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I literally just listed ROB names with results without consulting any external resource, I think I did a pretty good job if I just forgot one notable name. Ginko uses ROB a notable amount (especially when he's losing) and OCEAN has a couple really nice results from when he did go to tournaments, so I figured he was worth mentioning. The sass was unnecessary.
Playing safe, C3P0 was jumping reckless against, pink fresh, Witch Time and Up-B are good punish options that can make great damage and kill at the right time, she is good at racking damage and killing as long as the opponent doesn't stop to push buttons like maniac and expect to get away with them, the moment you stop doing that she became far more manageable, so in short play lame and you will have a far easier time against her, but playing lame is unthinkable to some smash 4 players, i dont know why.
Even sadder for corrin vs ness if corrin can force the pk thunder past 30% we can just counter him and ness is ded.
I think this is a pretty obvious truth.Top 10 is pretty obvious IMO...
...and I'd say these 10 are quite a way above the rest of the cast right now. Bayo's status is pending.
Still, having 10 seriously viable choices in a series where you typically have between 4 and 1(!) seriously viable choices is pretty amazing.
in no specific order.
With Ness it's a pony trick, with Lucas it actually lets him live, but Ness can keep PKT1 moving downwards for a bit longer, then hit himself once counter is down, so if Corrin is trying that past 30% themselves... In the worst case scenario it's 20-30% consolation damage.
Uhh, what's stopping the Corrin from waiting until the PK Thunder gets close to Ness and then dropping down and countering? Is that not reactable?I've kinda given up arguing for Ness in these situations, but I did want to address one thing...
With Ness it's a pony trick, with Lucas it actually lets him live, but Ness can keep PKT1 moving downwards for a bit longer, then hit himself once counter is down, so if Corrin is trying that past 30% themselves... In the worst case scenario it's 20-30% consolation damage.
I wouldn't use weeklies at all. It's kind of arbirary if you only count 1 D:
, Sodrek , quiK , Light , Jbandrew , Longouw , Purple-H , Yikarur , Eddy , BluB , wusi Yoh (not the canadian one obv), Tsunayoshi , Kunai , Koyu and Biggad and even more than that.)
I understand his point, but you definitely dont have to beat 10 top players to win a major. Top 32 is only 5 sets from winners.
Is what anti says true
my impressions
: Down, for certain. Not only has the character had relatively poor performance for #5, he has little representation, and his best player (ESAM) is inconsistent. : Up. Top 3, for sure. There's a lot of arguing about who's best at the moment, but he seems like a top 3 contender to anybody except top level Diddy mains. : Down. He's still good, but where he might've risen to top 5 without nerfs, I think he's going to climb down now that a lot of players dropped him and his meta is a bit worse. Even the best MK main atm (Leo) opts to secondary Cloud in certain matchups, as does Tyrant (who has a Sheik instead): Waaaaaay up. Probably top 3-5, stunningly good character but he hasn't won a major yet. Counterplay imo will make him bearable (people recognize Limit setups and pressure him a lot at the edge) but he's stupidly good. : Down. I don't think the character is anything above upper-mid, personally, and his results (even among his best players) tend to reinforce that. I think Ranai was carrying Villager hard at G3 the more I think about it.: Down. Once insanely overrated mid-tier now correctly recognized as upper mid/mid tier. Has decent representation and results to compare with characters like Peach, Corrin, Toon Link, etc. Plenty good, but not top 15.: Down. Nasubi and reflex need to do really well at majors to salvage opinions of the character imo, he's fallen off hard since Abadango dropped him and it's been even worse since Reflex has garnered occasionally mediocre results (and it wouldn't surprise me if Reflex went more towards Mewtwo at majors anyway): Up, especially if Kamemushi has a breakout performance. As-is right now, I think he's a suitable top 20 character now that people have really learned him a bit. : Way down. His performances as of late have been something compared to nothing, but he has all the makings of a bottom 10 (or 13) character. He's 32nd ATM, I expect high 40s. : WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY up. Will definitely have the biggest move on the list, going from 37th to (maybe) 10th or higher, and, like, 15th at worst. No need to explain, character is plainly amazing now./: Up. Buffs have given them a more functional gameplan and they've made much more of a splash since. I predict somewhere in the low 30s.: Up. Does too well in Japan, and I think Japanese players on the 4BR Panel will likely influence this. Nowhere near how much higher, but he's done enough work at Umebaras to justify being somewhere in the mid-upper 30s.: Up. Too many Palu mains do too well with the character for a 50th position. I doubt she'll climb too much higher but I'd be very surprised if she remained bottom 10.
