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Official 4BR Tier List V4 - Competitive Insight & Analysis

JustCallMeJon

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I'm veeeery interested in the Inklings. It feels like a lot of the top players who got to play with them at E3 (such as ZeRo and Mang0) are a bit too beholden to conventions to have properly dug into them. There's some pretty good footage of Abadango playing them at Rage 2018 though.



I think Hungrybox brought up that laying down Ink tracks on the stage actually gives Inkling better mobility, and according to him, that gives them dash dance options on Melee levels. We haven't seen much of it but if it's true they seem to be mobility monsters (pretty sure VoiD also pointed out that their mobility is pretty OD) and it kinda sounds like any time not spent pushing advantage should be spent inking the stage to get a neutral advantage, kinda like how Cloud should always be charging limit if he's not doing anything. Splat Bombs also seem like a pretty good edgeguarding option, and Roller can ground people even when you use it midair. I wonder whether it's viable as a cross-up option.

Up Smash and Down Smash seem to be their best kill options. I guess one thing that kinda sucks is if Splattershot doesn't have decent startup/recovery then they're a bit exposed while using it since they can't run around while shooting, and that seems to be the quickest way to cover the opponent in ink.
 
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throwing this stuff out here for the sake of documentation

APRIL DATA WRITE-UP


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Monthly character movements


Donkey Kong +0.4%
Sonic +0.3%
Marth +0.3%
Cloud +0.2%
Rosalina & Luma +0.2%
Meta Knight +0.2%
Olimar +0.2%
Greninja +0.2%
Mega Man +0.2%
Mr. Game & Watch +0.2%
Corrin +0.1%
Captain Falcon +0.1%
Ness +0.1%
Sheik +0.1%
Pikachu = 1.9%
Peach = 1.8%
Toon Link =1.4%
Lucina = 1.1%
Samus = 0.9%
Shulk = 0.8%
Zero Suit Samus -0.1%
Luigi -0.1%
R.O.B. -0.1%
Wario -0.1%
Bayonetta -0.2%
Mewtwo -0.2%
Fox -0.2%
Duck Hunt -0.2%
Mario -0.2%
Diddy Kong -0.3%
Ryu -0.6%


Bayonetta: 739.75
Sheik: 463.25
Diddy Kong: 434.75
Cloud: 429
Fox: 376
Sonic: 330.5
Zero Suit Samus: 287
Mario: 281.5
Rosalina & Luma: 262.5
Ryu: 260.5
Mewtwo: 196.25
Corrin: 154.25
Marth: 152.5
Meta Knight: 150
Pikachu: 123
Peach: 117.25
Captain Falcon: 109.5
Luigi: 104
Ness: 100.25
Toon Link: 90
Donkey Kong: 80.5
Mega Man: 76
Duck Hunt: 74
Lucina: 72
Greninja: 69
Mr. Game & Watch: 68
Olimar: 58.5
Wario: 58
Samus: 56.5
Shulk: 54.5
R.O.B.: 52
Villager: 46
Lucario: 45.5
Ike: 45
Lucas: 45
Pac-Man: 42
Yoshi: 41.5
Bowser: 40.25
Little Mac: 40
Link: 33
Roy: 29.75
Charizard: 29
Bowser Jr.: 25
Robin: 16.5
Wii Fit Trainer: 16
Zelda: 15
Pit: 15
Palutena: 13
Falco: 12
Jigglypuff: 11
Dr. Mario: 6.5
Ganondorf: 4
King Dedede: 3
Kirby: 1
Mii Brawler: 1
Mii Gunner: 1

Results Thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-placing-database-scoring-project.437773/

Methodology: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jks0EtmeNemKsm2rXzYf8RB3D43-Ru23ypx_DOnQPDY/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Month: https://smashboards.com/threads/4br...nsight-analysis.452108/page-101#post-22011975

More info/dissection of April and Phase 7 here: https://intheloop837.wordpress.com/...stats-attendance-viewership-and-sponsorships/

MAY DATA WRITE-UP

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Monthly character movements

Cloud +2.6%
Diddy Kong +1.1%
Peach +1%
Zero Suit Samus +0.9%
Shulk +0.8%
Mewtwo +0.7%
Wario +0.6%
Rosalina & Luma +0.5%
Captain Falcon +0.5%
Olimar +0.5%
Ness +0.5%
Luigi +0.5%
Bowser +0.4%
Donkey Kong +0.3%
Lucas +0.1%
Mr. Game & Watch +0.1%
Bayonetta +0.1%
Toon Link = 1.4%
Pikachu -0.1%
Marth -0.2%
Mega Man -0.2%
Lucina -0.3%
Meta Knight -0.3%
Samus -0.4%
Mario -0.5%
Duck Hunt -0.6%
Greninja -0.6%
Corrin -0.7%
Ryu -0.8%
Fox -1%
Sonic -1.7%
Other -1.9%
Sheik -2.6%

It's pretty well established at this point that one-month results from Phases (and May is the start of Phase 8) are usually pretty off-kilter and inaccurate due to the lack of adequate data, so as usual, I wouldn't take much of this or the movements that seriously. As established in my State of Smash 4 report, though, Wario is definitely trending upwards while Villager continues to suffer a fairly harsh decline from his former peaks.


