2nd coming of christ. are you ready?

[Eor]

What's with this recent influx of just letting everyone and their mom into the Debate Hall? Please, Crimson, be a little more exclusive in your invitations.

I disagree, I love these people.

 

[Crimson King]

Sadly, it's a double-edged sword. I remove the people who post poorly, and I kill all activity. I keep them and the intelligence lowers.

 

[aeghrur]

Lol, does that mean posting more crap but less intelligently keeps you in this place? It keeps the activity up. xD Jk, jk.

 

[RDK]

I disagree, I love these people.

Sadly, it's a double-edged sword. I remove the people who post poorly, and I kill all activity. I keep them and the intelligence lowers.

I suppose I see the benefit in this. It just gets tiring having to explain the same things over and over again to people.

I wish there was such a thing as an intelligent person with a differing viewpoint. But alas...

Spoiler

sarcasm

 

[Reaver197]

Well, in a way, even if it can be wearisome and repetitive, allowing lots of people in, regardless of intellectual standing, not only allows for more debate, it enables the more knowledgeable to teach the less knowledgeable. Sure, in the short term, not everyone is on the same page of intellectual discourse, but overtime, people will become educated, smarter, and better debaters. The opportunity to teach and learn is good for everyone.

 

[JonaDiaper]

=/ everyone has a conscience right? (idk if thats how you spell it)

well if everyone in the world told you differently but your conscience told you God existed, would you ignore it?

if all the facts lead to God not existing and your conscience told you it did, would you ignore it?

when your conscience speaks to you and you feel something in your heart, you follow it. well atleast i do.

if you ever have that feeling in you, that God is there, that hes watching over us, that hes there waiting for you to come to him, dont hold yourself back.

EE according to the Bible you would be sent to hell.

everyone else, i dont think i am capable of holding up a conversation/argument at this level.
i dont exactly know alot of things, and you guys are really smart lol, im just in the 11th grade and i honestly cant keep up.

but i believe in can do one more thing.

tell you that Jesus loves you, and he doesnt want you to suffer eternally. He gives you eternal life for free, all you have to do is believe in him and follow him and he'll pull you through this life. the Bible says to preach the word to all nations, and im trying to do it here, but like so many times it happened in the Bible, his word was rejected and ignored. i just hope one day you guys can ignore what science tells you. ignore what man has created, and believe what God says, what the Bible says, of course it was written by man, but inspired by God.

please everyone,, just think about it

 

[RDK]

=/ everyone has a conscience right? (idk if thats how you spell it)

well if everyone in the world told you differently but your conscience told you God existed, would you ignore it?

Probably. But that's beside the point. I'd belive what the evidence says, not what other people say. And the evidence shows there's no reason to believe in a god.

Ignore what science tells you? My friend, that's where all the wrong in the world comes from.

 

[SkylerOcon]

=/ everyone has a conscience right? (idk if thats how you spell it)

well if everyone in the world told you differently but your conscience told you God existed, would you ignore it?

No I would not. If my conscience was telling me something, I would probably believe it. That said, my conscience tells me that any form of God does not exist.

if all the facts lead to God not existing and your conscience told you it did, would you ignore it?

Try not to reword things you've already said to make your posts seem longer.

when your conscience speaks to you and you feel something in your heart, you follow it. well atleast i do.

Good for you.

if you ever have that feeling in you, that God is there, that hes watching over us, that hes there waiting for you to come to him, dont hold yourself back.

More rewording.

EE according to the Bible you would be sent to hell.

All the more reason why the bible is wrong in many cases. I doubt that EE is lying about all he said, and if an apparently loving God sent him to hell just because he didn't believe in him, it would be pretty immature. It's like a little kid refusing to eat his Ice Cream because he got Vanilla instead of Chocolate.

I would do more on this, but CK pretty much tore the Bible apart in his post.

everyone else, i dont think i am capable of holding up a conversation/argument at this level.
i dont exactly know alot of things, and you guys are really smart lol, im just in the 11th grade and i honestly cant keep up.

