend himself.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

I recently played and finished Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay; I think it was mostly funny and a great game, though I would've liked to see how Twelve Tales turned out; maybe they could've had Conker in alternate realities so they could have both games...? I dunno, I just would've liked to see the family-friendly Conker outside of DKR and Pocket Tales (neither of which I have played outside of DKR on the DS, but I never finished it).

Poor Conker at the end...at least it's...well, just somewhat less depressing than what Rare apparently had originally planned.

I think Conker would be a cool addition to Smash alongside Banjo-Kazooie, and I don't get why some people say he'd be too mature when we have Bayonetta.

We actually discussed alot about Twelve Tails in page 7!
I like to think that the Diddy Kong Racing/Pocket Tales/Twelve Tails events happened during Conker's childhood and Bad Fur Day occured during Conker's early adult days (if i'm not mistaken, it was stated that he is 21 years old)! It could also be somewhat like the Legend of Zelda timeline where BFD Conker is a reeincarnation of TT Conker, that would explain Berri's redesign (but that's probably not the case tho)!

Yeah, even many years later and I still feel betrayed by that ending! I still can't believe how twisted they initially thought of doing it!
And I still can't help but wonder if the cancelled sequel was going to have a happier ending!

Conker and Banjo are undoubtedly must haves for Smash Brothers Ultimate, only then it will be safe to say that Everyone is Here! And I thought that the argument that "Conker is too mature" died by the moment we got Snake in Brawl, guess not apparently.

That being said, I've recently wondered if the Evil Acorn would have been the main villain of Twelve Tales. It's odd that you don't fight him in Pocket Tales.

The main villain of Twelve Tales was going to be some sort of evil wizard called Hoodlums! Kind of wonder why they didn't just put the Evil Acorn.

Seeing family-friendly Conker is also something I would've wanted to see more of a focus on. I'm assuming you saw some of the footage of Twelve Tales, huh? The game looked very expansive and very creative. A few of us here speculated that Twelve Tales could have even been close to completion before becoming Bad Fur Day became a thing, but this was proven wrong thanks to a tweet I received from Chris Seavor.

But yeah, family-friendly Conker had a lot of potential to become something special. But I also really appreciate the M-rated versions. I think a timeline of sorts could solve this issue, like the family-friendly Conker games would be Conker during his youth, while the mature games are adult Conker. I've heard that Diddy Kong Racing and Pocket Tales aren't canon, but I've also heard that they are, so who knows how this would work but if they'd be able to it'd be great in my book.

Wow that's really hard to believe considering all the amount of detailed aspects of Twelve Tales' gameplay footage! But hey if Chris Seavor said so, then it must be true I guess.

I'm pretty sure that Diddy Kong Racing is officially cannon, the events of that game are referenced in both Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts and DK 64 (I think).

Well that's something i haven't put much thought into.
I'd basically start by trying to make the Bad Fur Day ending a cliffhanger!
Some of the ideas that they had for the sequel seemed really appealing and interesting! Like having Conker getting arrested for wasting all the loyal money on parties and hookers, and start the game by having him escape the castle's highest tower, I would had put him escaping through the sewers, where he would then be facing with new types of enemies such as the great mighty poo's minions or antropomorphic toilets, idk!
Once you get out of the sewers you would get into the game's hub, not Windy but similiar enough! Many new nonsensical worlds to explore, (one of them could be hell, and you'd find new types of Fire Imps), and many new wacky but creative bosses and enemies to fight, the memorable ones like the Uga Bugas, Clang Goblings, and the Tediz would have to make a return, for sure! And I would also add some enemies from Twelve Tales such as the evil acorns, the cactusmen and of course K.O. the Cat! The main antagonist could be Professor Von Kriplespac, who it turns out to have survived being sucked into space and formed new plans to bring back the Tediz to make them more powerfull than ever, he would be allied with Don Weaso and Honker the Skunk!
Not sure what you would have to collect in order to progress the game, since the money is kind of pointless for that role!

One of the original ideas that they had and that I liked was make Berri return as a Terminator-like being called Berrinator and have her trying to hunt down Conker. I would have Kriplespac finding the remains of her body and turning her into a terminator in order to stop Conker from ruining his world domination plans again. And at the ending, I would have Berri getting her memories back and resisting her commands of killing Conker (which would make an epic Terminator 3 reference), and then Conker would had gone home with her this time (sounds too happy, well I don't care, I'm not a fan of sad endings anyway)!

Oh and as for movie references, I prefer to go more into the classics, and not to the obvious and cliched ones like "Here's Johnny" from the Shining or "We're gonna need a bigger boat"! Ones that were pretty memorable in iconic movies but haven't been too referenced in pop culture media!

One that comes to my mind, and that's from one of my favourite movies of all times is this one:
and I think you will immediately get why I say that this would make a perfect movie reference in a Conker game .

It could be from a similar level to the surf punks from Bad Fur Day, but instead of chasing someone, this time Conker is the one getting chased by a bunch of Tediz, and the only way to get rid of them is to make them crash into a manure truck!

I really liked your ideas for movie references too, especially the Nightmare on Elm Street one. I think that could be a great spooky chapter for Other Bad Day!

And by the way, I always thought that this scene was a reference to Star Wars the Empire strikes back, mostly because of the background, but I could be wrong.

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[TheBeastHimself]

We actually discussed alot about Twelve Tails in page 7!
I like to think that the Diddy Kong Racing/Pocket Tales/Twelve Tails events happened during Conker's childhood and Bad Fur Day occured during Conker's early adult days (if i'm not mistaken, it was stated that he is 21 years old)! It could also be somewhat like the Legend of Zelda timeline where BFD Conker is a reeincarnation of TT Conker, that would explain Berri's redesign (but that's probably not the case tho)!

Yeah, even many years later and I still feel betrayed by that ending! I still can't believe how twisted they initially thought of doing it!
And I still can't help but wonder if the cancelled sequel was going to have a happier ending!

Conker and Banjo are undoubtedly must haves for Smash Brothers Ultimate, only then it will be safe to say that Everyone is Here! And I thought that the argument that "Conker is too mature" died by the moment we got Snake in Brawl, guess not apparently.



The main villain of Twelve Tales was going to be some sort of evil wizard called Hoodlums! Kind of wonder why they didn't just put the Evil Acorn.
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Wow that's really hard to believe considering all the amount of detailed aspects of Twelve Tales' gameplay footage! But hey if Chris Seavor said so, then it must be true I guess.

I'm pretty sure that Diddy Kong Racing is officially cannon, the events of that game are referenced in both Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts and DK 64 (I think).