Bayonetta: 224.25
Cloud: 179.5
Diddy Kong: 152
Zero Suit Samus: 102.75
Fox: 94
Sheik: 88.5
Rosalina & Luma: 88.5
Mario: 76.25
Mewtwo: 71
Sonic: 66.5
Ryu: 62
Peach: 54
Captain Falcon: 43
Marth: 42.5
Luigi: 41.5
Ness: 40
Meta Knight: 39.75
Pikachu: 34.5
Corrin: 33
Shulk: 31
Wario: 29.5
Donkey Kong: 29
Olimar: 27.5
Toon Link: 27
Mr. Game & Watch: 23
Bowser: 20.25
Mega Man: 19.5
Lucina: 16
Lucas: 15.5
Villager: 15.5
Little Mac: 15
Yoshi: 13
R.O.B.: 12
Roy: 10
Duck Hunt: 10
Greninja: 10
Pac-Man: 10
Lucario: 10
Samus: 10
Robin: 9
Bowser Jr.: 9
Link: 7
Jigglypuff: 5.5
Charizard: 5
Ike: 5
Wii Fit Trainer: 4
Ganondorf: 3
King Dedede: 1.75
Falco: 1.5
Mii Brawler: 1
Mii Gunner: 1
Zelda: 1

Results Thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-placing-database-scoring-project.437773/

Methodology: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jks0EtmeNemKsm2rXzYf8RB3D43-Ru23ypx_DOnQPDY/edit?usp=sharing
 
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Iridium

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The_Bookworm said:
Hyrule Saga is added to the PGR list. It is going to be the season's first A+ tiered event! 740 Attendees!


PGR'ed Players
Salem:4bayonetta:
Nairo:4zss:
MkLeo:4marth::4cloud2:
Tweek:4cloud2::4bayonetta:
Dabuz:rosalina:
Larry Lurr:4fox:
VoiD:4sheik:
Mr. R:4sheik:
Elegant:4luigi:
WaDi:4mewtwo:
Ally:4mario:
komorikiri:4cloud2::4sonic:
Cosmos:4corrinf:
Captain Zack:4bayonetta2:
Marss:4zss:
ANTi:4mario::4cloud2::4zss:
Samsora:4peach:
Lima:4bayonetta2:
Darkshad:4ryu:
Mr. E:4lucina::4marth:
Raito:4duckhunt:
NAKAT:4fox::4ness:
Charlie:4fox::4bayonetta2:
falln:rosalina:
Light:4fox:
K9sbruce:4sheik::4diddy:
Zenyou:4mario:
AC:4metaknight:

Notable Players
Eon:4fox:
Javi:4sheik::4cloud:
Stroder:4greninja:
Legit:4diddy:
Rags:4metaknight:
SDX:4mewtwo:
Captain L:4pikachu:
Karna:4sheik:
Sigma:4tlink:
T:4link:
sinnyboo242:4sheik:
BestNess:4ness:
Ri-ma:4tlink:
Dynamo:4cloud2:
Zephyr:4cloud2:
Vermillion:4cloud2:
big_mak:4sheik:
Blank:4sheik:
Zan:4tlink:
S2H:4metaknight:
DSS:4metaknight:
VaLoR:4sonic:
Meteor:4sonic:
Biddy:4tlink:
Scizor:4link:
PiXL:4ryu:
Aarvark:4villager:
Chag:4bayonetta2:
Rich Brown:4mewtwo:
Koolaid:4sheik:
Razo:4peach:
3xA:4tlink:
Nom:4sheik:
Taternator:4wendy:
Mekos:4lucas:
Rizeasu:4bowser::4marth::4zelda:
Soulimar:4olimar:
NovaPixl:4lucas:
Candy:4fox:
Kswz:4pit:
yeti:4tlink::4megaman:
Maister:4gaw:
ShiNe:4lucas::4villager:
Mago:4bowser:
Kiraflax:4pit::4darkpit:
ven:4zelda:
Onpu:4zelda:
TLTC:4palutena:
Adom:4ganondorf:
pu55yk1ng:4littlemac:
Cagt:4littlemac:
Purple Guy:4zelda:
Izaw:4link:
Daybreak:4falco:
Keitaro:4falco::4miibrawl:
AEMehr:4miigun:
Pon:4ganondorf:
Ray Kalm:4ganondorf:
Death Arcana:4palutena:


This is indeed a Sheik invasion. XD
If there is anyone else, let me know and I will update this list.
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If I am not mistaken, Rizeasu is not going anymore from what I have heard.
 