I'm in 9th grade.

but i believe in can do one more thing.

tell you that Jesus loves you, and he doesnt want you to suffer eternally. He gives you eternal life for free, all you have to do is believe in him and follow him and he'll pull you through this life. the Bible says to preach the word to all nations, and im trying to do it here, but like so many times it happened in the Bible, his word was rejected and ignored. i just hope one day you guys can ignore what science tells you. ignore what man has created, and believe what God says, what the Bible says, of course it was written by man, but inspired by God.

please everyone,, just think about it

This seems like more of a desperate plea for back-up rather than an actual debate. I have no qualms with your belief in God, but you aren't even trying to debate this. It feels more like you're trying to scare us with claims about how we'll be sent to hell if we don't believe in God.

 

[Crimson King]

You are getting the line-by-line treatment.

=/ everyone has a conscience right? (idk if thats how you spell it)

No, everyone does not have a conscience. Serial killers, politicians, anyone who routinely breaks rules and laws for their own gain does not.

well if everyone in the world told you differently but your conscience told you God existed, would you ignore it?

Well, nothing. My conscience not only doesn't question my unbelief in a god, but it reinforces it. So either A. I have no conscience, refuting your first line, or B. my conscience feels there is no god, refuting your second line.

if all the facts lead to God not existing and your conscience told you it did, would you ignore it?

Facts outweigh intuition. Intuition and conscience comes from thing we are taught as children. If in my gut, I know that touching fire is a bad thing, but then I learn that it's ok to touch some types of fires, my knowledge outweighs intuition.

when your conscience speaks to you and you feel something in your heart, you follow it. well atleast i do.

This is unquantifiable.

if you ever have that feeling in you, that God is there, that hes watching over us, that hes there waiting for you to come to him, dont hold yourself back.

And if I haven't, I should hold myself back? I used to be Christian, for 18 years. Then one day, I began to feel nothing in church. I was pretty devout at that, but as I prayed, it felt nothing, dead. Then I prayed for some chance at god coming to me and saying I was useful and I was special; nothing happened.

everyone else, i dont think i am capable of holding up a conversation/argument at this level.
i dont exactly know alot of things, and you guys are really smart lol, im just in the 11th grade and i honestly cant keep up.

You can't keep up because religion and faith has ******** your deductive abilities. Common sense, logic, and reason are always on the opposite side of religion. Why is that? Because religion does not make any sense. You are praying to a divine, invisible entity that will touch your soul, which no one has ever seen, ever. This very notion is pretty laughable to anyone with common sense. If I started praying to the Stick Monster to touch my homonoly, the spirit within my bones, you'd find that funny, but then you turn around and believe that this invisible entity created the earth in 6 days, rested BECAUSE HE WAS TIRED, and then 4,000 years later he had a 14 year old virgin give birth to his son that he knew would die.

tell you that Jesus loves you, and he doesnt want you to suffer eternally. He gives you eternal life for free, all you have to do is believe in him and follow him and he'll pull you through this life. the Bible says to preach the word to all nations, and im trying to do it here, but like so many times it happened in the Bible, his word was rejected and ignored. i just hope one day you guys can ignore what science tells you. ignore what man has created, and believe what God says, what the Bible says, of course it was written by man, but inspired by God.

First, eternal life isn't free. You have to tithe in most churches and give up an enormous amount of time in whispering to something that doesn't exist. Since time is money, if you go to church 1 hour a week, every week from the age of 18 to 65, you are giving up 2,444 hours in a life time, at minimum wage, that's $15,800 less than if you spent that doing something productive. Also, if you don't want to work, you would gain 101 days wasted by the time you are 65. Personally, I enjoy that time.