Well that's something i haven't put much thought into.
I'd basically start by trying to make the Bad Fur Day ending a cliffhanger!
Some of the ideas that they had for the sequel seemed really appealing and interesting! Like having Conker getting arrested for wasting all the loyal money on parties and hookers, and start the game by having him escape the castle's highest tower, I would had put him escaping through the sewers, where he would then be facing with new types of enemies such as the great mighty poo's minions or antropomorphic toilets, idk!
Once you get out of the sewers you would get into the game's hub, not Windy but similiar enough! Many new nonsensical worlds to explore, (one of them could be hell, and you'd find new types of Fire Imps), and many new wacky but creative bosses and enemies to fight, the memorable ones like the Uga Bugas, Clang Goblings, and the Tediz would have to make a return, for sure! And I would also add some enemies from Twelve Tales such as the evil acorns, the cactusmen and of course K.O. the Cat! The main antagonist could be Professor Von Kriplespac, who it turns out to have survived being sucked into space and formed new plans to bring back the Tediz to make them more powerfull than ever, he would be allied with Don Weaso and Honker the Skunk!
Not sure what you would have to collect in order to progress the game, since the money is kind of pointless for that role!

One of the original ideas that they had and that I liked was make Berri return as a Terminator-like being called Berrinator and have her trying to hunt down Conker. I would have Kriplespac finding the remains of her body and turning her into a terminator in order to stop Conker from ruining his world domination plans again. And at the ending, I would have Berri getting her memories back and resisting her commands of killing Conker (which would make an epic Terminator 3 reference), and then Conker would had gone home with her this time (sounds too happy, well I don't care, I'm not a fan of sad endings anyway)!

Oh and as for movie references, I prefer to go more into the classics, and not to the obvious and cliched ones like "Here's Johnny" from the Shining or "We're gonna need a bigger boat"! Ones that were pretty memorable in iconic movies but haven't been too referenced in pop culture media!

One that comes to my mind, and that's from one of my favourite movies of all times is this one:
and I think you will immediately get why I say that this would make a perfect movie reference in a Conker game .

It could be from a similar level to the surf punks from Bad Fur Day, but instead of chasing someone, this time Conker is the one getting chased by a bunch of Tediz, and the only way to get rid of them is to make them crash into a manure truck!

I really liked your ideas for movie references too, especially the Nightmare on Elm Street one. I think that could be a great spooky chapter for Other Bad Day!

And by the way, I always that this scene was a reference to Star Wars the Empire strikes back, mostly because of the background, but I could be wrong.

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That's how I always viewed the timeline. Diddy Kong Racing and Pocket Tales took place when Conker was still an innocent kid. And man, if Conker was only 21 during the events of Bad Fur Day and he already got himself into that much trouble, he's got a looooong life ahead of him. I know he's a video game character, but I hope he gets his head on straight! Chris Seavor said the ending of Other Bad Day would also be bittersweet, so it looks like Conker never got his happy ending...

And I agree with you, it won't be "Everyone is Here" until the Rare boys are back!

I like your idea of escaping through the prison sewers to get to the hub world. Also, the idea of Conker exploring hell is definitely something I'd like to see. Maybe he makes a deal with the Devil and something goes wrong. I'd love to see that! I'm gonna be thinking about that a lot now, I really like that idea. And I'd definitely want to see past characters and enemies return, watching them interact with new characters! Maybe even have Rodent accompany Conker more. I think it'd be cool seeing a buddy-cop parody between Conker and Rodent in some levels.

I'd love to see Twelve Tales enemies in Conker with a twist! K.O. the Cat swearing, the Evil Acorns guzzling alcohol at a bar. Even Honker gets in on the M-rated action. Whether people like it or not, those characters are apart of the Conker universe and I feel like a lot of them have potential to be great parts of the story, especially if they could figure out something with Honker. Seeing Conker and Honker interact in an M-rated setting would definitely lead to some hilarious scenes.

That movie reference with the manure would be perfect! Having Conker hop off a car and watching his enemies crash right into piles of ****! Oh yeah, I think that is a reference to Empire Strikes Back. King Panther and Emperor Palpatine look like they're in the exact same positions, even the camera angles!

 

[CipherPool]

Ok I've been through a recent cliffhanger that sense Microsoft bought Rare because people say Donkey Kong 64, Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day take place in the same world but where if they say they take place in the world but where on earth do they exist. Now Microsoft owns Rare, we don't when this continues with the where there worlds take place, But recently I found this video that may put interest to come up with your theory and speculation where do these worlds come in mind.

But if any of you guys have your own theory where do this worlds take place and why for the evidence to support your theory, I don't have my own because i'm still thinking where and why so I'll let you guys do the talking of where Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker take place.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

Ok I've been through a recent cliffhanger that since Microsoft bought Rare because people say Donkey Kong 64, Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day take place in the same world but where if they say they take place in the world but where on earth do they exist. Now Microsoft owns Rare, we don't when this continues with the where there worlds take place, But recently I found this video that may put interest to come up with your theory and speculation where do these worlds come in mind.

But if any of you guys have your own theory where do this worlds take place and why for the evidence to support your theory, I don't have my own because i'm still thinking where and why so I'll let you guys do the talking of where Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker take place.

Yeah, I already mentioned in one of my previous replies that so far, the franchises that are cannonically part of the same universe are:
-Super Mario (plus the spinoff titles such as Luigi's Mansion, Yoshi series, and WarioWare/WarioLand)
-Donkey Kong
-Banjo Kazooie
-Conker
-Punch-Out (since Mario is the refiree and DK is the final boss of the Wii version)

I personally think that DK Island's location isn't too far from where Banjo and Kazooie live, since both their worlds look much alike. Maybe Banjo could be one of those 15 bears from DKC 3 that the guy in the video mentioned, but so far, I guess we'll never really know! The Mario land (also known as Mushroom Kingdom) however, I believe it's very distant from Dk's location, since the enemies and other characterisitcs are way too different and contrasting to the ones from DK, same thing can be said about Conker! And Punch-Out takes place in New York, as far as I know! Man, I really wonder how geographically far each of these lands really are from each other, that is if they all take place on the same planet.

I also like to wonder what similiarities does that universe share with ours. The Mario, DK, Banjo and Conker worlds makes us think that their universe is extremely different from ours, but than we have Punch-Out which not only takes place in a real life city, but also features real life people such as Mike Tyson, oh and let's not forget the realistic-looking people in Super Mario Odyssey.

I also like to think that the Legend of Zelda and Metroid take place in that same universe aswell, mostly because of the easter eggs that are mostly present in various Mario and Zelda games (some of them might even be too obvious and noticeable to be called easter eggs) that directly reference each of the series!

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Although, I'd say that the Legend of Zelda probably takes place on a different planet!

You think there's any other Nintendo franchise that share this universe?

 

[CipherPool]

Oh and their is Video that Alpha Stoutland made that we may think that Banjo & Kazooie maybe part of The Fighters Pass, he will explain who they are and some evidence that points to the bear and the bird will be coming to smash.

Even though if the bear and bird can get, the squirrel can to if we believe that if their is a second Microsoft rep which really if Banjo & Kazooie and Conker did get in to smash bros, then that will make the EVERYONE IS HERE phrase that everyone is here!!!