The_Bookworm

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Das Koopa said:
throwing this stuff out here for the sake of documentation

APRIL DATA WRITE-UP


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Monthly character movements


Donkey Kong +0.4%
Sonic +0.3%
Marth +0.3%
Cloud +0.2%
Rosalina & Luma +0.2%
Meta Knight +0.2%
Olimar +0.2%
Greninja +0.2%
Mega Man +0.2%
Mr. Game & Watch +0.2%
Corrin +0.1%
Captain Falcon +0.1%
Ness +0.1%
Sheik +0.1%
Pikachu = 1.9%
Peach = 1.8%
Toon Link =1.4%
Lucina = 1.1%
Samus = 0.9%
Shulk = 0.8%
Zero Suit Samus -0.1%
Luigi -0.1%
R.O.B. -0.1%
Wario -0.1%
Bayonetta -0.2%
Mewtwo -0.2%
Fox -0.2%
Duck Hunt -0.2%
Mario -0.2%
Diddy Kong -0.3%
Ryu -0.6%


Bayonetta: 739.75
Sheik: 463.25
Diddy Kong: 434.75
Cloud: 429
Fox: 376
Sonic: 330.5
Zero Suit Samus: 287
Mario: 281.5
Rosalina & Luma: 262.5
Ryu: 260.5
Mewtwo: 196.25
Corrin: 154.25
Marth: 152.5
Meta Knight: 150
Pikachu: 123
Peach: 117.25
Captain Falcon: 109.5
Luigi: 104
Ness: 100.25
Toon Link: 90
Donkey Kong: 80.5
Mega Man: 76
Duck Hunt: 74
Lucina: 72
Greninja: 69
Mr. Game & Watch: 68
Olimar: 58.5
Wario: 58
Samus: 56.5
Shulk: 54.5
R.O.B.: 52
Villager: 46
Lucario: 45.5
Ike: 45
Lucas: 45
Pac-Man: 42
Yoshi: 41.5
Bowser: 40.25
Little Mac: 40
Link: 33
Roy: 29.75
Charizard: 29
Bowser Jr.: 25
Robin: 16.5
Wii Fit Trainer: 16
Zelda: 15
Pit: 15
Palutena: 13
Falco: 12
Jigglypuff: 11
Dr. Mario: 6.5
Ganondorf: 4
King Dedede: 3
Kirby: 1
Mii Brawler: 1
Mii Gunner: 1

Results Thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-placing-database-scoring-project.437773/

Methodology: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jks0EtmeNemKsm2rXzYf8RB3D43-Ru23ypx_DOnQPDY/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Month: https://smashboards.com/threads/4br...nsight-analysis.452108/page-101#post-22011975

More info/dissection of April and Phase 7 here: https://intheloop837.wordpress.com/...stats-attendance-viewership-and-sponsorships/

MAY DATA WRITE-UP

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Monthly character movements

Cloud +2.6%
Diddy Kong +1.1%
Peach +1%
Zero Suit Samus +0.9%
Shulk +0.8%
Mewtwo +0.7%
Wario +0.6%
Rosalina & Luma +0.5%
Captain Falcon +0.5%
Olimar +0.5%
Ness +0.5%
Luigi +0.5%
Bowser +0.4%
Donkey Kong +0.3%
Lucas +0.1%
Mr. Game & Watch +0.1%
Bayonetta +0.1%
Toon Link = 1.4%
Pikachu -0.1%
Marth -0.2%
Mega Man -0.2%
Lucina -0.3%
Meta Knight -0.3%
Samus -0.4%
Mario -0.5%
Duck Hunt -0.6%
Greninja -0.6%
Corrin -0.7%
Ryu -0.8%
Fox -1%
Sonic -1.7%
Other -1.9%
Sheik -2.6%

It's pretty well established at this point that one-month results from Phases (and May is the start of Phase 8) are usually pretty off-kilter and inaccurate due to the lack of adequate data, so as usual, I wouldn't take much of this or the movements that seriously. As established in my State of Smash 4 report, though, Wario is definitely trending upwards while Villager continues to suffer a fairly harsh decline from his former peaks.