Secondly, the bible tells you to preach because it's the only way to propagate the message. If 1 person, on his own volition decides to spread the word, no one will listen. If 100 people are demanded to spread the word, at least one person will listen and the church will grow exponentially. Ignoring what science said is the same thing as my saying ignore what is proven without a doubt in favor of hearsay that has been heavily edited throughout the ages for political and personal gains.

please everyone,, just think about it

I think, and that's why I can't pray.

If you'd like to continue this in a one-on-one manner where I am more comfortable giving my experiences in the Christian faith, feel free to IM me. I'm not that belligerent.

 

[Amide]

Trying to win an argument with conscience is just about as subjective as you can get. Yes, your conscience is important in several decisions. But since when do gut feelings have more worth than facts in debates? Never. To be fair though when it comes to conscience, I just told god in my head to feed the poor. Something I truly care about. I got no response.

I don't feel god exists in my heart as well as my brain.

Edit: I really wish that the 95 percent of this country that isn't atheist could read some of this thread. Great job everybody.

 

[RDK]

You can't keep up because religion and faith has ******** your deductive abilities. Common sense, logic, and reason are always on the opposite side of religion. Why is that? Because religion does not make any sense. You are praying to a divine, invisible entity that will touch your soul, which no one has ever seen, ever. This very notion is pretty laughable to anyone with common sense. If I started praying to the Stick Monster to touch my homonoly, the spirit within my bones, you'd find that funny, but then you turn around and believe that this invisible entity created the earth in 6 days, rested BECAUSE HE WAS TIRED, and then 4,000 years later he had a 14 year old virgin give birth to his son that he knew would die.

I think I just atheist-gasmed.

 

[AltF4]

JohnDiaper:

You see, what you are arguing is evidence from subjective experience. You claim to "feel", in some indescribable way, that god exists. You are not the only one, either. Plenty of people claim the same thing. Why are these claims not taken seriously, then? Two reasons:

1) Evidence must be objective, not subjective. If you cannot present your argument to others, then it is not an argument. I could just as easily claim to believe just as strongly that the Easter Bunny exists, and provide no evidence of it. Of course my claims (without evidence) would be very unconvincing to you.

So when you make assertions to us about a magical man in the clouds, don't expect us to take your word for it. You have to give us a reason to believe.

2) Subjective experience is highly unreliable. People claim to have been abducted by aliens, people claim to have seen the future, people constantly claim all kinds of absurd things. Are they all lying? No. They in all likelihood did in fact experience that which they claim to. But that doesn't mean what they experienced actually happened.

Human memory is incredibly fallible. Take a look at this study, or any other similar one. Just because you remember something, doesn't mean it happened. This is why subjective experience is not even a valid argument for one's self

For example, if I woke up one morning and Santa Clause was standing at the foot of my bed and took me along to the north pole to see his elves. And I had a wonderful day eating candy and making toys, and was flown back to bed.

The next day, should I then be convinced that Santa is real? No. Despite these experiences, Santa is not real. I would be forced into the conclusion that I was crazy or hallucinated (or dreamed) the entire thing. Not the absurd notion that Santa is real.

 

[JonaDiaper]

im not trying to scare you about hell, its your decision wether or not you want to be afraid of it. but common sence tells me to fear a place of eternal suffering. crimson king, i didnt feel anything at church either until up about a year ago. i never really looked for God. its called looking for God for a reason. you have to go to him, not him to you. God doesnt need anything from anyone, why should he come to you? if you want him he will come. standing in church is not enough. you need to try again. but try to look for God more. there is no real formula or specific way i can tell you how to do that but, put it this way. if you look for him youll find him

 

[RDK]

im not trying to scare you about hell, its your decision wether or not you want to be afraid of it. but common sence tells me to fear a place of eternal suffering. crimson king, i didnt feel anything at church either until up about a year ago. i never really looked for God. its called looking for God for a reason. you have to go to him, not him to you. God doesnt need anything from anyone, why should he come to you? if you want him he will come. standing in church is not enough. you need to try again. but try to look for God more. there is no real formula or specific way i can tell you how to do that but, put it this way. if you look for him youll find him

Despite this post being riddled with contradictions, I'll reply anyway.