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Ok I've been through a recent cliffhanger that sense Microsoft bought Rare because people say Donkey Kong 64, Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day take place in the same world but where if they say they take place in the world but where on earth do they exist. Now Microsoft owns Rare, we don't when this continues with the where there worlds take place, But recently I found this video that may put interest to come up with your theory and speculation where do these worlds come in mind.

But if any of you guys have your own theory where do this worlds take place and why for the evidence to support your theory, I don't have my own because i'm still thinking where and why so I'll let you guys do the talking of where Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker take place.

I'm not 100% sold on the theory, but I think it's a neat and I'd love for it to be officially confirmed. My only issue with it is, if any type of media does a cross-over, does that mean all of the franchises involved canonically exist in the same universe? For example, if we say this theory is real and that all these worlds really exist in one universe, that means Sonic is also in this universe thanks to him crossing over with Mario in their Olympic Games series, and we all know that Mario has ties with DK. Hell, everyone in Smash Bros. would all exist in the same universe. I know some evidence supporting the theory is based on Diddy writing letters to Banjo and Conker in DKR, but that still doesn't completely sell it for me. I don't know maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way and someone can correct me.

Oh and their is Video that Alpha Stoutland made that we may think that Banjo & Kazooie maybe part of The Fighters Pass, he will explain who they are and some evidence that points to the bear and the bird will be coming to smash.

Even though if the bear and bird can get, the squirrel can to if we believe that if their is a second Microsoft rep which really if Banjo & Kazooie and Conker did get in to smash bros, then that will make the EVERYONE IS HERE phrase that everyone is here!!!

I think that if Banjo gets in, Conker will be next in line. There are of course other notable Microsoft characters, but to me personally, this is Nintendo's perfect opportunity to reunite their characters with the Rare cast, where they belong. At the end of the day, Banjo and Conker are the faces of the Rare/Nintendo era, and were literally created with the intentions of being full-fledged Nintendo characters, similar to how Game Freak has Pokemon and Itoi has EarthBound.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

I'm not 100% sold on the theory, but I think it's a neat and I'd love for it to be officially confirmed. My only issue with it is, if any type of media does a cross-over, does that mean all of the franchises involved canonically exist in the same universe? For example, if we say this theory is real and that all these worlds really exist in one universe, that means Sonic is also in this universe thanks to him crossing over with Mario in their Olympic Games series, and we all know that Mario has ties with DK. Hell, everyone in Smash Bros. would all exist in the same universe. I know some evidence supporting the theory is based on Diddy writing letters to Banjo and Conker in DKR, but that still doesn't completely sell it for me. I don't know maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way and someone can correct me.



I think that if Banjo gets in, Conker will be next in line. There are of course other notable Microsoft characters, but to me personally, this is Nintendo's perfect opportunity to reunite their characters with the Rare cast, where they belong. At the end of the day, Banjo and Conker are the faces of the Rare/Nintendo era, and were literally created with the intentions of being full-fledged Nintendo characters, similar to how Game Freak has Pokemon and Itoi has EarthBound.

Technically it really isn't a crossover since Diddy Kong Racing is where Banjo and Conker were first introduced, so that already kind of makes them DK characters! Which puts them in a special situation, I guess.

A lot of crossovers such as Sonic and Mario: At the Olympics, and Super Smash Brothers are meant to be seen as "one time only thing" and non-cannonical, whereas Diddy Kong Racing was always supposed to be part of the tale, cause if you think about it, Conker and Banjo were meant from the start, to be considered as Nintendo characters, and they were probably going to get a lot more involved in DK Country games, once they got their spinoff titles (that being Banjo Kazooie and Twelve Tales, which turned into Conker's Bad Fur Day)!
The only other proof that Diddy Kong Racing is cannon that comes to my mind, is in Nuts and Bolts where Banjo mentions that he remembers racing a genie and a pig.

I think writing off Conker because of Bad Fur Day is a lazy argument. Whenever people say this, they act as if Conker himself cannot function without being M-rated. First off, this is completely false and you can actually see that by playing Bad Fur Day and doing a little research. Second, not every level in the game is the Poo level, there are E-rated worlds that can be used as stages. Windy, Rock Solid, Feral Reserve Bank, The Arena, etc. Also, it's not like Conker's music tracks have some hypnotic subliminal messages in them. I really don't see why people make Conker out to be such a huge issue. He's literally a squirrel who could fit perfectly into Smash just by appearance alone, but apparently he's still an issue. However, a scandalous, sexualized character is a-okay.

I still can't believe that there are people who think that an ugly-a** witch who brutally tortures and murders angels, while getting naked during combat is more apropriate than a friendly looking cartoon squirell which the worse thing he does is getting drunk and peeing on imps (and that only happens two times in the whole game, whereas Bayonetta's brutal and torturous violence happens throughout the whole game)

But as if that wasn't ridiculous enough, I hear many people supporting Leon from Resident Evil and even saying that he'd fit pretty well in Smash.
HOW?! Just HOW THE F*CK does a character that uses nothing but firearms and that comes from a horror series that's well-known for its terrifyingly grotesque nature and bizarre/nightmarish creatures fits better in a kids game than Conker??? And further more, how the hell is it possible to represent Resident Evil without the bloody and disgusting aspects that made the franchise what it is, just how???

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

But as if that wasn't ridiculous enough, I hear many people supporting Leon from Resident Evil and even saying that he'd fit pretty well in Smash.
HOW?! Just HOW THE F*CK does a character that uses nothing but firearms and that comes from a horror series that's well-known for its terrifyingly grotesque nature and bizarre/nightmarish creatures fits better in a kids game than Conker??? And further more, how the hell is it possible to represent Resident Evil without the bloody and disgusting aspects that made the franchise what it is, just how???

Explosives and ballistics (in before in-jokes). I mean, RE characters made it in the bloodless Marvel Vs. Capcom series just fine and those crossover fighters aren't known for having heaps of gore every time someone gets punched.

Also, I think part of it is due to double-standards; it's expected to have a mature photorealistic human character coming with realistic (to a point, anyway) firearms. It's when you bring in a cartoony mascot that's been involved in a crass property that it's suddenly going too far. Well, that and assuming that Nintendo still keeps a silly grudge that HAS ALREADY BEEN APOLOGIZED FOR IN THE FINAL ISSUE OF NINTENDO POWER.

Lord almighty, please let the bear & bird make it in this time, or Conker will never get a fair shake by fans at this rate...

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

Explosives and ballistics (in before in-jokes). I mean, RE characters made it in the bloodless Marvel Vs. Capcom series just fine and those crossover fighters aren't known for having heaps of gore every time someone gets punched.

Also, I think part of it is due to double-standards; it's expected to have a mature photorealistic human character coming with realistic (to a point, anyway) firearms. It's when you bring in a cartoony mascot that's been involved in a crass property that it's suddenly going too far. Well, that and assuming that Nintendo still keeps a silly grudge that HAS ALREADY BEEN APOLOGIZED FOR IN THE FINAL ISSUE OF NINTENDO POWER.

