Official 4BR Tier List v2.0 - Competitive Impressions

[verbatim]

Probably Wall, with Seth being an up and coming challenger.

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

You can try The Wall and El Yoshi, Wall mostly plays matches at his weekly though. Both are Texas players.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCywAzic7aitHnYDe-TH5o8Q/playlists

That's a link to the channel's playlist, all the SFC events should have Wall playing a few matches if not more, but this is where you will find a majority of his matches. A few of them he does not go his main if he is just messing around though.

 

[Shady Shaymin]

maybe if you guys actually watched zero's video you'd realize that most of what he's saying is pretty legit instead of circlejerking the "zero overrates everyone" meme

 

[|RK|]

maybe if you guys actually watched zero's video you'd realize that most of what he's saying is pretty legit instead of circlejerking the "zero overrates everyone" meme

On one hand, I agree with you. On the other, he brought it upon himself with the title lol

 

[InfinitySoul]

Dabuz on yoshi : "Invalidated by Cloud/ Diddy/ Bayo, otherwise he'd be decent"

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/5jmnmm/dabuzs_proposed_patchswitch_changes/

 

[MistressRemilia]

Even though he han't been active for a while now, Yoshidora is probably by far the best Yoshi out there.
Watch some of his matches on some Kamisuma events and you'll see how he's just much better than the others.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Really does suck that this character is even less popular than some low tiers.

 

[Yikarur]

That's on wifi. We have a wifi Yoshi in germany that took a set of cyve. Wifi Yoshi is like 2 tiers higher than offline tbh

Yoshi isn't unpopular. We have 10+ Yoshis in germany alone. They just suck.

 

[FeelMeUp]

Yoshi is extremely popular among midlevel players. However, there's a reason he never has top level results.
He's one of the strongest scrub stomping characters out there but there's not much more value than that.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

Yoshi IS a pretty good scrubstomper. Yoshidora beats lots of people on wifi but Wifi yoshi in general is godlike.

Kinda unfortunate that the best characters in the game bop him (not really though, he's annoying af). Otherwise he'd be high tier or something

 

[Jaguar360]

Oh yeeeah!
...


Who is the best Yoshi player(s)? I'd like to find some good matches on youtube.

I think Raptor > The Wall personally, though Seth is also on the come-up for being best Yoshi NA. Yoshidora the Japanese Wi-Fi warrior might be the best Yoshi in the world, but he's only been to one offline tournament and got 17th at that, so it's hard to say results-wise.

Set between Ron and Yoshidora at said offline tourney:

This is an old one, but Yoshidora vs Choco's pre-patch ZSS:

This thread has some more good Yoshi vids.

 

[blackghost]

i would appreciate zero vids more if he didnt perpetuate semi correct information and instead pushed the meta forward. he'd be better off showing a video about what players need to do to improve yoshi reaults.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

i would appreciate zero vids more if he didnt perpetuate semi correct information and instead pushed the meta forward. he'd be better off showing a video about what players need to do to improve yoshi reaults.

So how would you propose?

 

[Baby_Sneak]

So how would you propose?

Implement creative ways to get around shield, work on Jab kill confirms and percents, and otther things. There's plenty Im sure that could be helped.

 

[freeziebeatz]

OrionRank Update.
Players who are newly qualified.

Spoiler: Niconico Tokaigi Cup

Hiro (Win over Raito)
ikep (Wins over 9B, Kameme, Shuton)
Kare (Win over Earth)
KEN (Wins over Nairo, Abadango, Ranai and More)
Kirihara (Wins over Earth. ESAM, Tsu- and More)
Shuton (Wins over 9B, Dabuz, Kameme and More)
Tsu- (Mr.R, Kameme, Kirihara and More)

Spoiler: 2GGC: Midwest Mayhem Saga

Ac (Wins over 6WX, ImHip, Samsora and More)
DKwill (Win over Strozai)
Ghost (Win over Aarvark)
Jtails (Wins over JK, k9sbruce, Legit)
MJG (Wins over DarkShad, Nicko and AeroLink)
Ned (Wins over Larry Lurr, VoiD, Captain Zack and More)
Ryuga (Wins over Zan and Strozai)
Shel
Strozai (Wins over Teb and Ezreal)
Zan (Win over DKwill)

 

[jet56]

• OrionRank Update.
  Players who are newly qualified.
  