Isn't the whole point of Christianity that God came to us, not us to him? People supposedly don't start believing until "the Holy Spirit moves upon them" or some such other nonsense. If this is true, then how is it anybody's fault if they die not believing?

He already stated that he looked for God, and there was pretty much no response. What's to be done then?

 

[Mr.Lombardi34]

EE according to the Bible you would be sent to hell.

Looks like someone just won gold at the Missing-the-Point Olympics.

Now, this is something I made in a similar debate on another forum:

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The Albujiellia

500 years ago, the earth was created by Charles, the great armadillo. Charles cannot be seen, heard, felt, or sensed by any means, but he is the ruler of all humanity. Those who believe in him and worship him shall be blessed, and those who have disbelief shall be cursed. He is all knowing and all powerful, and has written the Albujiellia through men.

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This is the Albujiellia, a holy text. I believe it, anybody who disagrees is dumb, a sinner, and going to a horrible place. Prove me wrong.


I could come with a infinite number of such texts. Lucy, the mighty polar bear, Bruce, the all-powerful platypus... The list goes on. There could be thousands of religions who all believe in a different God - So how do you know the Christian God is the real one? 1/5000 chance, considering all those religions!
__________________

 

[Blackadder]

EE's post made my tingle in places I've never tingled before. Bravo!

Look, JohnDiaper. I said it before. No one is going to be converted here. You can't prove to any of us that don't already believe that the Christian God is real.

You've got to learn to respect other people's thoughts on the matter... the more "jesus is real believe or go to hell!" you throw at the Hall, the more dogmatic and silly you sound.

... In fact, y'know what? Explore. Look up other religious groups. Check out Agnostic or Atheist beliefs. Try and form an opinion that's truly your own. Just stop trusting the bible a full 100% for a bit. Test yourself. Open your mind. I'm not saying you're wrong to think like you do (... Okay, so I AM just a bit!) but I think you could really benefit from questioning yourself. I even think it takes MORE faith to NOT believe in a convenient religion that automatically saves you from eternal ****ation. More faith in YOURSELF, that is.

And you're REALLY coming off to me as the guy who follows the bible blindly solely because he’s scared of Hell. That's just bull.

I sound preachy! But just try peeping out of your little hole for a bit.

(And don't tell me to do the same and test Christianity, because I've been there, done that. Like EE, I just couldn't have faith. Not my thing.)

Open mindedness is fun-time, yes?

EDIT:
And yes, I'm aware of the irony of saying no one is going to change their minds here right before asking that he question his own faith.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

God must be a disturbingly petty being of he's going to condemn me to eternal ****ation just because I didn't believe in him, no matter what type of person I was in life.


I don't see a point of having religious threads in the Debate Hall, because there's no way to actually debate it. Atheists can bring in logic and reason, but all theists can bring in the faith, so the argument comes to a stand still.

 

[-Mars-]

Jesus Christ's second coming has been prophesized for thousands of years. Almost all cultures believe in some form of a higher being.

The Atheistic view is interesting to me. With all of these culteures believing in a supreme-being and the World being so complex.......how could you not belive in a higher being?

I'm not even talking about just God(who I do believe in), but just a creator.

You look at just the human body and I think how impossible it is to comprehend unless someone meticulously put it together themself.

@RDK, the Bible specifically says if you die with no knowledge of God, then you are not held accountable. Humans such as aborted or infant babies, uncivilized beings in undiscovered savage lands, and ignorant people in third-world countries are not held accountable.

If you live in any civilized culture...........you have at least heard about God. Choosing to ignore him or write him off is your own choice. In today's society the outlets available to you are enormous.

Ever since you were little, you knew right from wrong. Where do you think that knowledge came from? Logic would say that it came from a supreme being that placed that knowledge inside of you. No one ever taught you how to lie, how to be defiant, how to steal.....you already knew. This suggests to me that God is real and Satan is real.

