One person says Limit Cross Slash has really low endlag and I say Shoryuken is probably the best move in the game, even busted, all of a sudden we are supposedly having dangerously toxic levels of, "patch mentality," and, "pls nerf," and we should discuss how scrubby we think everyone else here is for several pages.
Something something politics.
Agendas when there is nothing real at stake. People need to grow up.
Let me just repeat, almost verbatim, some community-putting-down comments and farm likes, oh let me do it too, oh and me, and me, and me, 2 pages later, oh and me too. Why not just have 90% of the posts in this thread be like this?
A lot of descriptive terms unfortunately have implicit (but there really aren't alternatives unless you wish to waste several sentences idiot-proofing everything you write) 'bad for the game' 'needs to be nerfed' sentiments to them.
If you said Snake's up tilt was broken in Brawl, it was just one of many ways to describe an extremely good move that in contrast to others stood out in multiple facets, no one would be triggered. Saying MK was broken would only 'trigger' the most extreme people on either side of the argument, and yet there are no signs yet of the-end-of-the-world in Smash4 that deserve similar extreme responses.
Now if there were to be future patches (hint: let's just assume there's not until otherwise), overtuned things being touched would be great. That's it. Not much more needs to be said. If people are paranoid and believe it's essential to have a super loud voice out there to express, it isn't meant to be coming from here. It goes the other way too, no Snake main in Brawl would deny his up tilt was broken (they may have chosen to remind people of the fact it wasn't safe on block,
which everyone knew, but still wouldn't deny the adjective) and yet these days it seems like people would betray their mothers before betraying their main admitting something they have is
overtuned - which is a shame and an agenda in itself (that they probably don't want to see as an agenda).
Cloud is the greatest threat in my eyes right now. Enough for me to think "no.1" in a list that is otherwise extremely muddied by a year of balance patches and DLC. A more difficult / yet to be seen / yet to be discovered alternative character may actually be "better" in some sort of theoretical sense (which may eventually be observed), but Cloud would still likely remain the biggest, or near biggest, threat for a long time to come.
Is it possible to discuss that notion without an entitlement-spree about no one deserving such a position (although someone has to)? Or if someone brings up an alternative (in a fair manner), not purposely try to distract away from the idea for one's own perceived benefit?
I'm not the only one who has moderator powers in this thread (someone brought this up a few days ago). I'm just generally the only one who has actively tried to halt or reverse degeneration, but when it becomes super obvious others step in in but the damage still always remains, and it's more than exhausting being in that dynamic to try to avoid it as a mod. But the answer isn't "get more mods", because it's something no one really wants to mod and goes beyond what moderation is meant to be about. It isn't at the stage where 100% of things are ****, which would justify its permanent closure. We've tried to push the responsibility of keeping the thread good to more than just exhausted people (incl. the consistently good posters) but to all those who visit here. Some, I'm sure, love to see things burn and actively post borderline crap over and over and love it because it satisfies their ego - but it's the many who continue to support it (acknowledging it in any form). and allow it to flourish - it slowly becomes the norm.
is among the best at ledge pressure/trapping.