Bayonetta: 224.25
Cloud: 179.5
Diddy Kong: 152
Zero Suit Samus: 102.75
Fox: 94
Sheik: 88.5
Rosalina & Luma: 88.5
Mario: 76.25
Mewtwo: 71
Sonic: 66.5
Ryu: 62
Peach: 54
Captain Falcon: 43
Marth: 42.5
Luigi: 41.5
Ness: 40
Meta Knight: 39.75
Pikachu: 34.5
Corrin: 33
Shulk: 31
Wario: 29.5
Donkey Kong: 29
Olimar: 27.5
Toon Link: 27
Mr. Game & Watch: 23
Bowser: 20.25
Mega Man: 19.5
Lucina: 16
Lucas: 15.5
Villager: 15.5
Little Mac: 15
Yoshi: 13
R.O.B.: 12
Roy: 10
Duck Hunt: 10
Greninja: 10
Pac-Man: 10
Lucario: 10
Samus: 10
Robin: 9
Bowser Jr.: 9
Link: 7
Jigglypuff: 5.5
Charizard: 5
Ike: 5
Wii Fit Trainer: 4
Ganondorf: 3
King Dedede: 1.75
Falco: 1.5
Mii Brawler: 1
Mii Gunner: 1
Zelda: 1

Results Thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-placing-database-scoring-project.437773/

Methodology: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jks0EtmeNemKsm2rXzYf8RB3D43-Ru23ypx_DOnQPDY/edit?usp=sharing
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Quite interesting trends here. Also, what happened to Ike at May 2018? How did Shulk rise so high at that said month?
 
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TDK said:
You put IzAw on the list, and he's miles ahead of IzAw, so...

EDIT: here's some VoDs so you can see for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NIzEI0CgLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16LxQbxZlY
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Yeah, Espeon is probably a safe #3. After he moved, I lost track of him, but it looks like he is still pretty good.

Side note: I’m not sure if Link will retain some degree of grab combos, but if he does, I’d imagine that T-style Link will end up pretty strong. No tether grab is potentially amazing, but only as good as what he can get off of it.
The main difference that I see between T and the other Links, beside item usage, is that he just takes advantage of fear. T bearing down on you with over 100% worth of rage makes most top players not named Dabuz sweat pretty hard.
 
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TDK said:
The dev on the treehouse stream right now seemed to confirm that the slowdown on perfect-shielding scales with the move:

"If you perfect shield an A move (jab), you'll only have enough time to punish with another A move (jab)"

So it looks like it depends on the move, like how Witch Time should work. It's effectively another counter.

Also, Link's bombs no longer detonate on contact. That's a huge nerf. Hopefully Remote Bomb setups are just that good to make up for it.
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I suppose we have the two other links to work with Incase the nerfs Do hurt link
 
Iridium

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TDK said:
The dev on the treehouse stream right now seemed to confirm that the slowdown on perfect-shielding scales with the move:

"If you perfect shield an A move (jab), you'll only have enough time to punish with another A move (jab)"

So it looks like it depends on the move, like how Witch Time should work. It's effectively another counter.

Also, Link's bombs no longer detonate on contact. That's a huge nerf. Hopefully Remote Bomb setups are just that good to make up for it.
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I will not call it a huge nerf, but I see your point. Remote Bombs to have a small hitbox when thrown, which I hear can combo into the explosion. However, characters who can easily take it away, like Villager, can prevent Link from taking out another one. However, it is possible Link may have a more reliable bomb recovery by z-dropping a bomb after pulling it out, detonating it, and recovering. Also, the blast radius may be larger than Young and Toon Link's own. I would say the bombs come with pros and cons, and if there was anything that should be buffed about them, it should be detonating bombs held by opponents or making Link pull them out faster (not sure about multiple bombs being out).
 
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Iridium said:
I will not call it a huge nerf, but I see your point. Remote Bombs to have a small hitbox when thrown, which I hear can combo into the explosion. However, characters who can easily take it away, like Villager, can prevent Link from taking out another one. However, it is possible Link may have a more reliable bomb recovery by z-dropping a bomb after pulling it out, detonating it, and recovering. Also, the blast radius may be larger than Young and Toon Link's own. I would say the bombs come with pros and cons, and if there was anything that should be buffed about them, it should be detonating bombs held by opponents or making Link pull them out faster (not sure about multiple bombs being out).
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Multiple bombs in the field would give Link neutral similar to that of Morrigan of UMvC3: The entire field would belong to him and win almost every chance at neutral so I don't think it would be a good idea to give him 2 bombs.

I do agree that Link having the ability to detonate them while the opponent is holding the bomb would be a good buff for him because currently, it literally takes away his Down B.
 