 

[Deleted member]

Why oh WHY do people insist on blathering on about how God doesn't exist because Christianity doesn't make a whole lotta sense?!?

Think for yourSELVES. Think about God and higher powers without the religious mumbo jumbo and you'll be better off for it.

Jesus.

 

[-Mars-]

That's the reason why we have Pastors. To explain the parts of scripture we don't understand. I can agree that Christianity is complex............sometimes I even have doubts in my faith. In fact, believing in Christianity pretty much comes down to faith. Since we can't technically directly contact God, or prove everyhthing in the Bible(even though most is proven), it's a matter of Faith.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

or prove everyhthing in the Bible(even though most is proven)

Would you like to try and cite this, or continue believing this lie?

 

[Deleted member]

Would you like to try and cite this, or continue believing this lie?

Forget about that idiot. Respond to ME. My post is what you need to be responding to. You don't need the crutch that is the "religious nut-job flame". The "atheists"* in this thread need to be challenged. They're like 12th graders ****** 6th grade math. It's just stupid.

EE's post was nothing special, boys.


*the guys who call themselves atheists but really aren't

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

Whatever you say.

Why oh WHY do people insist on blathering on about how God doesn't exist because Christianity doesn't make a whole lotta sense?!?

Christianity is the major driving force of idiocy when it comes to most religious debating, so it usually comes down to that.

Think for yourSELVES. Think about God and higher powers without the religious mumbo jumbo and you'll be better off for it.

I do think for myself, and I still don't believe in God. There.

Jesus.

lulz

 

[Mr.Lombardi34]

Jesus Christ's second coming has been prophesized for thousands of years. Almost all cultures believe in some form of a higher being.

The Atheistic view is interesting to me. With all of these culteures believing in a supreme-being and the World being so complex.......how could you not belive in a higher being?

There's a simple explanation for this - Way back in ancient times, somebody created a holy text/religion, and after years upon years of translations, rewrites and changes, many new religions formed. Every notice how similar some major religions are? It makes perfect sense that many are derived from an original religion.

I'm not even talking about just God(who I do believe in), but just a creator.

You look at just the human body and I think how impossible it is to comprehend unless someone meticulously put it together themself.

It's already been said, but the human body is not very well designed, to say the least. Nearly every good trait we have is bested by another animal. You can claim intelligence makes us best, but intelligence is not a part of the body. Our intelligence has been developing over many years, that's easy to see.

Ever since you were little, you knew right from wrong. Where do you think that knowledge came from? Logic would say that it came from a supreme being that placed that knowledge inside of you. No one ever taught you how to lie, how to be defiant, how to steal.....you already knew. This suggests to me that God is real and Satan is real.

Ah, but Atheists' beliefs also make sense. Humans evolved over billions of years - You can see human traits in apes. They not only resemble us closely, but they're intelligence is also very close to ours - Some have even learned sign language. This makes perfect sense as well.

My answers in bold.

 

[Aesir]

I'm only replying to Del because I don't have an inferiority complex.

Why oh WHY do people insist on blathering on about how God doesn't exist because Christianity doesn't make a whole lotta sense?!?

Unless I'm mistaken the non-theists don't use Christianity as the bulk of their argument. Just most on this board are from the Americas, so there's about a 2/3 chance any theists in here are going to be of the Christian Religion. So there's a pretty big chance that a theist will bring up their religion (usually Christianity.) That's where the Christianity hate comes from.

Then again I could be completely wrong and it could just be force of habit for many.

Think for yourSELVES. Think about God and higher powers without the religious mumbo jumbo and you'll be better off for it. .

A case can be made for a non-intervention god. (deistic) However if you're going to talk about a god from dogma that's where the argument falls apart.

 

[JonaDiaper]

Despite this post being riddled with contradictions, I'll reply anyway.

Isn't the whole point of Christianity that God came to us, not us to him? People supposedly don't start believing until "the Holy Spirit moves upon them" or some such other nonsense. If this is true, then how is it anybody's fault if they die not believing?