  Spoiler: Niconico Tokaigi Cup

  Hiro (Win over Raito)
  ikep (Wins over 9B, Kameme, Shuton)
  Kare (Win over Earth)
  KEN (Wins over Nairo, Abadango, Ranai and More)
  Kirihara (Wins over Earth. ESAM, Tsu- and More)
  Shuton (Wins over 9B, Dabuz, Kameme and More)
  Tsu- (Mr.R, Kameme, Kirihara and More)

  Spoiler: 2GGC: Midwest Mayhem Saga

  Ac (Wins over 6WX, ImHip, Samsora and More)
  DKwill (Win over Strozai)
  Ghost (Win over Aarvark)
  Jtails (Wins over JK, k9sbruce, Legit)
  MJG (Wins over DarkShad, Nicko and AeroLink)
  Ned (Wins over Larry Lurr, VoiD, Captain Zack and More)
  Ryuga (Wins over Zan and Strozai)
  Shel
  Strozai (Wins over Teb and Ezreal)
  Zan (Win over DKwill)

  Strozai also has a set win over Falln at Gambit: Falln, if you are looking for notable wins.

 

[|RK|]

OrionRank Update.
Players who are newly qualified.

Spoiler: Niconico Tokaigi Cup

Hiro (Win over Raito)
ikep (Wins over 9B, Kameme, Shuton)
Kare (Win over Earth)
KEN (Wins over Nairo, Abadango, Ranai and More)
Kirihara (Wins over Earth. ESAM, Tsu- and More)
Shuton (Wins over 9B, Dabuz, Kameme and More)
Tsu- (Mr.R, Kameme, Kirihara and More)

Spoiler: 2GGC: Midwest Mayhem Saga

Ac (Wins over 6WX, ImHip, Samsora and More)
DKwill (Win over Strozai)
Ghost (Win over Aarvark)
Jtails (Wins over JK, k9sbruce, Legit)
MJG (Wins over DarkShad, Nicko and AeroLink)
Ned (Wins over Larry Lurr, VoiD, Captain Zack and More)
Ryuga (Wins over Zan and Strozai)
Shel
Strozai (Wins over Teb and Ezreal)
Zan (Win over DKwill)

I can't wait for Tsu to show up at Frostbite.

 

[Sinister Slush]

maybe if you guys actually watched zero's video you'd realize that most of what he's saying is pretty legit instead of circlejerking the "zero overrates everyone" meme

As a Yoshi main I can comfortably say no a good portion of what he said isn't "legit".

 

[freeziebeatz]

• 
  Strozai also has a set win over Falln at Gambit: Falln, if you are looking for notable wins.

falln hasn't qualified yet so I don't have him listed.

 

[TDK]

https://smash.gg/tournament/mega-smash-mondays-85/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/118859

Pretty big MSM happening tonight. 103 entrants and a lot of top players including Komorikiri, Tweek (He's going all ), Tyroy, and more.

EDIT: Eon 2-0 Rich Brown and NiTe 2-0 Tyrant

 

[L9999]

https://smash.gg/tournament/mega-smash-mondays-85/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/118859

Pretty big MSM happening tonight. 103 entrants and a lot of top players including Komorikiri, Tweek (He's going all ), Tyroy, and more.

EDIT: Eon 2-0 Rich Brown and NiTe 2-0 Tyrant

Is the Rosalina MK MU improving or Tyrant played lazy? Because I rarely hear of NiTe and Tyrant is Tyrant.

 

[Illuminose]

komo went solo marth btw (from what it seems)

e: lost with cloud in losers apparently (to eon again)

 

[verbatim]

Nite is a top Chicago player who's pretty comfortable with the matchup, also against Fox, which appears to have been the other 3 sets of the night he had to play to get to WF (lol).

 

[Yonder]

https://smash.gg/tournament/mega-smash-mondays-85/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/118859

Pretty big MSM happening tonight. 103 entrants and a lot of top players including Komorikiri, Tweek (He's going all ), Tyroy, and more.

EDIT: Eon 2-0 Rich Brown and NiTe 2-0 Tyrant

Fox seems to be the bane of Rich Brown's existence with Mewtwo. Doesn't Abadango have a better time against them? Although I think both Mewtwos get demolished by Larry Lurr and his Fox lately if I'm correct.

I remember pre patch Mewtwo Fox was his most difficult matchup (and Falcon). After the patches, Mewtwo mains said it was in his favor now. But idk, it's starting to look tilted back into Fox's favor again. All of his moves trap Mewtwo so easily into kill percents and Fox has the speed to pressure Mewtwo and ignore shadow ball with reflector. Fox just has to be weary recovering...But that's for like every matchup.

 

[Laken64]

I think abadango does better in the Fox mu looking in the past where Larry never took a set off him before with his Fox until ZeRo saga I believe? But yeah Larry has been improving and the mu looks to be slightly shifting to Fox now though it's still volatile.

 

[Rizen]

Backtracking to Ness, does anyone know who this Zen/Frozen guy is?

He's really good and I'd like to see more Ness play from him.

