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Aside from having a better OoS game and Fire Breath I don't see what's going to make Bowser substantially better than DK in the long run.
DK is absolutely not worse than zard, worse than bowser is at least a weak case.
T thinks Sheik is only a -1 for Link?! Well that's a surprise.
I mean better OoS game and Fire breath do give Bowser a more threatening neutral off of more options. Aerial grab means he has a better time landing (Free DashClaw 2016) though it's nothing great. There's just a wider range of areas that Bowser can grow. I'm not masterful of either character mind you. It's just my external opinion.
My guess is reflectors and projectile absorvers. They can really screw him up and force him to approach them. Atleast against Mario, if he can't use his projectiles on him, what ends up happening is that he will have to approach, and since his frame data doesn't keep up with Mario's and he gets comboed easily by him, it can be troublesome.
Some of these Match-up Charts lately have been Awful. Like, if you don't know a Low tier Match-up because you haven't played that character at top level, don't just "lol Pacman is trash Bowser vs Pac is +34 in Bowsers Favor lol". If you haven't played vs the Character at High level, either say "Not enough info" or don't make a Chart at all.
So having a kill confirm makes up for his easy to edgeguard recovery, mediocre ground speed, meh edgeguarding, lack of neutral options, and one of the worst disadvantages in the game? No. It doesn't. It just makes him usable
I said this earlier today:
Donkey Kong's ground speed is not mediocre. He runs faster than Mario and he's the 22th fastest character in the game slightly below Toon Link.
Care to show a few examples of really good/decent posts for the past page or two? Would always love to improve my post quality.
I'm not trying to downplay Whirling Fortress and Fire Breath (they're great moves). But Bowser lacks a poke akin to DK's DTilt (jab is pretty close though).
Really... I'd say Zero's is better to talk about.
Even some of the top players' MU charts have been looking iffy to most, though. A lot are trying to judge matchups they simply don't really know about, which causes some placements to be odd.
So, someone a bit like a Smash 4 Borp?
you should add Aba to that culprits list.
Labbing, adaptability, and a lot of patience, I think. The playstyle alone dictates a defensive mentality and I could only assume that it would be frowned upon as "campy". A player like this would bait & punish and not really go in, unless of course it's against a match up where the opponent can't handle rush down, in which the player would do their best to do just that.
Zero said he would be dropping sheik and use cloud as a secondary while still maining Diddy.
The thing you're missing here is that the Flip Jump -> Helicopter Kick combo is really goddamn strong. Helicopter Kick can be a retardedly strong kill move, and the fact that Flip Jump not only gives Brawler a ton of mobility but also has the potential to set up Helicopter Kick combos means two moves will absolutely make or break the character.
I understand that one or two really good moves can change the entire complexion of a character, especially if those moves work well together. The thing I find odd is that while you'll sometimes see a Ganondorf player be like, "I know I have Warlock Punch, which only works with the hardest of reads, but I think Ganondorf is a bit underrated." Even ZeRo, who placed Ganon in his Bottom 5, mentions him being underrated and having tools that work. Players like Opana, Ray Kalm, Vermanubis, Ganon the Beast, Pon, etc. all put in effort as well.
Maybe mediocre wasn't the correct term, I guess not-top-15 run speed? He has a fast walk but in comparison to Charizard and Bowser he is still slow. Charizard's ground speed is pretty top tierish though being the 9th fastest.
Well, consider it this way.
Do you have a link to that Gif?
Here's a thread of things talked over in the mii discord of what 1111 brawler can do in case you're curious.
> Kameme 2-1 This Happened WR3 because Kameme Sandbagged and lost in pools again.> Abadango 2-0> Kameme 2-1
Nobie
, The reasons why 1111 Mii Brawler's strengths aren't discussed that much is because the character has been overrated for so long. It took over a year for people to realize that 1111 Brawler is one of the worst characters in the game even though the best Brawler player at the time was saying that 1111 Brawler was one of the worst characters in the game (Dapuffster is probably the best Brawler player, but Yikarur has been putting up the most results as of right now). Most people realized that 1111 Brawler has good mobility and combos, but they didn't realize that 1111 Brawler has poor killing ability and poor landing options. Even now, ZeRo and the Smashwiki forget that Mii Brawler has trouble taking stocks, and they overrate the character. 1111 Mii Brawler's situation is different from the other Miis because Brawler is the only Mii Fighter that gets overrated.