Lord almighty, please let the bear & bird make it in this time, or Conker will never get a fair shake by fans at this rate...

Well Marvel vs Capcom is more of a teen game rather than a kids' game anyway, and even if Leon could have a "not so violent" moveset, it wouldn't matter anyway cause he would be so ridiculously unfitting that I really don't see the point (not to mention, that he's not even that much of an iconic character). Plus there's no way you can tone down Resident Evil, the franchise's success fully relies on its nightmarish environment and its bloody and grotesque creatures. To sum things up, RE without those aspects isn't RE at all, so it's compeletely pointless!

 

[CipherPool]

This is where we get to the headline of the NON-Nintendo Characters that would be in smash and because of their popularity and I think these characters would approve how the fans would react if these characters got in as a fighter. We have these gaming companies that said that want their character to be in the game or Nintendo ask them if they could have their character join smash bros, this really makes to Sega, Capcom, Konami, Namco and Square being involved of smash bros and helping the game grow, what about Microsoft they been buddy buddy recently to Nintendo and maybe a update on some other games like Minecraft cross-play and Cuphead coming to the Switch that really gives that Nintendo and Microsoft are gonna make gaming history the ultimate gaming of working together and make gaming awesome and what's to make it awesome is putting a Microsoft character to smash brothers and most likely that would be Banjo & Kazooie and if Microsoft is helping make Smash Bros the ultimate crossover fighting of all time, then Microsoft should be part of the NON-Nintendo Gaming Characters list that Sakurai created to make the NON-Nintendo Characters that joined smash to be his list in order of which Gaming Company characters that made a debut and if Microsoft is getting a other rep then I add Conker to this list now the in order the character are in smash bros.

So if these are characters that are getting to smash bros that I believe would get in because of their gaming popularity that Sega, Capcom, Konami, Bandai Namco, Square Enix and Microsoft really use and fans like them and want they to a better and their games are just coming in the future that we wait if it happens then people ask they to be in smash bros so Sakurai approve Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Ken, Snake, Simon, Richter, PAC-MAN and Cloud in smash so would Sakurai and Nintendo approve Heihachi, Geno, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker in smash?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

You know, I severely doubt that fans simply wanting RE characters at Conker's expense will get them in even faster when there's still a gorillion other Capcom characters, like Phoenix Wright, Amaterasu, Viewtiful Joe, Arthur, and even Dante that people would ask for from that company. It's not even comparing apples with oranges anymore, but completely different orchards.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if a reason for people wanting a mature character over the other makes sense or not, their chances are simply equal; not remotely on the radar unless the fan demand was precise like a torpedo on a sub.

 

[TheCJBrine]

After actually watching Twelve Tales gameplay, I'm really wishing they could've finished it alongside Bad Fur Day and that whoever told them "It's just another kiddie platformer" would've shut their yap.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Technically it really isn't a crossover since Diddy Kong Racing is where Banjo and Conker were first introduced, so that already kind of makes them DK characters! Which puts them in a special situation, I guess.

A lot of crossovers such as Sonic and Mario: At the Olympics, and Super Smash Brothers are meant to be seen as "one time only thing" and non-cannonical, whereas Diddy Kong Racing was always supposed to be part of the tale, cause if you think about it, Conker and Banjo were meant from the start, to be considered as Nintendo characters, and they were probably going to get a lot more involved in DK Country games, once they got their spinoff titles (that being Banjo Kazooie and Twelve Tales, which turned into Conker's Bad Fur Day)!
The only other proof that Diddy Kong Racing is cannon that comes to my mind, is in Nuts and Bolts where Banjo mentions that he remembers racing a genie and a pig.

That does make more sense to me now. Because Banjo and Conker originated in the DK universe, it only seems logical that they are also apart of it. Thanks for letting me know!

I still can't believe that there are people who think that an ugly-a** witch who brutally tortures and murders angels, while getting naked during combat is more apropriate than a friendly looking cartoon squirell which the worse thing he does is getting drunk and peeing on imps (and that only happens two times in the whole game, whereas Bayonetta's brutal and torturous violence happens throughout the whole game)

This is something that I don't really understand. Snake and Bayonetta come from very questionable games just like Conker, but the difference is they look the part and Conker does not. They also made it into Smash, and thanks to Conker's already kid-friendly design and kid-friendly abilities, he should be able to have an easier time slipping past the ESRB than Snake and Bayo did. I think a lot of the "Conker is too mature" arguments stem from people remembering Bad Fur Day incorrectly, or just being under the guise that Conker needs to be mature to function properly, which has been proven false. There will always be doubters, I'm sure people have said the same thing to Snake and Bayo fans before they were announced. It's best not to let them discourage us.

But as if that wasn't ridiculous enough, I hear many people supporting Leon from Resident Evil and even saying that he'd fit pretty well in Smash.
HOW?! Just HOW THE F*CK does a character that uses nothing but firearms and that comes from a horror series that's well-known for its terrifyingly grotesque nature and bizarre/nightmarish creatures fits better in a kids game than Conker??? And further more, how the hell is it possible to represent Resident Evil without the bloody and disgusting aspects that made the franchise what it is, just how???

I don't think these people are necessarily saying that Leon or other M-rated characters would work better than Conker. The thing is, if people like an M-rated character, that character will be supported. Depending on how popular that character is, the more support they will have. So if Leon gets a ton of support that's not people saying "Leon is a much better option than Conker", that just means more people would rather see Leon in Smash over Conker. Or at least that's how I view things anyway.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if a reason for people wanting a mature character over the other makes sense or not, their chances are simply equal; not remotely on the radar unless the fan demand was precise like a torpedo on a sub.

I agree with you here. I think the biggest chance for a lot of characters to get in (regardless of whether or not they are M-rated) boils down to popularity and fan support. Otherwise, yeah, everything just seems equal.

After actually watching Twelve Tales gameplay, I'm really wishing they could've finished it alongside Bad Fur Day and that whoever told them "It's just another kiddie platformer" would've shut their yap.

RIGHT?? I feel like Twelve Tales would've been another hit from Rare and a nice alternative to Banjo-Kazooie. It's really too bad the game was never completed, but Rare does still have the prototypes so who knows if those would be ever used in the future. I doubt it, but who knows.

 

[Ryuvain]

It's sad what they did to Conker. Still play Bad Fur Day with friends and miss Live and Reloaded badly. (XBox broke and no money.)

Least they could do for him is immortalize him in smash, I don't care if he's only just an assist either. It's better than being dead somewhere forgotten in Microsoft's archives.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

It's sad what they did to Conker. Still play Bad Fur Day with friends and miss Live and Reloaded badly. (XBox broke and no money.)

Least they could do for him is immortalize him in smash, I don't care if he's only just an assist either. It's better than being dead somewhere forgotten in Microsoft's archives.

Exactly. Conker in Smash would preserve his legacy just like it does for Ness, Lucas, and Captain Falcon.