So you're saying Ranai almost beating ZeRo and placing amazingly well at G3 as Villager is some sort of fluke? Or that if Ranai switched mains he would be a god tier player? If anything, Villager will move up after Ranai comes to America again.my impressions
Rides on ESAM alone and that by itself does not make him worth being as high as he is, 5th best with his results and potentially bad MUs he has to deal with?I think is better fit up there if not potentially best character even if Dabuz is the main top player using her and having a similar drop off like is. is top 5, I'd bump him up on my list.
No, I'm saying that Ranai is an insanely good player carrying a flawed character. That doesn't make it a "fluke", that just means Ranai is amazing. That being said, Ranai has turned his focus to SFV afaik, and his tourney performances have become lackluster as a result. This wouldn't too much of a problem for perceptions of the character, except most Villager mains don't do all that well, with Kept being the most successful at this point.
Canada and SoCal (and Florida) are demonstrably better regions than Minnesota.
and get the biggest boost, going from literally unplayable to, well, playable.
ya there is the pk thunder stall mix up, and if corrin doesn't notice that then she better be ready to tech.I've kinda given up arguing for Ness in these situations, but I did want to address one thing...
With Ness it's a pony trick, with Lucas it actually lets him live, but Ness can keep PKT1 moving downwards for a bit longer, then hit himself once counter is down, so if Corrin is trying that past 30% themselves... In the worst case scenario it's 20-30% consolation damage.
Hey you (unsurprisingly) forgot someone.my impressions
, who's very likely high tier at least, I don't know if all these mid tiers are actually going to move up much, even if they are more viable than they were.
Mega Man has very notably gone from mid tier to high-mid tier in terms of results after the Sheik nerfs. Most of the other ones haven't really changed in terms of rankings, even if they've done better, but MM was disproportionately hurt by Sheik's prominence.So many mid tiers are supposedly going to go up because of sheik nerfs, and it is true that a lot of characters who were previously slept on are seeing notably better results as of recent.
The question is, if a lot of characters are set to place higher on the tier list, how high can they actually go? If everyone moves up, does anyone move up?
Aside from
, since I am unfamiliar with his results.
I can definitely seeSo many mid tiers are supposedly going to go up because of sheik nerfs, and it is true that a lot of characters who were previously slept on are seeing notably better results as of recent.
The question is, if a lot of characters are set to place higher on the tier list, how high can they actually go? If everyone moves up, does anyone move up?
Aside from
and being high mid or even sleeper high tiers as their results and people's perceptions of them have improved considerably.
At the same time, it's not like Alphicans had high level Shulk practice (or any Shulk practice really), so you could say the same thing about him. I suppose you could argue this match isn't representative of the MU at all since neither player really had a deep understanding of the others character, but high level Shulk versus Mac is probably very rare (unless Sol and Tremendo Dude play often), so we should probably take what we can get.Sorry to go back on an older subject, but it's clear that in the Darkwolf vs Alphicans match Darkwolf did not know the MU. He made fatal mistakes against Little Mac on the ground and did not capitalize on Macs flaws. Please don't take this as johning for Darkwolf, it's just my thoughts on the match
It's kinda strange that truesapphire in lvlupexpo took out one of Americas best little macs(vash) to advance in the bracket before getting out at 17th. I think the difference is that Darkwolf has a lack of MU knowledge for some characters, but you can't blame him for not expecting an amazing little Mac to make it this far in bracket.
Also I agree with the notion that there is no clear cut best character in the game
Then you could argue that its significantly more important to know the Little Mac matchup than to know the Shulk matchup. I mean look what happened to Nairo. Also Shulk is a swordie, so common anti-swordie tactics work vs him.
Nah, ZeRo is still clearly the best. He's only lost a tournament to two people. Everyone else has way more losses, both in terms of set count and tournament count. Plus dude came back from a hiatus and still almost reset the bracket in Grand Finals. If he keeps losing, you can say that there's no clear number one. But one tournament (because we all know we're talking about GOML) doesn't knock him off the top... much as everyone wants his reign to be over lol
Wildly inconsistent. Between Zero getting bodied by M2K and Zinoto taking two or three sets off him in a row just about everything that could possibly happen has happened in this specific matchup already.
