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It shouldn't count overall, but could you do an avg placement for people like Trela without some of the massive outliers? Would be interesting to see.
Fill you in on what?
It's a very long general discussion about the Smash 4 metagame basically. Topic is ever changing.
It's 18.8 if I exclude CEO's result. The 25% penalty for not attending a category is going to be increasingly harsh the higher your number is, but without it, Trela's still at 53 with the CEO result, still the worst average.
Take some time to lurk and study the thread before participating. Very surface level, non-constructive, or "obvious" comments slow down discussion and make it increasingly difficult to talk about higher level topics.
without bombs, without Gyro, without Lunge, without Arts)
And at the same time, there are characters who don't have something so important to their move set like a Marth jab, or a Bowser uthrow, or in certain cases they do have something resembling it but their move set just doesn't fit well with it, like Zelda's d/utilt for example where the rest of her aerials outside of nair are just so slow or precise for moves to flow together well (Seriously Sakurai, get rid of those horrible moves, just replace them with something that does consistent damage). Falco has plenty of great tools, but no good way of ensuring that the opponent is close enough to him to allow him to utilize them because his lasers are garbage.If there's something that offs me in character discussion it's something like "If character didn't have X tool, they'd be low/bottom tier" or something along those lines. (ex.
If an important part of a character's toolkit were to be removed completely or toned down significantly, of course they'd be worse. For example, Bowser's buff to his uthrow helped tie a lot of his moveset together a lot better.
Honestly I haven't commented in awhile and simply been lurking because the topic has been switching so often that it gets hard to keep track of what we're discussing. One page we're talking about character setups, the next we're talking about 'x players matchup with y using z character at x tournament'. I've been trying to keep my comments quote on quote 'constructive' and trying not to comment until then but tbh it's hard and in some cases I don't realize what i've said is non-constructive or 'obvious' until someone else points it out to me.
I was going to disagree, but after thinking about it, there are pretty much no exceptions to this. I was thinking Rosa, but her dash attack/grab desync thing would be obscene, and actually tie her kit together :/
Pretty much.
By showing a video where someone does SDI perfectly and doesn't escape? If it can happen we'll be able to see it in a video.
i play the character i know the launch angles as they normally work. with esam he was sdi straight down during a witch twist. there is nothing she can do in that position. if you sdi well on abk or wt bayo has to guess where you will be.
i think people already know about the nair/dthrow footstool interactions at low %
It's a way to threaten you if you shield too much.
then how do you explain what happened with esam? becuase the bayo player never once reacted to where esam was going to sdi. i saw bayo make some guesses but no reaction.
then how do you explain what happened with esam? becuase the bayo player never once reacted to where esam was going to sdi. i saw bayo make some guesses but no reaction.
you can generally see which direction your opponent is di'ing as you are performing the move, you have to commit to a direction because the sdi modifier in this game is rather lowWhere is this idea coming from that you can 'react' to SDI? How does that even make sense? Exactly what do you want to react to? By the time you see where your opponent chose to SDI towards ... it's already too late to react. At best you can try to predict where the opponent is going to be after his SDI inputs but reacting to it is not a thing.
There are other things that separate the top and low tiers, but those characters like
that are simply mediocre, they're the ones that miss that glue, be it a movement statistic, or a move to hold there moves together.
I don't know, I think Robin, Pit and Lucario have proved themselves to be above "mediocre" in this current meta. I'd even say Peach as well.There are other things that separate the top and low tiers, but those characters like
That or a free disadvantage state. That definitely helps.
No room for him there. Current top 10 is pretty solidified. He'd need to start winning nationals to bump somebody out of there at this point. He'll have to settle for 11th/12th with Meta Knight.
