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Do you mean to say that they have in common the ability which I described as being Ally's greatest asset? The crazy perception thats lets Ally spot openings and foresee sequences of events which his opponents completely miss? Or that they are just all really good players, thus having that in common?
I'm definitely gonna have to disagree with Mac being even with MK.
Yeah this, Mac has to fear being sent halfway offstage at all points of the game if the mk even thinks about grabbing him. I cant imagine this mu is any fun at all for a mac player
Cloud's recovery is worse in the sense of how a single edgeguard can leave him dead, but falcon's is worse in the sense he's overall easier to cover. Can't put out any decent disjoints, can't recover high with dair, and is overall easier for rosa to cover all his recovery options.
Also it's worth noting that this is one of the MUs where dark pit has an advantage over pit in that the horizontal knock back of dark pits side special makes gimping Mac considerably more manageable. I noticed that dark pit isn't listed and therefore assumed to be lumped with Pit. It's also kinda nice to have more knock back and damage on dark pits arrows since you don't need to shoot very low or high against Mac since his recovery is pretty linear. Agin it's enough to merit picking dark pit over pit.
Charizard losing to Little Mac is something I find very odd even if it's barely.
I replied to Xaltis about this too. It's still a disadvantage but it's not that bad. We just change the way we set up shop. Gunmen and FAir spacing is key, and it helps a lot that if you hit a FAir on Rosa, you can UTilt into NAir Luma away.
His recovery isn't really linear, its just short. He has a lot of mixups for it and even more if hes close to the ledge so I assume regular Pit arrows would be better in this matchup
Mac beating Sheik? Can one of the Mac Mains here enlighten me on why that may be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5WH8qM4uY
Sol admits he lacks some MU knowledge of some of the characters on the chart and Doc is one of them, so he slapped him in that section.
That's pretty much the name of the game. Putting a hydrant down is a liability, but trampoline stage control is gross against Mac. Otherwise, pacman can't really hope to fight little Mac in cqc. Not with that grab and semi safe aerials.
This.
Falcon's not as linear as the others, he can weave a fair amount, for exmple, go high, weave back and snap ledge. Still fairly easy to cover though.
Id say it's more even. Sheik's edge guarding tends to be rather linear, and Mac doesn't have as many problems with linear edge guarding like Sheik's. Their both neutral monster's but a good amount of Sheik's approaches are from the air which (pp) utilt cn cover nicely, not to mention super armor.
Mac cannot recover against Ike. Eruption, fair, and dtilt destroy any attempt at recovery. It really is one of our worst MUs.
You keep saying this but it's incorrect.
How is my point invalid? You claimed every move could be punished with downSmash on block except for Dtilt. This is clearly not the case and Little Mac's Smash attacks are a lot safer than normal Smash attacks, throwing them out occasionally in neutral isn't a terrible idea.
When you have a recovery, recovery options, and landing options like Little Mac then getting grabbed is always something to fear. I think you need to remember who we're talking about here.
Yeah that was my mistake. Ryu's dash grab is 8-9 frames according to Kurogane Hammer. I'm assuming that means the command is entered and registered while the dash is still occurring as you said. So a dash grab punish should be possible.
That's true but Ryu isn't the best at juggling so he can't exploit Mac's bad landing options moreso than normal. Similarly DownSmash is great for edgeguarding Mac but nearly every character has options that hit below the ledge so that doesn't make him stand out.
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It's surprisingly difficult to zone Mac. You must be careful about where you jump, or you could be eating an f-smash. His Dash Attack can also power through lemons with its good burst speed. Combined with good ground speed and long reaching Cannot Rebound f-tilt, Mac can force his way to where he wants to be. Mega Man is best in this MU if he tries to hold an Metal Blade as much as possible, since it can punish most of Mac's moves on shield. It can also be used to condition him not to Dash Attack, since shielding is a more readily available option when holding the MB as opposed to firing pellets.
I agree with the Link vs Sonic MU. Sonic's weird, on BF/Lylat the MU feels reasonable but on big stages like FD or DH it's just hell. Do other characters have a big difference in the Sonic MU based on the stage? ( @ thread)
Even or small advantage for Doc.
Sonic loses to nobody?
You know how Palutenas don't use her tilts? That's what you do with Mac aerials for the most part. Mac's aerials have absolutely nothing to do with his neutral or disadvantage aside from the occaisional nair combo breaker. You're only gonna use Mac's aerials in advantage to add on a bit of extra damage, say, utilt > u/bair, dtilt > fair > follow up, dair resets. Even then you're not gonna do it a lot.