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Mr E has found a sponsor, with Will 2 Win Gaming. He will be with them until Smash Ultimate releases, ni a similar vein as Dabuz.
 
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Iridium said:
https://smash.gg/tournament/2gg-hyrule-saga/events

Brackets for 2GG: Hyrule Saga have been released! I am actually scared for a lot of players, with a low chance of many notable top players not projected to get far.
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On that same note, to the best of my knowledge, projected highest placing of solo mains for each Hyrule character (rip Ganon):
:4sheik:: 5th (VoiD)
:4tlink:: 25th (Sigma)
:4link:: 33rd (T)
:4zelda:: 65th (Onpu/ven)
:4ganondorf:: 129th (Ray Kalm/adom/Rhino (Opana)/ParagonX9/Rickles/Pon/MGK/Left Nut)
Not a single Ganondorf main is projected to make it out of pools. Additionally, the most likely character I expect could get a boost via secondary use is Zelda, with either Rizeasu (projected 33rd) or, less likely, Nairo (projected 2nd). Sheik may also see some secondary use, but will likely not make much impact on the highest placing.
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8skvww/2gg_hyrule_saga_wii_u_seeds/

Here is the seeding for 2GG: Hyrule Saga. If you think some seedings are off, you are not alone. With some seedings, we may get interesting matches. Sigma :4tlink:, for example, is projected to beat Darkshad :4ryu: to make top 32 losers. The brackets relating to this may change, and when it does, I will check it. Also, as I said earlier, Rizeasu seemed to say that he will not be going, so do not pay too much attention to him here.
 
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Hyrule Saga pools:

4 make it out, one in winners and 3 in losers.
A1: Tweek :4cloud2: :4bayonetta2: vs Phoenix :4sonic:, Strike :4sheik: and Halo :4link: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ray Kalm :4ganondorf:, JoJoDaHoBo :4tlink:

A2: Dabuz :rosalina: vs Zan :4tlink: :4metaknight:, EU Light :4sheik: and Shoe :4zss: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A
Yes, that is the European Sheik main Light, not the PGR Fox main light.

A3: Salem :4sheik: vs Meteor :4sonic:, Cacogen :4sheik: and Cyro :4falco: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Adom :4ganondorf:

A4: Samsora :4peach: :rosalina: vs Yeti :4tlink: :4megaman:, ItsSonic :4tlink: and Onpu :4zelda: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Rhino (Opana) :4ganondorf:

B1: MKLeo :4cloud2: :4marth: :4bayonetta2: vs Zaki :4dedede:, Scizor :4link: and Tearbear :4falcon: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Snugs :4ryu:, Dingus Joe :4gaw:

B2: Lima :4bayonetta2: vs Sinnyboo242 :4sheik:, SilentRain :4mario: and Mekos :4lucas: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: SM :4myfriends:

B3: Cosmos :4corrinf: vs Aperture :4sonic:, Dynamo :4cloud2: :4sheik: and Prodigy :4sheik: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: IzAw :4link:

B4: Elegant :4luigi: vs Blank :4sheik:, Zephyr :4cloud2: :4littlemac: and FroZn :4mario: :4luigi: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A

C1: Nairo :4zss: :4bowser: vs Kibzu~ :4sheik: :4bayonetta2:, TLTC :4palutena: and Felix :4fox: :4metaknight: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A

C2: Larry Lurr :4fox: vs PiXL :4ryu:, Lui$ :4mario: and R1HKami :4mewtwo: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: US RIN :4link:, 7 :4link:, Dr. Copter :4greninja:
Sadly, the RIN in this bracket is not the Japanese Wii Fit Trainer RIN.

C3: Captain Zack :4bayonetta2: vs Aarvark :4villager:, BaSK 3xA :4tlink: and TheFlow :4feroy: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Zion :4corrinf:

C4: Captain L :4pikachu: :4jigglypuff: vs DSS :4metaknight:, Biddy :4tlink: and Cat :4link: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ninry :4lucina:, Charger :4ness:

D1: VoiD :4sheik: vs VaLoR :4ryu:, IC :4diddy: and Winds :4tlink: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Arrow :4link:

D2: Komorikiri :4cloud2: :4sonic: vs Rich Brown :4mewtwo:, Diablo :4ryu: and JumboJack :4diddy: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Rickles :4ganondorf:, Death Arcana :4palutena:

D3: Abadango :4bayonetta2: :4mewtwo: vs Mr. Con Con :4luigi:, Soulimar :4olimar: and JDizzle :4tlink: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Dr. DORF :4ganondorf:

D4: ANTi :4mario: :4cloud2: :4zss: vs Stroder :4greninja:, Phuzix :4sheik: and Ogey :4falcon: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Nayru :4zelda:, Captain Andrew :4sonic:

E1: Tyroy :4bayonetta2: vs K9Sbruce :4sheik: :4diddy:, Magister :4charizard: and King Koopa :4bowser: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Espeon•CH :4link:, Pu55yK1ng :4littlemac:

E2: Mr. E :4lucina: :4marth: vs Chag :4bayonetta2:, Vash :4littlemac: and Candy :4fox: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: BMC :4pacman:

E3: Marss :4zss: vs Maister :4gaw:, ShiNe :4lucas: :4villager :substitute: and orochiwolf :4sonic: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Tsage :4link:

E4; Zenyou :4mario: vs DarkShad :4ryu:, Ki :4ryu: and Calculus :4bayonetta2: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Dragon :4sheik:

F1: Falln :rosalina: vs Koolaid :4sheik:, Ven :4zelda: and Snoop :4yoshi: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Pon :4ganondorf:

F2: Ac :4metaknight: :4falco: vs SDX :4mewtwo:, Keitaro :4falco: and Pandarian :4metaknight: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Floppeh :4sheik:, Das :4tlink:

F3: Javi :4sheik: :4cloud2: vs T :4link:, JumpSteady :4zss: and L.U.C.Y. :4tlink: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Mago_FFF :4ganondorf:, Glentendo :4link: :4tlink:, Onua :4palutena: :4ganondorf:, Bloodynite :4ganondorf:, The Countess :4zelda:

F4: WaDi :4mewtwo: :4rob: vs Rizeasu :substitute:, Taternator :4wendy: and Virus :4rob: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: MGK :4ganondorf:, Vermanubis :4ganondorf:, Kswz :4corrinf:

F5: Shuton :4olimar: vs Karna :4sheik:, S2H :4metaknight: and Purple Guy :4zelda: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: TLOreo :4tlink:, Lord Bahamut :4ganondorf:

F6: Sigma :4tlink: vs Eon :4fox: :4bayonetta2:, Horse :4ness: :4bayonetta2: and AEMehr :4miigun: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ike Tyson :4myfriends:

G1: Light :4fox: vs BestNess :4ness:, Nom :4sheik: and NCJacobT :4pikachu: :4bayonetta2: :4ryu: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: K0Rean :4fox:, TastyComaWife :4tlink:

G2: Mr. R :4sheik: vs Razo :4peach:, Vermillion :4cloud2: and Gohan :4mario: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A

G3: Ally :4mario: vs Ri-Ma :4tlink:, NovaPixl :4lucas: :4ness: :substitute: and KiraFlax :4darkpit: :4pit: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: VinS :4link: :4tlink:, Rvrproduct :4pikachu:

G4: Raito :4duckhunt: vs NAKAT :4ness: :4fox:, Ur-N8kedgrandma :4mewtwo: and Daybreak :4falco: :4cloud2: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ketchup :4roy: (that's not a typo), Matt Hazard :4ganondorf:

G5: Kameme :4megaman: :4sheik: vs Legit :4diddy:, Big_Mak :4sheik: and Z :4pikachu: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: MVL :4sheik: :4wario:, Cagt :4littlemac: :4feroy:

G6: Charlie :4fox: :4bayonetta2: vs Rags :4metaknight:, Skylar :4gaw: and Meru :4peach: :4zelda: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Shinta :4robinf:, Dante :4zelda:, Dren :4yoshi:

Man, that's a lot of pools.
 
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Hyrule Saga pools:

4 make it out, one in winners and 3 in losers.
A1: Tweek :4cloud2::4bayonetta2: vs Phoenix :4sonic:, Strike :4sheik: and Halo :4link: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ray Kalm :4ganondorf:, JoJoDaHoBo :4tlink:

A2: Dabuz :rosalina: vs Zan :4tlink::4metaknight:, EU Light :4sheik: and Shoe :4zss: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A
Yes, that is the European Sheik main Light, not the PGR Fox main light.