He already stated that he looked for God, and there was pretty much no response. What's to be done then?

Jesus came for us, to save us. we have to accept him and follow him. Jesus said somewhere in the Bible, pick up your cross, and follow me. He doesnt chase you around.

I have felt the Holy Spirit and man is it amazing. its like, you cant contain yourself and you just start moving without even trying, and then you speak in tongues but you have no idea what your saying, and while all this is happening i still had my conscience and i could think and i was like wow whats happening and it just felt amazing, anyways the Holy Spirit comes to you when your ready for it, you gotta ask for it and you gotta pray alot and you have to be doing good with God. you gotta be on the right path, and it will come. so it would be someones fault if they knew about the Holy Spirit but did not ask for it, and didnt want it.

God responds on his own time, he tests our faith, he tries us, to see if we are going to be truly faithful to him and not just give up after the first day of praying and not receiving. you have to trust God and he'll always hook you up. he will never fail you. i can say from first hand experience that he has never failed me. even tho im praying for something right now that i havent received yet, i know its going to come. it just takes faith

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

I have felt the Holy Spirit and man is it amazing. its like, you cant contain yourself and you just start moving without even trying, and then you speak in tongues but you have no idea what your saying, and while all this is happening i still had my conscience and i could think and i was like wow whats happening and it just felt amazing

I think that's a stroke.

 

[aeghrur]

I have felt the Holy Spirit and man is it amazing. its like, you cant contain yourself and you just start moving without even trying, and then you speak in tongues but you have no idea what your saying, and while all this is happening i still had my conscience and i could think and i was like wow whats happening and it just felt amazing, anyways the Holy Spirit comes to you when your ready for it, you gotta ask for it and you gotta pray alot and you have to be doing good with God. you gotta be on the right path, and it will come. so it would be someones fault if they knew about the Holy Spirit but did not ask for it, and didnt want it.

Uh-huh, and can you prove this? Like, any way? How do we know you feel good? How do you know you spoke in different languages? How do we know this holy spirit exists and you have experienced it? This is the same argument as for religion: You must have faith in me to know that I've done these things. Truth is, you can't really show us that something like this consistently happens. It's not like, if we told you to let go of an apple, it would drop. You could test that, quickly, efficiently, and see it happen. No, what your telling us is we must pray MORE, when some of us have already done so, just so we could experience this weird sensation and be happy, yet... how many christians actually experience this? Seriously, if I wanted to get happy, I could get some weed, it's more consistent than the stuff you say to try.

God responds on his own time, he tests our faith, he tries us, to see if we are going to be truly faithful to him and not just give up after the first day of praying and not receiving. you have to trust God and he'll always hook you up. he will never fail you. i can say from first hand experience that he has never failed me. even tho im praying for something right now that i havent received yet, i know its going to come. it just takes faith

Oh yeah? Well, ya know, there's a great quote for this:
Two hands working is more productive than a thousand hands in prayer.
Yes, you believe it will get done, but wouldn't it be much more efficient to just get it yourself instead of relying on something that might not exist? How does god give you this thing you want anyhow? I would really like to know.

He tests our faith? Why can't we test him in return? If I have faith, and he tests it, how can I test back that he will reward that faith? Anyway? Nope, none at all. This is all based on faith, and frankly, it doesn't hold much merit in a debate IMO.

In then end, your arguments amount to faith, and that's it. Look, I understand that to you, an argument based on faith holds merit, but to me, I need logical or analytical evidence instead of simply it happened to me, and I believe it, so you should have faith and it will happen to you. Faith is just too... twisted I guess, for a lack of better word. I can say: I believe in the flying spaghetti monster, he bestowed knowledge upon me, believe him and he shall do the same, just have faith... yet neither argument is better than the other... >_<

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

I think that's a stroke.

