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I have a personal preference for desyncing Luma more often. If someone's drifting too far to the side to catch with a juggle, Luma Shot > uair is stylish if it hits. I also noticed that using Luma in this way is more of a crowd pleaser than her usual fare.
Everything you said about marth confused me.
This pretty much. The whole reason to use marth is that he is a monster in neutral states lol.
As much as I love Kame and his Megaman, I can't help but agree with you.
Something I feel even top-level Ness players haven't really done yet is optimize his throw combos. Considering grabs come much more at a premium now, getting the most damage and/or best stage positioning out of them is crucial. And yes, Ness does have more guaranteed stuff out of throws than just F-air strings. It's a bit telling when even FOW couldn't get throw combos going at low percent during his only match on stream at EVO (never mind that he still won handily).
Oh yeah, after a girl is violated and probably traumatized, the first and most important thing we need to do is lament a fictional character's performance in a videogame, and immediately forgive this man because of this bull**** "troubled alcoholic" narrative people are using to rationalize his actions. Talk about priorities.
He's talking about TL's meta because this is the competitive impressions thread. This isn't Reddit, we actually have a specific range of topics to talk about.
It's more that it's in poor taste to bring it up at all right now.
No. He mentioned toon link in the context of defending Hyuga and imploring us to forgive him. I find that very, very inappropriate and distasteful.
The one thing people might say about him is his edgeguarding. I know that was a conversation a while back when he played M2K with Cloud.
No one is talking about immediate forgiveness.
I think there's an echo in here.
In my experiences extended dash dancing is a much better alternative to walking with Marth, the more I play him the more I realize how much his walk accel ruins his walk and its effectiveness
Yeah, but sometimes it takes an echo to subside a thunderstorm. Especially when those with the ability to subside this aren't here right now, as this could have gotten so far out of hand. I apologize for the echo, as I know how much it would annoy me, but in a case with such passion thrown before, I hope you can understand it was with good intentions.
Top level Corrin's need to Side B more.
What you're essentially asking is if a player's better than their character, correct?
Perhaps underdeveloped was the wrong word to choose. Maybe... under-optimised? I don't know. I do know, that each Marth player appears to play differently. For example, Mr.E plays with his headstrong approach, Pugwest edges towards the more defensive play, False utilises the walk far more than the others for example, that sort of thing. With most characters, there's a set thing every player does. With Marth, I see his players doing many different things. I suppose that is what I was getting at... I suck at explanations.
Marth players don't use Pivot Fsmash because Fsmash is far too laggy to use in most situations, let alone to throw out as a defensive option. Why would Marth players use Pivot Fsmash, when they can use Pivot Ftilt? The move is not only easier to perform, but is better in this situation, because it comes out quicker, has more vertical and horizontal reach, and also ends quicker.
Going in throwing laggy Fairs with no spacing? Yeah, I stopped doing that months ago.
D-Throw has 2 ways to DI it, foward or back. If it is foward, the opponent eats a Fair chain, or a Fair->Uair->mixup. If it is back, then it's Bair with no combo but possible followups. Ness D-Throw is not as brainless as Mario's and it needs some guessing where the opponent will DI, and you have to guess fast. Or go autopilot and Fair chain. Another thing that disturbs me about Ness players is using B-Throw when they know it won't kill. Just why?! Anyone with decent DI skills will survive it, why not using Up Throw? It does 10% and puts the opponent high in the air, so it is vulnerable to PKTs and to get landings catched with Uair/Bair.
This needs to die out. Lucina HAS to space with the tip just as much as Marth does. Just because she has consistent damage values throughout her entire sword doesn't mean she's any safer when she misspaces an attack. The only thing that changes much in her game plan when compared to Marth is that she can combo the same way no matter where she hits with her sword. Marth varies depending on whether or not he got a tipper hit or a sour hit. Sometimes the sour hit is preferred, such as sour bair > fair and if you land a sour fair you can then land a tipper fair after that. Having sour spots can actually have it's advantages.
Her ability to combo is gonna be the same no matter WHERE she hits on the sword.
For the record, you can also jump straight up (perhaps holding back slightly) and F-air to catch opponents DI'ing in. Granted, it still does require a read at really low percents unless you have crazy reflexes (it becomes a bit more lenient once you get to low-mid percents since D-throw deals more hitstun), but the idea is that Ness can still salvage a combo in this situation. DI'ing in mainly messes up players who autopilot jumping forward while F-airing.
Well, F-Tilt may have a lot of benefits, but I think you could agree that if an opponent jumps past Marth, a Pivot F-Smash is significantly better after Marth is behind the opponent after running. It doesn't come out all the time, and Pivot F-Smash is only situational for retreats or go-throughs, but it's still a good thing to space and kill opponents. But I won't argue that his F-Tilt is pretty great if tippered, though otherwise, it's kind of bad, especially on shield.
At this point, I don't think we're talking about the same thing. Are we talking about Perfect Pivot here? Because I'm talking about a dash turn pivot.
Marth's Fsmash, and "good thing to space" within the same sentence... Ok...?
This is so delusional. He isn't Rosalina. There are plenty of Rosa players out there that make great strides in the meta. Many people (including many popular, otherwise informed casters) assume Dabuz invented everything under the sun because other Rosa players simply don't place as well. Dabuz doesn't win because he's the lone pioneer of the Rosa meta. He wins because he's an incredibly intelligent, adaptable player, and people don't give him enough credit for how damn smart some of his decisions in game are.
True, but Lucina can play both safe and combo when the opportunity presents itself, meanwhile Marth fully spaces himself.
Of course it's delusional, Dabuz is my favourite Smasher. It's meant to be incredibly biased because I love him.
See, the thing is, for Lucina to be safe, she must also space her moves at the tip of her sword, like Marth, because anywhere else leaves her open for punishment. Marth just has the added benefit of extra damage/shieldstun for this optimal playstyle.
