Official 4BR Tier List v1.0 - Competitive Impressions

[FullMoon]

apparently someone stepped on Void's hand during that Donald Trump pinata thing

This is a hilariously bizarre sentence to read when you don't have any context.

 

[juddy96]

Captain Zack is on a tear at TGC 8. He's defeated Angbad, GrimTurtle, 8BitMan, and Megafox and made his way into the top 4.

 

[Y2Kay]

This is a hilariously bizarre sentence to read when you don't have any context.

My man it's hilarious with context.

After the US and Mexico finished their crew battle, Hyuga had the (great) idea of having both teams bash open a Donald Trump piñata as the grand finale.

After the piñata bust open, Void scrambled to the ground to grab candy like an ecstatic ten year old.

That's when the foot struck, and Void's hand was wounded, possibly leading to him getting 17th at a tourney he usually gets top 8 in.

lol.

 

[jespoke]

When you tagged me I assumed it was a very belated response to my comment that you called Game & Watch "good" or that a Game & Watch had done something notable. I'm glad it was the latter.

From what I know Game & Watch loses to Sheik primarily because she can camp with needles and generally keep him in a bad position with her frame data. The KOing aspect may honestly fall in Game & Watch's favor now after Sheik's nerfs and both characters are difficult to edgeguard. If VoiD had a hand injury that probably had some impact. Additionally, from what I know of VoiD he's a pretty aggressive player which doesn't work too well against Game & Watch.

Too bad the matches weren't streamed, I would have loved to see them.

According to the commentators it ended with Void ahead all game 3.... into 9

 

[Das Koopa]

2GGT KTAR Saga announced - week after EVO, featuring most/all of Tristate's best in SoCal.

CEO
EVO
KTAR Saga
Umebara SAT
Smash Con
The Big House 6

next few months are loaded

 

[Strong-Arm]

As of now who do you guys see as some of the more "unexplored/undderrated" characters in the game rn? Like who do you think ppl underplay and such

 

[Das Koopa]

ImHip 3-0s Tyrant with Duck Hunt

 

[Aaron1997]

IMhip Destroys Tyrant with 3-0
"But Duckhunt is bottom.." Shutup

 

[kaz99]

So since when has Duck Hunt 3-0'd people. He's probably one of these underrated/unexplored characters

 

[Mario766]

Here we go again

A character does something.

Unexplored/underrated.

Let's ignore the fact that JPN thinks extremely highly of Duck Hunt, and has for the longest time.

 

[outfoxd]

A duck hunt kill throw is an extended toss into a floating can.

Also its a pain in the butt picking options when the character covers multiple ones with independent hitboxes.

 

[kaz99]

Here we go again

A character does something.

Unexplored/underrated.

Let's ignore the fact that JPN thinks extremely highly of Duck Hunt, and has for the longest time.

Yes but he is still underrated in the west....or at least by ESAM

 

[Mario766]

Since when is ESAM the person we turn to for a list.

Oh yeah

Never.

 

[R3D3MON]

Why are we surprised by ImHip's result?

 

[outfoxd]

Duck Hunt has to win a national before he's considered mid tier i suppose.

Edit: I'm only surprised because I thought DH was Hips secondary.

 

[kaz99]

Since when is ESAM the person we turn to for a list.

Oh yeah

Never.

And since when have I said that? Duck Hunt has usually been underrated by American players, and even in this thread I remember people saying that he was "bottom 5". People will focus on Duck Hunt's many flaws, but not on any of his strengths. He's definitely a low tier, but not garbage.

 

[arbustopachon]

Any news about Draquaza?
I wanna see some zard action.

 

[Nu~]

TGL Monthly 6 results (85 entrants) with a ton of upsets http://challonge.com/tgl6smash4singles



9) Riot ()

...Am I a prophet?


We in there!???
...Somewhat????

 

[R3D3MON]

outfoxd
From what I understand I think he dual-mains Olimar and Duck Hunt. You can see past videos of his tournament runs in youtube (search them in the 2ggaming channel).

 

[Shaya]

Rosalina is there to keep Ryu in check, for sure.
What a beautiful game we have.

Ryu's current meta doesn't have means of knocking Luma off stage reliably, and Luma snuffs a lot of Ryu's neutral out completely. The fact that Rosa can be at 50% and ryu at 150% and both are at last hit scenarios still allow Ryu to keep up (and is just a universal consideration in all of his match ups)
However, Rosa with out Luma honestly gets steam rolled by Ryu, likely harder than Cloud can.

.

 

[juddy96]

TGC 8 (128 entrants) https://smash.gg/tournament/tgc-8-1000-pot-bonus-houston-tx/brackets/12866/32853/110048

1) Trela
2) Vinnie
3) DJ Fliphop
4) Captain Zack
5) Mr. E
5) Megafox
7) Jerm
7) 8BitMan
9) Brawlman1000
9) Samsora
9) KJ
9) GrimTurtle
13) Espy
13) Haipe
13) MJG
13) Angbad

 

[teddystalin]

Any news about Draquaza?
I wanna see some zard action.

He drowned in pools after losing to Zinoto and Jonny Westside.