 

[CipherPool]

EVERYONE LISTEN UP, I HEARD THAT THEIR WAS A RUMOR THAT A BANJO & KAZOOIE REMAKE AND BANJO COMING TO SMASH ULITMATE THIS BLOW MIND IN TO PIECES IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE TURE HEAR IT FOR FROM US AND TELL ME IF THIS COULD BE TURE!!!

ANYONE THAT SEE BANJO & KAZOOIE COME TO SMASH ULTIMATE IS BRAZAAR TO EVERYONE THAT PEOPLE THINK STEVE OR ERDRICK IS THE BRAVE CHARACTER BUT TO ME, THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY BANJO IF HE'S IN SMASH THEN OUR NEXT LINE OF A SECOND MICROSOFT REP IS CONKER SO WHAT DO HAVE TO SAY TO VIDEO AND MY OPINION!!!

 

[TheBeastHimself]

EVERYONE LISTEN UP, I HEARD THAT THEIR WAS A RUMOR THAT A BANJO & KAZOOIE REMAKE AND BANJO COMING TO SMASH ULITMATE THIS BLOW MIND IN TO PIECES IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE TURE HEAR IT FOR FROM US AND TELL ME IF THIS COULD BE TURE!!!

ANYONE THAT SEE BANJO & KAZOOIE COME TO SMASH ULTIMATE IS BRAZAAR TO EVERYONE THAT PEOPLE THINK STEVE OR ERDRICK IS THE BRAVE CHARACTER BUT TO ME, THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY BANJO IF HE'S IN SMASH THEN OUR NEXT LINE OF A SECOND MICROSOFT REP IS CONKER SO WHAT DO HAVE TO SAY TO VIDEO AND MY OPINION!!!

I would definitely be interested in seeing this! Unfortunately, Playtonic addressed the video and confirmed that they are not working on anything Banjo related:

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I hope Billy realizes that keeping the video up is sorta spreading misinformation at this point, since Playtonic directly contacted him.

 

[CipherPool]

When I was on youtube searching about Twelve Tales Conker 64 that got me interested of the canceled game and I found this video which is soundtracks to Twelve Tales Conker 64 and this one is a reference to a old game from Super Nintendo and I want you guys to react to this.

Yep. It's Super Mario RPG The Forest Maze soundtrack in Twelve Tales Conker 64 surprising and this give me a feeling to imagine that Conker met Geno when he was young in Pocket Tales and Diddy Kong and this soundtrack maybe confirms that Mario, Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker are in the universe but not anymore because Twelve Tales Conker 64 was transform to Conker's Bad Fur Day and no Mario RPG references in this game. But to give more of a feeling that Conker and Geno met, can someone draw Conker and Geno Fighting if they were in smash brothers.

Edit: This is a fan-made soundtrack not a real soundtrack I wish this was real this is embarrassing ( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°)

 

[TheCJBrine]

When I was on youtube searching about Twelve Tales Conker 64 that got me interested of the canceled game and I found this video which is soundtracks to Twelve Tales Conker 64 and this one is a reference to a old game from Super Nintendo and I want you guys to react to this.

Yep. It's Super Mario RPG The Forest Maze soundtrack in Twelve Tales Conker 64 surprising and this give me a feeling to imagine that Conker met Geno when he was young in Pocket Tales and Diddy Kong and this soundtrack maybe confirms that Mario, Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker are in the universe but not anymore because Twelve Tales Conker 64 was transform to Conker's Bad Fur Day and no Mario RPG references in this game. But to give more of a feeling that Conker and Geno met, can someone draw Conker and Geno Fighting if they were in smash brothers.

Unfortunately the description says it's fan-made for Twelve Tales.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

When I was on youtube searching about Twelve Tales Conker 64 that got me interested of the canceled game and I found this video which is soundtracks to Twelve Tales Conker 64 and this one is a reference to a old game from Super Nintendo and I want you guys to react to this.

Yep. It's Super Mario RPG The Forest Maze soundtrack in Twelve Tales Conker 64 surprising and this give me a feeling to imagine that Conker met Geno when he was young in Pocket Tales and Diddy Kong and this soundtrack maybe confirms that Mario, Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker are in the universe but not anymore because Twelve Tales Conker 64 was transform to Conker's Bad Fur Day and no Mario RPG references in this game. But to give more of a feeling that Conker and Geno met, can someone draw Conker and Geno Fighting if they were in smash brothers.

I checked out the description of the video and apparently it's fanmade....

BUT STILL, that's a really cool find CipherPool! (By the way, I'm a huge fan of both Deadpool and Gravity Falls). I think it would be really cool if Conker met Geno. It would be a really random cross-over between two completely unrelated characters, but I love both of them and I think they could have cool interactions. I definitely like to think that they all exist in the same universe, perhaps Banjo and Conker moved to a different country or something, who knows.

There's a piece of Conker merch I want so bad, but it was limited edition and I can't find another place to buy it. It's a Conker hoodie from Insert Coin, and I would have definitely added it to my hoodie collection if I had the chance.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

When I was on youtube searching about Twelve Tales Conker 64 that got me interested of the canceled game and I found this video which is soundtracks to Twelve Tales Conker 64 and this one is a reference to a old game from Super Nintendo and I want you guys to react to this.


Yep. It's Super Mario RPG The Forest Maze soundtrack in Twelve Tales Conker 64 surprising and this give me a feeling to imagine that Conker met Geno when he was young in Pocket Tales and Diddy Kong and this soundtrack maybe confirms that Mario, Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker are in the universe but not anymore because Twelve Tales Conker 64 was transform to Conker's Bad Fur Day and no Mario RPG references in this game. But to give more of a feeling that Conker and Geno met, can someone draw Conker and Geno Fighting if they were in smash brothers.

Edit: This is a fan-made soundtrack not a real soundtrack I wish this was real this is embarrassing ( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°)

It's cool dude, the soundtrack is quite catchy and don't worry, I made the exact same mistake in one of my previous replies when we were talking about Twelve Tales. I wanted to show that there was even a final boss already prepared for the game, with this soundtrack right here

That is, until I found out that it was a fan-made soundtrack in the discriptions, aswell.
By the way, I think we already covered up that Conker and Banjo are cannonically part of the Mario Universe,
tho does this mean that characters such as The Great Mighty Poo can be kind of considered as Mario characters?

I can totally draw the concept of Conker fighting Geno, but I must search a little bit more about the character and his abilities first.

I don't think these people are necessarily saying that Leon or other M-rated characters would work better than Conker. The thing is, if people like an M-rated character, that character will be supported. Depending on how popular that character is, the more support they will have. So if Leon gets a ton of support that's not people saying "Leon is a much better option than Conker", that just means more people would rather see Leon in Smash over Conker. Or at least that's how I view things anyway.