A3: Salem :4sheik: vs Meteor :4sonic:, Cacogen :4sheik: and Cyro :4falco: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Adom :4ganondorf:

A4: Samsora :4peach::rosalina: vs Yeti :4tlink::4megaman:, ItsSonic :4tlink: and Onpu :4zelda: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Rhino (Opana) :4ganondorf:

B1: MKLeo :4cloud2::4marth::4bayonetta2: vs Zaki :4dedede:, Scizor :4link: and Tearbear :4falcon: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Snugs :4ryu:, Dingus Joe :4gaw:

B2: Lima :4bayonetta2: vs Sinnyboo242 :4sheik:, SilentRain :4mario: and Mekos :4lucas: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: SM :4myfriends:

B3: Cosmos :4corrinf: vs Aperture :4sonic:, Dynamo :4cloud2::4sheik: and Prodigy :4sheik: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: IzAw :4link:

B4: Elegant :4luigi: vs Blank :4sheik:, Zephyr :4cloud2::4littlemac: and FroZn :4mario::4luigi: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A

C1: Nairo :4zss::4bowser: vs Kibzu~ :4sheik::4bayonetta2:, TLTC :4palutena: and Felix :4fox::4metaknight: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A

C2: Larry Lurr :4fox: vs PiXL :4ryu:, Lui$ :4mario: and R1HKami :4mewtwo: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: US RIN :4link:, 7 :4link:, Dr. Copter :4greninja:
Sadly, the RIN in this bracket is not the Japanese Wii Fit Trainer RIN.

C3: Captain Zack :4bayonetta2: vs Aarvark :4villager:, BaSK 3xA :4tlink: and TheFlow :4feroy: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Zion :4corrinf:

C4: Captain L :4pikachu::4jigglypuff: vs DSS :4metaknight:, Biddy :4tlink: and Cat :4link: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ninry :4lucina:, Charger :4ness:

D1: VoiD :4sheik: vs VaLoR :4ryu:, IC :4diddy: and Winds :4tlink: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Arrow :4link:

D2: Komorikiri :4cloud2::4sonic: vs Rich Brown :4mewtwo:, Diablo :4ryu: and JumboJack :4diddy: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Rickles :4ganondorf:, Death Arcana :4palutena:

D3: Abadango :4bayonetta2::4mewtwo: vs Mr. Con Con :4luigi:, Soulimar :4olimar: and JDizzle :4tlink: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Dr. DORF :4ganondorf:

D4: ANTi :4mario::4cloud2::4zss: vs Stroder :4greninja:, Phuzix :4sheik: and Ogey :4falcon: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Nayru :4zelda:, Captain Andrew :4sonic:

E1: Tyroy :4bayonetta2: vs K9Sbruce :4sheik::4diddy:, Magister :4charizard: and King Koopa :4bowser: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Espeon•CH :4link:, Pu55yK1ng :4littlemac:

E2: Mr. E :4lucina::4marth: vs Chag :4bayonetta2:, Vash :4littlemac: and Candy :4fox: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: BMC :4pacman:

E3: Marss :4zss: vs Maister :4gaw:, ShiNe :4lucas: :4villager :substitute: and orochiwolf :4sonic: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Tsage :4link:

E4; Zenyou :4mario: vs DarkShad :4ryu:, Ki :4ryu: and Calculus :4bayonetta2: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Dragon :4sheik:

F1: Falln :rosalina: vs Koolaid :4sheik:, Ven :4zelda: and Snoop :4yoshi: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Pon :4ganondorf:

F2: Ac :4metaknight::4falco: vs SDX :4mewtwo:, Keitaro :4falco: and Pandarian :4metaknight: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Floppeh :4sheik:, Das :4tlink:

F3: Javi :4sheik::4cloud2: vs T :4link:, JumpSteady :4zss: and L.U.C.Y. :4tlink: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Mago_FFF :4ganondorf:, Glentendo :4link::4tlink:, Onua :4palutena::4ganondorf:, Bloodynite :4ganondorf:, The Countess :4zelda:

F4: WaDi :4mewtwo::4rob: vs Rizeasu :substitute:, Taternator :4wendy: and Virus :4rob: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: MGK :4ganondorf:, Vermanubis :4ganondorf:, Kswz :4corrinf:

F5: Shuton :4olimar: vs Karna :4sheik:, S2H :4metaknight: and Purple Guy :4zelda: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: TLOreo :4tlink:, Lord Bahamut :4ganondorf:

F6: Sigma :4tlink: vs Eon :4fox::4bayonetta2:, Horse :4ness::4bayonetta2: and AEMehr :4miigun: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ike Tyson :4myfriends:

G1: Light :4fox: vs BestNess :4ness:, Nom :4sheik: and NCJacobT :4pikachu::4bayonetta2::4ryu: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: K0Rean :4fox:, TastyComaWife :4tlink:

G2: Mr. R :4sheik: vs Razo :4peach:, Vermillion :4cloud2: and Gohan :4mario: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: N/A

G3: Ally :4mario: vs Ri-Ma :4tlink:, NovaPixl :4lucas::4ness::substitute: and KiraFlax :4darkpit::4pit: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: VinS :4link::4tlink:, Rvrproduct :4pikachu:

G4: Raito :4duckhunt: vs NAKAT :4ness::4fox:, Ur-N8kedgrandma :4mewtwo: and Daybreak :4falco::4cloud2: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Ketchup :4roy: (that's not a typo), Matt Hazard :4ganondorf:

G5: Kameme :4megaman::4sheik: vs Legit :4diddy:, Big_Mak :4sheik: and Z :4pikachu: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: MVL :4sheik::4wario:, Cagt :4littlemac::4feroy:

G6: Charlie :4fox::4bayonetta2: vs Rags :4metaknight:, Skylar :4gaw: and Meru :4peach::4zelda: in losers
Other notable players/Hyrule heroes: Shinta :4robinf:, Dante :4zelda:, Dren :4yoshi:

Man, that's a lot of pools.
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I think Rizeasu tweeted that he is not going, so I am not sure how his bracket/pool will be affected.

Edit: Here it is:
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MarioManTAW said:
On that same note, to the best of my knowledge, projected highest placing of solo mains for each Hyrule character (rip Ganon):
:4sheik:: 5th (VoiD)
:4tlink:: 25th (Sigma)
:4link:: 33rd (T)
:4zelda:: 65th (Onpu/ven)
:4ganondorf:: 129th (Ray Kalm/adom/Rhino (Opana)/ParagonX9/Rickles/Pon/MGK/Left Nut)
Not a single Ganondorf main is projected to make it out of pools. Additionally, the most likely character I expect could get a boost via secondary use is Zelda, with either Rizeasu (projected 33rd) or, less likely, Nairo (projected 2nd). Sheik may also see some secondary use, but will likely not make much impact on the highest placing.
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Wow. The tournament seedings are not optimistic on Ganondorf at all. In comparison, zaki is shown to have 64 seeding in this tournament.

Needless to say, this tournament may either surprise a lot of people, or just fall into their hands as expected.
 
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The second and last A+ tier tourney of the PGR v5 season will be CEO 2018! EVO 2018 will now mean nothing, which hurts for what will be Choco's second appearance and shky's first appearance in the US.
 
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EVO 2018 will now mean nothing, which hurts for what will be Choco's second appearance and shky's first appearance in the US.
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Not sure about that. Yes, PGRv5 ends immediately after CEO, but it's entirely possible (especially since Ultimate doesn't come until December) that there will be a PGRv6, which would include EVO.
 
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Not sure about that. Yes, PGRv5 ends immediately after CEO, but it's entirely possible (especially since Ultimate doesn't come until December) that there will be a PGRv6, which would include EVO.
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That is possible. The PG Stats team noted that they would have a special announcement after the end of the PGR v5 season, and I wonder what it is.

Looking at Hyrule Saga, I wonder what upsets will happen. We could get Lima :4bayonetta2: vs. Sinnyboo242 :4sheik:. Zaki :4dedede: is projected to face MkLeo :4marth::4cloud2::4bayonetta2: in winners finals of his bracket.
 
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Watching Raito win Triforce Friday without dropping a single set was a work of art to watch. He pushed Duck hunt to his limits. Really made Duck Hunt look amazing. At the end of the day, Duck Hunt looked like he had, well, virtually everything. Combos, combo breaker, can protecting him during recovery...what didn't he have? Raw kill power. Mewtwo was living till like, 160 on some stocks. Duck Hunt's kill power almost cost him some crucial games.

But yeah. Raito's performance really solidified Duck hunt as a top of the middle tier character, at worst.

Best GFS in a while.
 
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Zaki :4dedede:beat MKLeo:4cloud2::4marth: 2-1 in pools!

Leo's MU inexperience put him in a bad disadvantage as he was unable to defeat Zaki.
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That fact that it is the rarest super heavyweight doesn't help. XD
If Leo went Bayo, I would guaranteed that there was no way Zaki would win.
 
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A shame Zaki will get blown away in bracket unless he has other characters up his sleeve.

Let's keep it real guys.
 
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Elegant and stroder take grands in doubles over samsora and cosmos.

Another reminder that since the cloud ban, Luigi(elegant) has taken TWO doubles A+ tournaments in a row(?) (Smash n splash, Hyrule saga)

I think we all severely underestimate Luigi n doubles.
 
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Diablo :4ryu:2-0 komorikiri :4sonic:
Komo's unfamiliarity with the Ryu matchup may have cost him, Diablo played solidly and controlled the match managing to land those true shoryus.
 
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It is worth talking about Cloud's... lack of presence at the last two (Cloud-legal) large doubles events. As someone who was on-board the doubles Cloud ban, this is somewhere between surprising and embarrassing.

This is statistically similar to having back-to-back Brawl events with no MKs in top 8. Does anyone have any insights into this?
 
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