 

[Das Koopa]

He drowned in pools after losing to Zinoto and Jonny Westside.

the dreams of charizard fade like the corpses of bad tier lists

 

[arbustopachon]

He drowned in pools after losing to Zinoto and Jonny Westside.

That sucks, i hoped he would do better. Guess zard can go back to being a meme

 

[Djent]

At MWM3, ESAM dodged Tyroy in losers and lost to False anyway. Does anyone know what characters they used?

 

[Y2Kay]

TGC 8 (128 entrants) https://smash.gg/tournament/tgc-8-1000-pot-bonus-houston-tx/brackets/12866/32853/110048

1) Trela
2) Vinnie
3) DJ Fliphop
4) Captain Zack
5) Mr. E
5) Megafox
7) Jerm
7) 8BitMan
9) Brawlman1000
9) Samsora
9) KJ
9) GrimTurtle
13) Espy
13) Haipe
13) MJG
13) Angbad

Speaking of the southeast region, Brawlman 1K is one of Memphis' best players. The best IMO.

 

[Smog Frog]

Rosalina is there to keep Ryu in check, for sure.
What a beautiful game we have.

Ryu's current meta doesn't have means of knocking Luma off stage reliably, and Luma snuffs a lot of Ryu's neutral out completely. The fact that Rosa can be at 50% and ryu at 150% and both are at last hit scenarios still allow Ryu to keep up (and is just a universal consideration in all of his match ups)
However, Rosa with out Luma honestly gets steam rolled by Ryu, likely harder than Cloud can.

.

uthrow can get rid of luma

he has a really good dash grab

 

[juddy96]

Speaking of the southeast region, Brawlman 1K is one of Memphis' best players. The best IMO.

I thought he was Louisiana living in MS

 

[Y2Kay]

I thought he was Louisiana living in MS

He's been living in Memphis I believe. I've been seeing him at a lot of Memphis locals. I know he's from Louisiana.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

And since when have I said that? Duck Hunt has usually been underrated by American players, and even in this thread I remember people saying that he was "bottom 5". People will focus on Duck Hunt's many flaws, but not on any of his strengths. He's definitely a low tier, but not garbage.

Even Zelda has a handful of legitimately good tools and can do some work.

I don't think anyone in this game is true trash outside of Jigglypuff.

 

[DanGR]

That's because Georgia/Texas and Florida are the main scenes. Louisiana goes to Texas, MS has legit nothing, Tennessee goes to Georgia, and Alabama goes to FL/Georgia tournaments.

Not quite. It's only very far south Alabama that travels to Florida tournaments, really. The rest of AL sticks mostly to mid and northern AL tournaments, sometimes traveling to closer GA tournaments (Atlanta) for regionals, and sometimes going up to close Tennessee tournaments (mostly only regionals). At the in-state monthlies (around 4 or 5 of them in mid + north AL) we get numbers nearing 70-80 on a good day, with tournaments averaging around 40-50 entrants.

 

[Mario766]

Yo Bman1k?

I played him at a regional here in MS during top 8. Good **** to him.

 

[AnEventHorizon]

TGC 8 (128 entrants) https://smash.gg/tournament/tgc-8-1000-pot-bonus-houston-tx/brackets/12866/32853/110048

1) Trela
2) Vinnie
3) DJ Fliphop
4) Captain Zack
5) Mr. E
5) Megafox
7) Jerm
7) 8BitMan
9) Brawlman1000
9) Samsora
9) KJ
9) GrimTurtle
13) Espy
13) Haipe
13) MJG
13) Angbad

Rosalina should be added for Vinnie.

 

[Jams.]

At MWM3, ESAM dodged Tyroy in losers and lost to False anyway. Does anyone know what characters they used?

Games 2 through 5 were Sheik vs Pikachu, and I'd assume game 1 was as well.

 

[sedrf]

Like smashboard sis any better. Duck hunt isn't that great but he is perfectly usable,but people like to circlejerk about esam and stuff like that.

 

[RDR7]

I played Speclar recently, I seemed to be the only Ganon who did well against him (won majority).

He concluded that I played best against him as compared to @Vermanubis and others, and he agreed with me stating that the MU is 55:45 Ganon's favor (as long as the Ganon plays appropriately).

http://prntscr.com/bchvdc

 

[Piipp]

Speaking of the southeast region, Brawlman 1K is one of Memphis' best players. The best IMO.

Oh dude he definitely is the best. Jester is like 1 - 6 in sets against Brawlman. Bman has won every orl he's been to. ORLs 10 - 15. Unfortunately, as of now he isn't a Memphis player. He went back home in MS for a little while.

 

[C0rvus]

False says he is done with Sheik, then says he intends to focus on Marth. Brings the Sheik anyway. Beats ESAM.

Impressive! I don't think he can get rid of his Sheik haha. It's done so much for him and continues to do so. Hoping to see good placings from him this summer; he's one of Tristate's finest.

 

[sedrf]

And zinoto snuffs the hope for low tiers.

better luck next time

 

[SaltyKracka]

Well, IMhip is out after a hellishly close 3-2 set to Zinoto.

I'd hardly call Olimar a low tier, though.