That's true, but the only thing that confuses me is that every single time I mention that Conker should be in Smash, I always get atleast one guy saying that he's too mature/innapropriate (they are even dumb enough to say that Bayonetta can be toned down but Conker can't), but when I see people mentioning that Leon, a vulgar character that mostly uses firearms to kill grotesque monsters in horifying places (as I already covered up), people say that it makes total sense.
I know that it all comes down to popularity, but there should be boundries. Cause to me, Leon in Smash wouldn't mean that Everyone is Here, it would just mean that Anyone can be Here (nowadays), as if Bayonetta and Joker weren't enough for this category.

There's a piece of Conker merch I want so bad, but it was limited edition and I can't find another place to buy it. It's a Conker hoodie from Insert Coin, and I would have definitely added it to my hoodie collection if I had the chance.

Thanks for showing that awesome Conker hoodie, I went to see if I could find it on ebay, but no luck! Too bad it was limited edition cause I'd totally buy one for myself too, guess these guys really don't want any cash prizes.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I've got some great news guys! I hopped onto Twitter and talked to Daley Eve, a former Rare employee, about Banjo, Conker, DK, and Mario all existing in the same universe, and I got some interesting replies! I even got interesting replies from an account called DK Vine, you guys have to check it out below there's even an artist's interpretation of what the Rare Archipelago looks like:

Spoiler: Banjo, Conker, DK, Mario Exist Together

That's true, but the only thing that confuses me is that every single time I mention that Conker should be in Smash, I always get atleast one guy saying that he's too mature/innapropriate (they are even dumb enough to say that Bayonetta can be toned down but Conker can't), but when I see people mentioning that Leon, a vulgar character that mostly uses firearms to kill grotesque monsters in horifying places (as I already covered up) makes total sense.
I know that it all comes down to popularity, but there should be boundries. Cause to me, Leon in Smash wouldn't mean that Everyone is Here, it would just mean that Anyone can be Here (nowadays), as if Bayonetta and Joker weren't enough for this category.

Honestly, I think the bulk of this boils down to laziness. If people don't care about Conker, or don't want to give Conker a thought because Banjo hasn't gotten in yet, they aren't going to spend time thinking about how he could work but instead just dismiss him because it's the easier thing to do. Conker makes a lot more sense than Bayonetta and Leon in my opinion, so the fact that Bayonetta is in now leads me to believe that there would be no issue getting Conker in.

Also, yeah please draw Geno fighting Conker if you get the chance! I think that would be really cool to see and I like your drawings.

On a side note, I found these cool amiibo type figurines of a squirrel soldier that a fan made:

 

[CipherPool]

WAIT WAIT WAIT, If Mario's Universe has a Dimensional Barrier and they said the world of Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker which they world is called Rare Archipelago are not in the same universe with Mario and they said that they share a multiverse and exist in different realms, then that must means that the world of EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Legend of Zelda, Kirby, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Star Fox and Metroid are all different in realms from earth and space itself.

The titles of Nintendo Games of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe which we can call it the NCU and the title games are.

Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Splatoon, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Pikmin and Kirby are in the same shared multiverse but this tell that Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing and Splatoon are the same, Doneky Kong, Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day are the same, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus are the same, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Pikmin, and Kirby are the same out of the different realms from earth and this gives a big problem to everything of Nintendo that no one saw coming and I'll gave these videos to you that what's your theory between all of these games of Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Splatoon, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Pikmin and Kirby Series, I what you to take a look of all of these games and tell if you spot it something that leads to the Nintendo Cinematic Universe. and this would epic that every game of Nintendo crossover but not smash bros in the real life game their universe and this time this will lead to death of our favorite characters that we know that the heros and villains are working together from every game Nintendo to fight a great evil force of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe this would really go like infinity war and the worlds of all the characters of Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Splatoon, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Pikmin and Kirby will all meet and work together to fight the real evil of the multiverse!!!!! What is your theory of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe and why this works?

If you want to know everything then click this link here Nintendo Cinematic Universe

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

I've got some great news guys! I hopped onto Twitter and talked to Daley Eve, a former Rare employee, about Banjo, Conker, DK, and Mario all existing in the same universe, and I got some interesting replies! I even got interesting replies from an account called DK Vine, you guys have to check it out below there's even an artist's interpretation of what the Rare Archipelago looks like:

Spoiler: Banjo, Conker, DK, Mario Exist Together

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Honestly, I think the bulk of this boils down to laziness. If people don't care about Conker, or don't want to give Conker a thought because Banjo hasn't gotten in yet, they aren't going to spend time thinking about how he could work but instead just dismiss him because it's the easier thing to do. Conker makes a lot more sense than Bayonetta and Leon in my opinion, so the fact that Bayonetta is in now leads me to believe that there would be no issue getting Conker in.

Also, yeah please draw Geno fighting Conker if you get the chance! I think that would be really cool to see and I like your drawings.

On a side note, I found these cool amiibo type figurines of a squirrel soldier that a fan made:

Thank you so much for sharing that information here. it trully is refreshing to see a Rare employee confirming that Conker and Banjo are indeed in the same universe as D.K., and I had no idea that they even had a map that confirmed how geographically far each island is situated, and how connected these three franchises are (I always assumed that Banjo and D.K. were pretty close to each other, and that Conker's island was very distant from these two, guess not apparently, which is a good thing).
Although that last thing about Mario not being part of the same universe as Donkey Kong didn't make any sense to me, and I'm preety sure this can't possibly be true for numerous reasons, one of which is that it is confirmed that in Super Mario Odyssey, New Donk City (the place where Mario rescued Pauline from D.K.) and the Mushroom Kingdom co-exist in the exact same world.
Anyway great job, that map put a big smile into my face.
I wonder where this puts Punch-Out tho.

Right on, thanks for letting me know

Woah that amiboo looks kick-ass for a fan-made figurine, and it's a good thing they opted with the bad fur day design.
Now I think that it would be a great idea to have one of these guys an an alt costume to Conker in Smash Bros (it probably won't happen cause they're a little too different). I always liked the SHC soldiers, they were like the toad version of Conker.
It was so hard for me to see them getting brutally murdered when I first saw the Saving Private Ryan reference in the It's War chapter.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Thank you so much for sharing that information here. it trully is refreshing to see a Rare employee confirming that Conker and Banjo are indeed in the same universe as D.K., and I had no idea that they even had a map that confirmed how geographically far each island is situated, and how connected these three franchises are (I always assumed that Banjo and D.K. were pretty close to each other, and that Conker's island was very distant from these two, guess not apparently, which is a good thing).
Although that last thing about Mario not being part of the same universe as Donkey Kong didn't make any sense to me, and I'm preety sure this can't possibly be true for numerous reasons, one of which is that it is confirmed that in Super Mario Odyssey, New Donk City (the place where Mario rescued Pauline from D.K.) and the Mushroom Kingdom co-exist in the exact same world.
Anyway great job, that map put a big smile into my face.
I wonder where this puts Punch-Out tho.

