my turn:
also, ive said this from the beginning, i beleieve that kirby does have a tad bit too much bad matchups. But i stuck with her through the whole thing and overcame some of those bad matchups. Also, i never really got *****. i could pretty much bring anyone to their last stock with kirby. If i had actual time to practice, and i played a more broken/ higher tier character as a secondary, i feel i could have really risen up the ranks. oh wells, maybe next time.
maybe so, but she still has tough match ups. she has a tough time against swordsmen, and characters with super high priority attacks like lucas and pika. also super strong characters, cuz kirby is, well, kirbys a balloon. she's dies to quick against people like snake and ike. oh wells, i still need more character matchup training.
-hiro
Alright.....
Kirby is in no way bad. Kirby in no way has "alot of bad matchups"
There are only a few that even MIGHT come to mind right now, and i wouldn't even say they counter, at the most they have slight advantages.
The only two I've found so far that give kirby some trouble are Ike, and Wario.
Ike only because he kills super early. All the kirby has to do is play super careful, and its pretty much even again. And Hiro, you lost to fenrir? And your blaming it on matchup?
I played fenrir my second round and won.
And if you wanna talk about bad matchups, how come you didn't reck my ike on rainbow cruise in the MM? That has to be one of the superest counterpicks ever.
My ike isn't even THAT great, hes my third. Now considering to be my secondary.
*EDIT*
if you want me to go into detail as to why i think wario is tough for kirby, i will. but im late for class right now. But there is reasoning to it, dont worry.
And you really don't need a higher tier secondary at all. I have all these secondaries and thirds, but to be honest their not for competitive play really.
There are almost only two reasons i EVER play anyone but kirby.
One is for just fun.
Two, and this is the reason i ever even picked up ike truthfully, is to learn the character better. The fastest way to learn how to play against a character is to play that character seriously. you figure out wat his flaws are pretty fast, so when you play against them, you can abuse those.
Technically i secondary Olimar, and I didn't even touch him the entire tourny ever, not even friendlies (asside from the one I took over chaz's friendly last stock to see if i could make an amazing comback, which i didn't lol )
As for the other matches your claiming:
Swordsmen: to be 100% honest, i believe kirby may even have an advantage against marth/ super easy edgeguards. Not to mention a smart kirby can OUT SPACE marth. Alot of times i find
his foward tilt cutting through most of marth's attacks. And his bair beats EVERYTHING marth has. As well as kirby having some pretty early combos, and can always get a free fowardsmash if they try to fsmash and u sheild.
Toonlink (Swordsmen?): >_> u serious? The only kill move toon link even has on kirby is either dair, or usmash. The fsmash can be DI'd every time so u dont get hit by the second swing, and the dsmash is too weak. MAYBE u'll die from his fair if you DI bad or something. Complaining about camping at this point is a joke. Wanna learn something? If you really can't find a way around camping, take his power, yes its possible, and camp with B's and up-b's. I garuntee you'll out camp him.
Link: FUNNY. Next one.
Ike: already discussed.
Meta?: Its pretty darn even. Only way you'll see meta killing kirby is with up-b, and if the meta spams it, like most do now a days, thats rare as well. Leaving dsmash and usmash, letting you be in the air more, and kirby, litterally, can live between 150 and 200 every stock. Get owned.
P.S. Stone beats Meta-Up B, EVERY time. Believe it.
Lucas: LOL This dead honest i think is the MOST even matchup in the entire friggen game. I can't find one thing they both have on each other. The only gay thing is kirby's gay edgeguards vs lucas, but if the lucas is smart, it gets hard to pull off. Find me gay things in this matchup, PLEASE.
Pikachu: Really? How so? I'd love to hear this one. What can pika do to you that has you complaining? -sits- (i play against Esam often, really good pika, i havn't seen anything crazy, im waiting.)
P.S.S. I went kirby the entire time, didn't change, and thats how its been every tourny. You lose early, oh well, you tried your best. You dont blaim it on character ****, if you wanna blame wins on character johns, go play marvel vs capcom2, you comquat.
Yes i just went there.
You make me ashamed that your a kirby player with this little self-respect for your character. lol
Ya know, with all the **** you put into the kirby boards, btw i havn't been there at all since our last talk about it as im scared of what i may see there, i thought you'd at least to be able to back it up with some crazy **** in person.
Guess I was wrong.
PEACE
-Brick