Official 4BR Tier List V3 - Competitive Insight & Analysis

[origamiscienceguy]

Can someone explain to me what this "amateur bracket" and "pro bracket" business is all about? Wouldn't that result in all the pros getting knocked out early?

 

[Lord Dio]

Komo lost to Zack and now is now in the shark tank that is Losers.
If it was larry and not komo I'd be a little less concerned but aaaahhhhh
this is gonna be scary to go through

 

[TDK]

2GGC: MKLeo Saga top 48

Winners:
ZeRo vs WaDi
VoiD vs Lima
Abadango vs MKLeo
Larry Lurr vs Captain Zack
Salem vs Captain L
Dabuz vs Elegant
Nairo vs Kirihara
Tweek vs Samsora

Losers:
Marss vs Falln
Mr. E vs K9Sbruce
Razo vs Ned
Zinoto vs Meteor
Mr. R vs Zenyou
MVD vs Rich Brown
Luhtie vs Ac
HIKARU vs Xzax
Komorikiri vs Charliedaking
Tsu- vs Mistake
ESAM vs Tyrant
T vs KEN ( ;~; )
Raito vs Stroder
DSS vs Javi
Kameme vs Eon

Notably drowned:
Static Manny (Lost to Razo and MastaMario )
Shuton (Lost to DSS and K9Sbruce )
Locus (Lost to Lima and Meteor )

So, anyone got predictions?

 

[Wintermelon43]

2GGC: MKLeo Saga top 48

Winners:
ZeRo vs WaDi
VoiD vs Lima
Abadango vs MKLeo
Larry Lurr vs Captain Zack
Salem vs Captain L
Dabuz vs Elegant
Nairo vs Kirihara
Tweek vs Samsora

Losers:
Marss vs Falln
Mr. E vs K9Sbruce
Razo vs Ned
Zinoto vs Meteor
Mr. R vs Zenyou
MVD vs Rich Brown
Luhtie vs Ac
HIKARU vs Xzax
Komorikiri vs Charliedaking
Tsu- vs Mistake
ESAM vs Tyrant
T vs KEN ( ;~; )
Raito vs Stroder
DSS vs Javi
Kameme vs Eon

Notably drowned:
Static Manny (Lost to Razo and MastaMario )
Shuton (Lost to DSS and K9Sbruce )
Locus (Lost to Lima and Meteor )

So, anyone got predictions?

Sorry, but is the rest of this being streamed today or tomorrow?

 

[Lord Dio]

Sorry, but is the rest of this being streamed today or tomorrow?

today, one day tournament

 

[TDK]

Sorry, but is the rest of this being streamed today or tomorrow?

Right now:
https://go.twitch.tv/2ggaming
https://go.twitch.tv/esasmash

(It seems a little late to make a thread for a one-day event that's halfway done)

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

Can someone explain to me what this "amateur bracket" and "pro bracket" business is all about? Wouldn't that result in all the pros getting knocked out early?

Amateur bracket is the redemption bracket I believe for when players get knocked out very early in a tournament. That way they can still play the game.

 

[Deleted member]

Kon'nichiwa. Watashi wa Kawai Shizuka, go-jū-roku-sai desu.

I feel nervous about posting on this particular thread for the first time, but I, a non-competitive yet knowledgeable female smasher, want to make a prediction or two. I predict that MKLeo will come out on top, but there's nothing that will please me more than to see one of the five remaining players take home first place.

Sayonara

 

[TDK]

WaDi 3-1 ZeRo

!!!!!!

 

[The-Technique]

People should definitely take notes from MK Leo in how he handles Bayonetta, he lets no opening go unpunished and he knows exactly where and when to hit her.

Also....WADI 3-1 over Zero.

 

[ARISTOS]

Stop Monkey Flipping in disadvantage ZeRo.

Jesus Christ

 

[Guido65]

According to raito t ken went to game 5. He is really improving vs sonic.

KEN 3-2 T

 

[Lord Dio]

well......WaDi vs Lima for a spot in top 8 of an S+ tier
what a world

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Kon'nichiwa. Watashi wa Kawai Shizuka, go-jū-roku-sai desu.

I feel nervous about posting on this particular thread for the first time, but I, a non-competitive yet knowledgeable female smasher, want to make a prediction or two. I predict that MKLeo will come out on top, but there's nothing that will please me more than to see one of the five remaining players take home first place.

Sayonara

Wait, you’re 56 years old?

 

[Y2Kay]

WaDi finally proving that Mewtwo doesn't get curbstomped by Diddy.

The general pessisim over that MU by the Mewtwo community is the main reason I stopped playing him. Glad WaDi gives me hope though.

Wait, you’re 56 years old?

