Official 4BR Tier List v1.0 - Competitive Impressions

[L9999]

There were changes? Ugh, it might change nothing, but why!? We were so comfortable talking about how we would adapt to DLC jank...

 

[NairWizard]

There won't be any more patches, they said. Final update, they said. This is the game we have to work with, they said.


HA.


Sorry but I need my moment (God do I love patches).

@Emblem Lord

*proudly accepts the SolidProphet title at this time*



*cough*

Ahem, on a more relevant note, the changes to Corrin seem to make his combos flow better. Not sure what the point of reducing Cloud's up-air by 1% damage really was, when the problem was Limit side-b all along.

 

[Fatmanonice]

New patch? Ah yesh. I knew the remaining DLC weren't going to go totally untouched.Still wouldn't be surprised if at least one more happened before EVO.

 

[Amadeus9]

...

I think its time to pack it up and go home

 

[Greward]

Thank you development team for stopping the dlc carnage before it started

(if they actually nerfed the right things which doesn't usually happen lol)

 

[Nysyr]

I think people saying that Lucario vs Sheik is anywhere near even are really only getting this idea in their heads because Lucario mains are so few and far between that you never really get to Lab against the character. You could ask the Lucario boards, but most of them seem to believe the match is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of -1.5. If you play against or as him enough you begin to see how easy his kit is to read.

He relies entirely on you falling for Mix-Ups and baits, but when you see them enough it gets much easier to not fall for them.

 

[wedl!!]

we should have a Viking funeral in Metaknight's memory

also zss apparently got less damage on uair and nair

 

[Y2Kay]

...

I think its time to pack it up and go home

What is it?

Dont tell me they.....

 

[ARISTOS]

That MK nerf seems hella damaging.

Looks like balance changes aren't quite done yet. Interested to see how it plays out.

Should have begged Abadango not to do it in front of Sakurai, lol

EDIT: Pugwest is saying Nair and Uair got 2% dmg reductions; that's insane lol

 

[NotLiquid]

MKこれ死んだじゃんW

— あばだんご🍡 | SNB (@Abadango) March 16, 2016

Welp

Looks like Abadango's gonna start looking for a new character now

 

[Fatmanonice]

Er... did something happen? Why is everybody crying about Metaknight all of a sudden?

 

[Thetwinmasters]

What is it?

Dont tell me they.....

MK uair sends people more horizontally now.

 

[Pancracio17]

Im pretty sure whitch twist got nerfed by 1 from 8->7 maybe im just wrong
Witch time remains untouched

 

[A10theHero]

Er... did something happen? Why is everybody crying about Metaknight all of a sudden?

Welp, @_DabuzSensei got his wish. Meta Knight's up air has been nerfed. ;_; https://t.co/xCUkv7PdGI

— W.A.C. (@wac89) March 16, 2016

It looks like it

 

[L9999]

Stop being ambigious and say what happened with Meta Knight!!!

 

[Nysyr]

we should have a Viking funeral in Metaknight's memory

also zss apparently got less damage on uair and nair

If thats true, it could either make the chains not work, or it could be insanely better at comboing now like what happened with Captain Falcon's uair.....

 

[Yonder]

Er... did something happen? Why is everybody crying about Metaknight all of a sudden?

Uair sends characters at a horizontal angle now so the ladder of death is useless apparently.

Shame he was my favorite top tier...

Lol at Aba dropping him in an instant. Like at least wait more than a few minutes before making that big of a decision (unless he goes back to PAC/Wario then by all means)

 

[wedl!!]

uair angle was changed to be far more horizontal so ladder kills are essentially impossible

 

[BigLord]

So it's true then? I don't have access to Smash 4 right now... MK's uair got a nerf? It no longer sends upwards?

Edit: oops, ninja'd... Oh well, I bet he's still fun to play. Maybe something new arises from this?

 

[Tri Knight]

So much for those MK MU charts.

 

[TheMiSP]

But he still did the roof combo???

 

[Yonder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/4alr5r/new_patch_for_super_smash_bros_wii_u3ds_ver_115

Ganondorf is looking nicer, 24% uncharged u smash? Edit: disregard, disproved exactly when I posted it

 

[Y2Kay]

You hear that sound?

That's MK plummeting to high tier RIP

 

[NotLiquid]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Bayo seems somewhat safe still.

 

[Pancracio17]

But the dk didnt die

 

[Trifroze]

ZSS got nerfed harder than Diddy in 1.0.6, unless this is universal for all top tiers I'm going to be quite mad.

Nair does 2% less, uair does 2% less, dthrow does 2% less. However, side b got buffed, maybe smashes too, gotta see further.

 

[FlynnCL]

What on earth did they do to Meta Knight's up-air...

 

[Solfiner]

Well, looks like Meta Knight's meta is gonna have to develop in different directions now which is interesting/sad (depending on your viewpoint.)

I wonder if he got any buffs as well to help him a bit at least?

 

[Smog Frog]

good **** for . maybe he'll develop more(DC TECH CHASES ARE THE FUTURE PEOPLE)

 

[Pancracio17]

Nothing on shiek?

 

[NotLiquid]

What on earth did they do to Meta Knight's up-air...

Funny ain't it?

Abadango takes Niconico Tokaigi with Meta Knight, an event Sakurai was at

Next patch, Meta Knight is pining for the fjords

 

[Nysyr]

ZSS got nerfed harder than Diddy in 1.0.6, unless this is universal for all top tiers I'm going to be quite mad.

Nair does 2% less, uair does 2% less, dthrow does 2% less. However, side b got buffed, maybe smashes too, gotta see further.

Apart from damage, does it look like they had any angle changes? If you could check if Uair still auto chains into itself, or if they can airdodge now that would be something. I'd imagine this was very specifically to stop the ladder combo, and the safety of nair.

Ouch.

 

[L9999]

That's it, I'm done with this balance team. Needles untouched, Limit Cross Slash untouched, no love for (I suppose).

 

[Yonder]

Well, looks like Meta Knight's meta is gonna have to develop in different directions now which is interesting/sad (depending on your viewpoint.)

I wonder if he got any buffs as well to help him a bit at least?

Kinda sad actually, when Luigi's D throw to cyclone nerf happened, people said "oh the Luigi Meta will develop differently now and become more interesting"

Instead it came to a stagnant halt and hasn't moved barely an inch since.

 

[Cereal Bawks]

Sakurai has yet again blessed Ike... indirectly through top tier nerfs, but I'll take it.

 

[Smog Frog]

am i the only one that's fine with limit cross slash? it's locked behind a meter that he can be forced to use on recovery, so it doesnt really bother me much...

 

[Shady Shaymin]

Mk's zero to death was just too much for Sakurai. I hope he watches some bayo replays on his lovely vacation as well.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Maybe it's a bad idea to overly develop a metagame around a character's jank in a game that has the prospect of patches...

 

[Djent]

Unless there were (significant) nerfs to and , the list of characters able to challenge them just got even shorter.

 

[nannerham]

Someone check charizard good lord they shaved some frames off of his aerials

fair 12%->13% sweetspot 11%->12% sourspot
bair 15%-> 16%