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Not...even...CLOSE.Great, now=
This is exactly like how PS All-Stars kept buffing Kat and Kratos and nerfing Jak and Sackboy.
If it is ok I'm going to borrow this and add to it.I've lurked (as usual) several hours on the patch related threads and made a lil patch note on Reddit, here's the quote :
Stuff that looks untouched :
-Rolls (:/)
-Shields
-Sonic, Pit, Dark Pit, Jigglypuff, Charizard, Donkey Dong, Peach, Palutena (will edit later)
Bugs :
-Bomb canceling fixed
-Turnip canceling fixed
-Yoshi teleport fixed
-Wectoring fixed
-Greninja's Dair cancel fixed
-Hyper Rollout fixed
-Villager's rocket kill on the ledge fixed
Bowser :
-Bowsercide = Bowser dies first -Fsmash deals 2% less damages, meaning that Dedede/Ganondorf now have the most powerful Smash in the game.
-Down tilt's second hit is harder to connect
Rosalina :
-Luma timer increased to 13 seconds
-Nair deals less damage, less kb as well
-Neutral B's distance covered has been lowered (Which is, in fact, a buff, that **** was hard to land properly.)
-Luma comes back faster
Ness :
-Down Throw nerfed from 9% to 7% (;_
-It now does the correct amount of damages on G&W
Marth :
-Looks like his Dthrow/Fthrow give more followups. (**** yes)
Lucina :
-Looks like her Dthrow/Fthrow g-oh wait I just said that two lines ago
Ike :
-Ike's Fair is significantly faster
-Looks like it can autocancel as well
-His Nair comes a bit quicker
-Jab looks fixed so all 3 attacks connect properly
-Ending lag on his Ftilt and Dtilt reduced
-Back air seems faster but I'm not sure at all
-Back air's damages increased by 1%
Toon Link:
-Jab damages increased by 1%
-His Utilt still does 5% despite the fact it does 6 on Wii U
Shulk :
-All Shulk's moves but Backslash are buffed, most of them do more damages (Ranging from 1% to 3%)
-Speed's damage penalty lowered
Little Mac :
-Jab does less damages
-KO Punch got buffed, KOes earlier (Somebody on Smashboards calced : It used to ko Jigs at 19% with vectoring, now it kills at 13%)
Falco :
-Blaster comes out quicker
-Our prayers got answered ! Dair looks faster. (Not instant but still quite fast now.)
Sheik :
-Looks like needles now have some ending lag to em
-Down B has less knockback
-Uair has less knockback
-Fair deals less damages
Zero Suit Samus :
-Side B now connects properly
-Air Dodge's landing lag standardized to the usual 22 frames
-Neutral B has more ending lag
-Neutral B quick shot has less range
Greninja :
-More lag on Usmash
Olimar :
-Pikmin Toss does more damages
Pacman :
-Hydrant got sturdier to the point Pacman's back-air can't send it flying
Mr Game & Watch :
-Thunder no longer completely fills Oil Panic's bucket
King Dedede :
-Down Throw now sends upward
-Dededecide kills Dedede first now
Zelda :
-Up tilt does 1% more damage
-Looks like Din's Fire has less ending lag to it
Ganondorf :
-Looks like Nair has less lag
Megaman :
-Looks like Leaf Shield throws out faster
Meta Knight :
-Nair deals more damages
-Down B sends more horizontally, allowing for earlier KOs
-Fthrow damages fixed
-Bthrow has a tiny bit more knockback
-Rejoice ! Bair KOs about ~25% earlier ! MK has a ko move eveybody !
Kirby :
-Foot based attacks have a bigger hitbox, kind of like Yoshi's tail attacks.
-Kirbycide kills Kirby first
-Looks like he's faster
-Nair has more lag ?
-Uair faster
-Upsmash has a sourspot
Luigi :
-Fsmash deals more damages
Mario :
-Utilt deals less damages
Wii Fit Trainer :
-Looks like Nair deals less damages, need confirmation on that one
-Air Dodge's landing lag standardized to the usual 22 frames
-Uair deals more damages
Pikachu :
-More knockback on Fsmash, Side B and Down B
Wario :
-No longer has that troublesome release animation so some characters can't combo him as easily as before
Link :
-Fsmash's second hit connects more easily
I've verified most of the stuff in it, but there are some things I didn't check, so feel free to use it.
I'll check if Yoshi and Rob are changed, I'll keep you informed.
You can still pivot grab...
Paralyzer is clearly slower though. What's this dash attack nerf for Yoshi?
We aren't talking about running u-smashes, we are talking about DACUSs.
I am absolutely 100% positive you could not. We had a huge debate talking about buffer states, and I spent the entire night in "frame advance" mode testing inputs.
Nope; Ampharos and I tested every single one of them.
He definitely got released the same way. Might not have been able to combo him due to other factors though.
Why? They were desperately needed. I was against him in Brawl, but even I can see he was way overnerfed for Smash 4.
I mean, she got more consistent, thats about it though. Alot of her stuff is QoL changes.
Since people were mixing both terms I assumed everyone was talking about dashes. Well, I can't test DACUS , I never even tried performing them on the 3DS.
Most of her customs have been buffed. Her moves in her vanilla setup is either fixed, buffed slightly or nerfed. I think you need to re-read the changes a little more before rambling inaccuracies.Great, now
This is exactly like how PS All-Stars kept buffing Kat and Kratos and nerfing Jak and Sackboy.
There were no grab release combos except on Wario (not counting crescent slash), and those have been removed.
I agree that he was somewhat overnerfed, but I didn't think he'd be buffed this much. I've been maining him for most of the 3ds release and still thought he was very viable.
It was idiotic and unwarranted either way.
To be honest, I'll take it the little nerfs in exchange for the hitbox fixes any day. ZSS was ridiculously inconsistent before. I hated landing fsmash only to have them just fall out of it.
It's not QUITE at his level, true. But, it's also relative.
honestly that move was probably broken in casual play so i can see why he changed it.
Her buffs are minor. ****ing read them holy ****. FSmash is a LITTLE (keyword: Little) safer. D-throw is at a slightly more favorable angle MAYBE, Fsmash hits CONSISTENTLY as opposed to badly, what the hell is the problem again?
Why wouldn't you? The nerfs were pretty inconsequential, overall.
Eh, may as well nerf falcon punch while they're at it, if they're going to nerf moves for the sake of casual...
I think it's also like a symbolic thing. Zelda mains: we are the %1.