It's rude to ask a lady her age.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

HIKARU vs Zero is gonna happen. Please be streamed.

 

[Guido65]

Went to check the linkcord to see what T did wrong vs zinoto and here's the one thing I saw another link say was that he didn't rely on up b oos vs diddy and bomb in shield vs diddy. He never opted for those so he could have access to up smash and grab which is awful vs diddy and that he played the matchup badly:
The image that didn't work was the one that said he had to abuse up b oos well in the mu.

[picture redacted: Language]

 

[Lord Dio]

k9 beat mr e and marrss, whoah
NOOOOO KOMO

 

[Skeeter Mania]

WaDi finally proving that Mewtwo doesn't get curbstomped by Diddy.

The general pessisim over that MU by the Mewtwo community is the main reason I stopped playing him. Glad WaDi gives me hope though.


It's rude to ask a lady her age.

Who knows? A whole semester of 日本語 can help.

 

[|RK|]

WaDi 3-1 ZeRo

!!!!!!

KING OF THE NORTH

(technically East, but whatever)

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Poor HIKARU, he lost to Zero and Salem, #1 and debatably #2. Got very unlucky bracket wise.

 

[ぱみゅ]

HIKARU vs Zero is gonna happen. Please be streamed.

Stream prioritised Winners' sets, and I'm glad they're sticking to that.
ZeRo won 3-1.

 

[TDK]

K9's been on a warpath through losers right now:

3-0 over Mr. E
3-1 over Marss
3-1 over Captain Zack

Currently in top 16 playing Abadango.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Wadi 3-1 Lima

Honestly at this point Wadi > Abadango

 

[|RK|]

M D V A B O Y Z
And yeah, I'm pretty sure the numbers say WaDi is better than Aba at this point.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Ken tweeted that he is “done with Sonic/Bayo” the only other character he could use is Cloud that I can think of that he actually plays so does anyone know other chars he uses besides those two?

 

[TDK]

Captain L outplaces ESAM, and being from PNW this makes me very happy.

Also, I can't remember the last time Salem took a game off of Dabuz but it certainly wasn't here. Dabuz plays neutral so well that Salem doesn't even get a chance to combo him.

 

[Guido65]

Honestly aba would be far better off sticking to with his secondary/picket rather than mostly using . His mewtwo got relatively rusty when he started mostly using bayonetta, and as far as results go he's kinda been doing worse off with her compared to what he placed. I think if he goes back to mewtwo his results will improve again since it appears this is a time when switching to bayonetta clearly didn't work out.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Guess Captain L is the best Pikachu kappa

 

[Wintermelon43]

Ken tweeted that he is “done with Sonic/Bayo” the only other character he could use is Cloud that I can think of that he actually plays so does anyone know other chars he uses besides those two?

If you feel like Bayo isn't good enough for you to use, then you're not going to find a good enough character.

 

[TDK]

Mr. R 3-2 ZeRo

 

[Wintermelon43]

MKLeo might break the curse this time.

 

[|RK|]

Damn, Mr. R finally got the W. Sad as a ZeRo fan, but good for Mr. R all the same - he's been working for it.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

If you feel like Bayo isn't good enough for you to use, then you're not going to find a good enough character.

Oh should of made that more clear. He’s done with the matchup Sonic Vs Bayonetta

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Is the Bayo MU thst bad for Sonic. I thought it was around 45-55 for him at worst but Sonic seems to have a really bad record vs Bayo

 

[|RK|]

Seeing Mr. R playing so we'll confirms everything I've ever thought about Sheik. Fsmash sucks, tbh.

 

[The-Technique]

Lima the last bayo in the tournament, up against Kirihara. Mr. R loses to Nairo in the most intense last hit situation.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Why talk about the 2GG curse when you can talk about the Smashboards curse?

Wadi 3-1 Lima

Honestly at this point Wadi > Abadango

M D V A B O Y Z
And yeah, I'm pretty sure the numbers say WaDi is better than Aba at this point.

Honestly aba would be far better off sticking to with his secondary/picket rather than mostly using . His mewtwo got relatively rusty when he started mostly using bayonetta, and as far as results go he's kinda been doing worse off with her compared to what he placed. I think if he goes back to mewtwo his results will improve again since it appears this is a time when switching to bayonetta clearly didn't work out.

Abadango 3-2 Salem and is now in top 8.

I still say Wadi over Abadango and Wadi is doing ever better but still.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Lima 3-1 Kirahara


Is it just that Dabuz is godlike in the MU that he beats so many Bayo?

 

[ぱみゅ]

Kirihara is very good at capitalising his advantage state, but Dabuz plays more patient and focused on the Neutral.
Given Bayo's nature, I think it's quite evident which style is more effective against her.