 

[Deleted member]

Seth or Raptor is probably the best Yoshi right now, if you ask me. I've known Seth for years and he's leveled up hard as of recent.

 

[Kofu]

Backtracking to Ness, does anyone know who this Zen/Frozen guy is?

He's really good and I'd like to see more Ness play from him.

There's a player from Utah ago goes by the tag Frozn so it could be him. He primarily uses Mario in tournament but he does know other characters fairly well. Unfortunately I'm not well-versed enough in my scene to know what he looks like.

 

[TDK]

Mega Smash Mondays 85 (105 Entrants) (SoCal)

1st: 6WX
2nd: NiTe
3rd: Charliedaking
4th: Eon
5th: Tweek
5th: Tyroy
7th: Tyrant
7th: Komorikiri
9th: Shel
9th: Mr. ConCon
9th: K9Sbruce
9th: Zenyou
13th: Taternator
13th: Demitus
13th: Dan
13th: Rich Brown

 

[Jaguar360]

Mega Smash Mondays 85 (105 Entrants) (SoCal)

1st: 6WX (Heard something about but no clue if he took a game)
2nd: NiTe
3rd: Charliedaking
4th: Eon
5th: Tweek
5th: Tyroy
7th: Tyrant
7th: Komorikiri
9th: Shel
9th: Mr. ConCon
9th: K9Sbruce
9th: Zenyou
13th: Taternator or
13th: Demitus
13th: Dan
13th: Rich Brown

He brought out his Ryu against Tweek but it didn't take a game. His Corrin did against Nite though.

EDIT: No Sonic for Komo, sorry. Confused 6WX vs Zenyou for Komo vs Zenyou in my mind -_-

 

[Blue Banana]

Mega Smash Mondays 85 (105 Entrants) (SoCal)
13th: Rich Brown

I think Rich went all Olimar based on his Twitter posts. Did the VOD feature any matches with him?

 

[Wintermelon43]

To keep this on topic, I'm pretty sure the notable Yoshis are:

• The Wall (Texas)
• Raptor (Tristate)
• Yoshidora (Wifi Warrior in Japan iirc)
• Seth (Unknown)
• Poltergust (Florida)
• Firefly (Canada)

Did I miss anyone?

 

[Illuminose]

He brought out his Ryu against Tweek but it didn't take a game. His Corrin did against Nite though. There should be Sonic for Komo too, he used him against Zenyou.

komo didn't play zenyou lol, no sonic

and @above dio from japan is a top yoshi contender, performs well and has good wins

 

[TDK]

Firefly is a Yoshi from BC who beat Zenyou at G4, too.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

*Land of the free*

*YOU MAY NOT QUESTION THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENT*

wth

Yea Trump is gonna get impeached probably. Scary thing though is that we get Mike Pence then, and he's even worse.




Also, to keep this on topic, I'm pretty sure the notable Yoshis are:

• The Wall (Texas)
• Raptor (Tristate)
• Yoshidora (Wifi Warrior in Japan iirc)
• Sethsational
• Poltergust (Florida)

Did I miss anyone?

Sethsational plays Falcon; Seth plays Yoshi, two differentl players

 

[Yonder]

I think Rich went all Olimar based on his Twitter posts. Did the VOD feature any matches with him?

If that's true and maybe Rich is taking a shift towards Olimar, that would be the 2nd player (Dabuz) to change from a top tier to Olimar. Obviously it's not concrete for Rich but if he did go all Olimar and decides to stay like that, then there's so seriously latent potential in Olimar.

I bet Olimar will jump a ton of places in the next tier list after this upcoming one, like Brawl.

(I personally hate Olimar in this game compared to Brawl where he was my co main...He just never felt quite as effective without the extra 3 Pikmin. But kudos to people who can make him work now)

 

[L9999]

Y Yonder Rich Brown uses to play Olimar but switched to Mewtwo. As for Olimar, I still think he is high tier good. He has a good neutral, he is loaded with kill power, and I rather talk about Olimar than some blonde clown.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Sethsational plays Falcon; Seth plays Yoshi, two differentl players

Wait, then whos Seth? Never heard of him in that case.

 

[Zelder]

Y Yonder Rich Brown uses to play Olimar but switched to Mewtwo. As for Olimar, I still think he is high tier good. He has a good neutral, he is loaded with kill power, and I rather talk about Olimar than some blonde clown.

Listen, I think limit cross slash is as crazy as the next guy but this is just rude

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Wait, then whos Seth? Never heard of him in that case.

A Yoshi player from the Midwest ranked 4th on the Chicago PR and I believe 14th on the Midwest. He has sets on Day and Pugwest and went game 5 vs Javi's Cloud.