Right on, thanks for letting me know

Woah that amiboo looks kick-*** for a fan-made figurine, and it's a good thing they opted with the bad fur day design.
Now I think that it would be a great idea to have one of these guys an an alt costume to Conker in Smash Bros (it probably won't happen cause they're a little too different). I always liked the SHC soldiers, they were like the toad version of Conker.
It was so hard for me to see them getting brutally murdered when I first saw the Saving Private Ryan reference in the It's War chapter.

Unfortunately, that map is not official but it's an artist's interpretation of where everything would be situated. I'm not sure if the guy who tweeted that is from Rare, but that account is definitely credible.

Also yeah, a gray squirrel Conker skin is a must.

 

[CipherPool]

Conker's height is taller to small characters but he's small compare big characters in Bad Fur Day and what would it look like he was in smash and what would his height be. I noticed that Conker is taller then Diddy which you don't know, when I compare Diddy and Toon Link and I took a closer look, Conker certainly fits that height and he's in smash.

So like this for smash ultimate I think really has a great shot of making it in if Banjo & Kazooie gets it, what's your thoughts of Conker's Height looking like this if this was actually Conker's Height for smash.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Conker's height is taller to small characters but he's small compare big characters in Bad Fur Day and what would it look like he was in smash and what would his height be. I noticed that Conker is taller then Diddy which you don't know, when I compare Diddy and Toon Link and I took a closer look, Conker certainly fits that height and he's in smash.

So like this for smash ultimate I think really has a great shot of making it in if Banjo & Kazooie gets it, what's your thoughts of Conker's Height looking like this if this was actually Conker's Height for smash.

That's a great representation of what Conker would look like in Smash! And now that I'm seeing it, I actually wouldn't mind if Sakurai used the more bushy Conker's Big Reunion model in Smash over the Bad Fur Day design. Big Reunion is essentially just an HD version of the Bad Fur Day design anyway.

Anyway, something we haven't discussed much here is Conker's alternate skins. What designs from the Conker series could be used by Sakurai? Here are some of my ideas:

Default

Live and Reloaded

Diddy Kong Racing/Pocket Tales/Twelve Tales

Gray Squirrel Soldier

Anyone else have any ideas? Those are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. Though seeing him utilize different hats like the crown and Uga Buga crown would be neat.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

WAIT WAIT WAIT, If Mario's Universe has a Dimensional Barrier and they said the world of Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie and Conker which they world is called Rare Archipelago are not in the same universe with Mario and they said that they share a multiverse and exist in different realms, then that must means that the world of EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Legend of Zelda, Kirby, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Star Fox and Metroid are all different in realms from earth and space itself.

The titles of Nintendo Games of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe which we can call it the NCU and the title games are.

Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Splatoon, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Pikmin and Kirby are in the same shared multiverse but this tell that Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing and Splatoon are the same, Doneky Kong, Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day are the same, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus are the same, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Pikmin, and Kirby are the same out of the different realms from earth and this gives a big problem to everything of Nintendo that no one saw coming and I'll gave these videos to you that what's your theory between all of these games of Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Splatoon, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Pikmin and Kirby Series, I what you to take a look of all of these games and tell if you spot it something that leads to the Nintendo Cinematic Universe. and this would epic that every game of Nintendo crossover but not smash bros in the real life game their universe and this time this will lead to death of our favorite characters that we know that the heros and villains are working together from every game Nintendo to fight a great evil force of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe this would really go like infinity war and the worlds of all the characters of Super Mario, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, The Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, R.O.B, Splatoon, EarthBound, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Pikmin and Kirby will all meet and work together to fight the real evil of the multiverse!!!!! What is your theory of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe and why this works?

If you want to know everything then click this link here Nintendo Cinematic Universe

As I mentioned in my previous reply, I highly doubt that Mario is from a different universe of D.K., but yeah it is probable that all these different Nintendo universes are kind of connected. While I think there might be more franchises that are also part of the Mario/DK universe (despite not being officially confirmed) such as Pikmin, Ice Climbers, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, etc. due to similiar art-styles and/or various references, I'm pretty sure that other franchises such as Earthbound and Pokemon (and even some 3rd party franchises like Sonic the Hedgehog, Castlevania, Pacman, Megaman), are from a different universe, but share some kind of multiverse, which would explain Smash Brothers.
Since Nintendo is known for producing games and not movies, I think it should be called Nintendo Gaming Universe (NGU, it has a nice ring to it).
And yeah, the concept of Nintendo characters reuniting to fight evil is amazing, but Nintendo already made something like that (which I suspect is what inspired the Avengers), which is the story mode of Brawl, that's called Subspace Emissory. It's exactly as you would picture the Nintendo characters interacting and teaming up, shame that not all of the franchises from your list made it to the story (that being Banjo Kazooie, Conker, Animal Crossing, Punch-Out, Duck Hunt, and Splatoon). Gotta say, I was bummed out that there is no story mode in Ultimate, specially after seeing that kick-ass intro cutscene. What a waste, but hey Sakurai can't do everything (and I am really thankfull than he added every single fighter from the previous entries, even if that includes characters that I really don't like cough Bayonetta cough.

There are actually alot of parodies involving the trailer of the Avengers with Smash Brothers (specifically Ultimate), some of them are really well made, but my personal favourite is this one right here:

Unfortunately, that map is not official but it's an artist's interpretation of where everything would be situated. I'm not sure if the guy who tweeted that is from Rare, but that account is definitely credible.

Also yeah, a gray squirrel Conker skin is a must.

I'd say that the map looks way too well made to be fan-made, but I could certanly be wrong. Either way, it's refreshing to hear a Rare member confirming that Conker and Banjo are indeed from the DK/Mario universe, even if they are no longer owned by Nintendo.
If this alone doesn't already makes these two the most deserving characters for Smash Bros left, than I don't know what it does.

Conker's height is taller to small characters but he's small compare big characters in Bad Fur Day and what would it look like he was in smash and what would his height be. I noticed that Conker is taller then Diddy which you don't know, when I compare Diddy and Toon Link and I took a closer look, Conker certainly fits that height and he's in smash.

So like this for smash ultimate I think really has a great shot of making it in if Banjo & Kazooie gets it, what's your thoughts of Conker's Height looking like this if this was actually Conker's Height for smash.

I think this is extremely accurate, cause that's exactly how tall I'm expecting Conker to be in Super Smash Bros, it's practically the same size as Mario.
It's worth mentioning that your editting skils are beyond impressive (how do you make these awesome images, is it photoshop? cause I'm trying to learn how to use it). Congratulations, it absolutely looks like Conker is there.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

As I mentioned in my previous reply, I highly doubt that Mario is from a different universe of D.K., but yeah it is probable that all these different Nintendo universes are kind of connected. While I think there might be more franchises that are also part of the Mario/DK universe (despite not being officially confirmed) such as Pikmin, Ice Climbers, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, etc. due to similiar art-styles and/or various references, I'm pretty sure that other franchises such as Earthbound and Pokemon (and even some 3rd party franchises like Sonic the Hedgehog, Castlevania, Pacman, Megaman), are from a different universe, but share some kind of multiverse, which would explain Smash Brothers.
Since Nintendo is known for producing games and not movies, I think it should be called Nintendo Gaming Universe (NGU, it has a nice ring to it).
And yeah, the concept of Nintendo characters reuniting to fight evil is amazing, but Nintendo already made something like that (which I suspect is what inspired the Avengers), which is the story mode of Brawl, that's called Subspace Emissory. It's exactly as you would picture the Nintendo characters interacting and teaming up, shame that not all of the franchises from your list made it to the story (that being Banjo Kazooie, Conker, Animal Crossing, Punch-Out, Duck Hunt, and Splatoon). Gotta say, I was bummed out that there is no story mode in Ultimate, specially after seeing that kick-*** intro cutscene. What a waste, but hey Sakurai can't do everything (and I am really thankfull than he added every single fighter from the previous entries, even if that includes characters that I really don't like cough Bayonetta cough.

I definitely do believe that Nintendo itself is a multiverse, and many of the characters each exist on their version of Earth (or wherever else Nintendo characters reside). You're right, the NGU does have a nice ring to it! Unfortunately, though, the Subspace Emissary did not inspire The Avengers, that team has been around in comics since 1963, and Marvel characters have always been interacting with each other... But regardless I want to see if anyone can fully document how this universe works, maybe I'll give it a shot someday.

 

[CipherPool]

I checked out the description of the video and apparently it's fanmade....

BUT STILL, that's a really cool find CipherPool! (By the way, I'm a huge fan of both Deadpool and Gravity Falls). I think it would be really cool if Conker met Geno. It would be a really random cross-over between two completely unrelated characters, but I love both of them and I think they could have cool interactions. I definitely like to think that they all exist in the same universe, perhaps Banjo and Conker moved to a different country or something, who knows.

There's a piece of Conker merch I want so bad, but it was limited edition and I can't find another place to buy it. It's a Conker hoodie from Insert Coin, and I would have definitely added it to my hoodie collection if I had the chance.

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I love this Conker hoodie it's awesome that people didn't forget about Conker and still make some merch for his legacy.

And yeah i'm a fan of Deadpool and Gravity Falls but also i'm a fan Star Vs The Forces of Evil & Rick and Morty that I would love to see a crossover series between the 3 Shows. I created this to show that I want this crossover to happen and you if guys don't Star Vs The Forces of Evil & Rick and Morty, you should go watch it, it's a great show to remember about Gravity Falls because these two shows are rememberable experience and look to similar to Gravity Falls of how it does it that Alex Hirsch, Daron Nefcy, Justin Roiland know each other and recently follow each other on twitter and I know this crossover can't happen do to copyright issues to their property between Disney and Adult Swim and also what makes this crossover to not happen is Rick and Morty as a Sitcom show and Disney would really have to censors everything that Rick and Morty has, Star vs can't happen because their show is kind of bummer to something that Disney see that those two wouldn't make sense to the story of what's going in Star vs and to Gravity Falls combining wouldn't fit to story of those two shows.

If i'm wrong, I would be happy with it, and I created this, the characters in this fanart is Moon Butterfly, Morty Smith, Rick Sanchez & Stanford Pines and from Star Vs The Forces of Evil, Gravity Falls & Rick and Morty so what do I think about this fanart and what I said about the crossover?

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

That's a great representation of what Conker would look like in Smash! And now that I'm seeing it, I actually wouldn't mind if Sakurai used the more bushy Conker's Big Reunion model in Smash over the Bad Fur Day design. Big Reunion is essentially just an HD version of the Bad Fur Day design anyway.

Anyway, something we haven't discussed much here is Conker's alternate skins. What designs from the Conker series could be used by Sakurai? Here are some of my ideas:

Default

Live and Reloaded

Diddy Kong Racing/Pocket Tales/Twelve Tales

Gray Squirrel Soldier

Anyone else have any ideas? Those are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. Though seeing him utilize different hats like the crown and Uga Buga crown would be neat.

I sincerely hope they don't go for the Project Spark design, honestly, it's not that bad, but it's way too contrasting to the original Conker design that I love (and also very contrasting to other Rare characters such as ), which is this one:

Oh yeah, this is exactly how I want him, tho I can totally understand why CipherPool decided to include the Project Spark design since it's the only modernized HD version of Conker that we have.

Love your ideas for alternate skins/costumes. I think that his design should stay in his alts, the only thing that would change would be the colours for his fur/skin and his clothing (I'm not sure if this exactly what you were going for, tho It'd be great if they made an SHC soldier as the character itself an alt for Conker, much how they made with all the alts for and one of the alts for .

Another alt that quickly came into my mind is:

Honker the Skunk, since he is known for being "Conker's evil doppleganger", he might have not appear in BFD (which makes him a little less recognizeable), but he is kind of relevant, since he wan even going to be playable in the cancelled sequel, Conker's Other Bad Day.
But yeah, the concept of different hats for Conker's alts is brilliant too, and fits him pretty well.

I definitely do believe that Nintendo itself is a multiverse, and many of the characters each exist on their version of Earth (or wherever else Nintendo characters reside). You're right, the NGU does have a nice ring to it! Unfortunately, though, the Subspace Emissary did not inspire The Avengers, that team has been around in comics since 1963, and Marvel characters have always been interacting with each other... But regardless I want to see if anyone can fully document how this universe works, maybe I'll give it a shot someday.

Oh yeah, that compeletely slipped my mind lol, but I still do believe that the concept of Subspace Emissory, with its dark tone and the "deaths" of some characters, could have a little bit of an impact to the Avengers: Infinity War!

 

[CipherPool]

Conker's height is taller to small characters but he's small compare big characters in Bad Fur Day and what would it look like he was in smash and what would his height be. I noticed that Conker is taller then Diddy which you don't know, when I compare Diddy and Toon Link and I took a closer look, Conker certainly fits that height and he's in smash.

So like this for smash ultimate I think really has a great shot of making it in if Banjo & Kazooie gets it, what's your thoughts of Conker's Height looking like this if this was actually Conker's Height for smash.

Umm Guys I was just making a example of Conker's Height of how he would like if this was his height for smash and you looked at the model that I use is Big Reunion Conker that was the only model that I see to use, I didn't want to use Big Reunion I want to use Bad Fur Day desigh but I couldn't find that model so I was force to use Big Reunion and the model isn't that bad but it's to fury and his clothes are off and seem to big for him.

I want the default desigh because this one is a iconic look for Conker if people know who he is because when making his moveset and bring music fits his character and it really gives me hopes that Sakurai would use Bad Fur Day because this one is more iconic then the others so I'll get my vote that Conker will get in to smash if Banjo & Kazooie also gets in even we need our Rare-Boys back to make the EVERYONE IS HERE phrase.

I'm sorry for using Big Reunion and I knew this would disappoint you guys so i'm sorry for that