Be serious here, I too have felt the Holy Spirit and its a great feeling not a stroke.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

Be serious here, I too have felt the Holy Spirit and its a great feeling not a stroke.

Well, that's the thing. How do you know it was your God? I could say that I have felt the noodly appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but have I been? A stroke sounds like a far more reasonable explanation for babbling and convulsions than the Holy Spirit to me.

 

[aeghrur]

I have felt the flying spaghetti monster. It was amazing. I mean, it was amazing beyond imagine. Pray to the FSM and have faith and you shall feel this joy too.

That's basically your argument... >_> What makes God more credible than the flying spaghetti monster? Both can't be disproved... so... nothing. Oh, sorry one has a book supporting it... -_-"

Edit: Lol, logical minds think alike huh? Both going for the same response. xD

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

Haha, yeah, that was weird. Although, FSM has the The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

[Deleted member]

Aesir and Dam:

It doesn't matter if most of the religious posters on this forum are Christian. What matters is the majority of the posts in this topic have been flaming Christianity. While that isn't inherently wrong, the conclusions drawn from those posts are just absurd. It doesn't matter what Christians believe - that shouldn't impact your own beliefs.

Dam specifically:

When I say think for yourself, I don't mean "stop believing in religious hype". Question the world around you. The only conclusion you can draw logically (despite whatever ANYONE says here) is that you cannot know the true answers of the universe. So think for yourself - and if you still come back with ridiculous views, I'll be happy to shoot you down further.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

When I say think for yourself, I don't mean "stop believing in religious hype". Question the world around you. The only conclusion you can draw logically (despite whatever ANYONE says here) is that you cannot know the true answers of the universe. So think for yourself - and if you still come back with ridiculous views, I'll be happy to shoot you down further.

So your view is "I can't explain how this all happened, so it must have been God"? If everyone thought like that, we would still be in the Dark Ages.

 

[Deleted member]

So your view is "I can't explain how this all happened, so it must have been God"? If everyone thought like that, we would still be in the Dark Ages.

When did I ever say that? Don't straw man my argument.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

When did I ever say that? Don't straw man my argument.

I can't get any conclusion from this:

Question the world around you. The only conclusion you can draw logically (despite whatever ANYONE says here) is that you cannot know the true answers of the universe. So think for yourself - and if you still come back with ridiculous views, I'll be happy to shoot you down further.

other than the world is too amazing for it not to have been created by God. Care to explain what you actually meant?

 

[Deleted member]

You cannot say definitively that God does not exist. If you say that you believe he does not exist, you are stating you believe in something that has no evidence to support your claim, thus you are just as bad as the theists you mock.

However, for true epiphanies, you need to get off this forum. That's why I suggested thinking for yourself.

You need to keep in mind several things:

1. God is not necessarily all-knowing or all-powerful

2. Heaven / Hell are requisites of Christianity - not IWontGetOverTheDam-ism

3. Wisest is he who knows he does not know

 

[aeghrur]

What are the true answers/questions to the answers of the universe?
1. Why are we here/what's our purpose?
2. How did we get here?
3. What's after death?
Is that what you meant?

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

You cannot say definitively that God does not exist.

"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" is a fallacy of an argument.

If you say that you believe he does not exist, you are stating you believe in something that has no evidence to support your claim, thus you are just as bad as the theists you mock.

I read this somewhere, but I don't remember where: "If atheism is a belief system, than not collecting stamps is a hobby." The principle of atheism is that I don't believe in a higher power, not that I believe there is not a higher power. There's a difference.

However, for true epiphanies, you need to get off this forum. That's why I suggested thinking for yourself.

You need to keep in mind several things:

1. God is not necessarily all-knowing or all-powerful

2. Heaven / Hell are requisites of Christianity - not IWontGetOverTheDam-ism

3. Wisest is he who knows he does not know

You keep saying that. "Think for yourself." Well, I don't need to listen to the opinions of others to know that I don't believe in a higher power.

 

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Learn your fallacies. What I said does not constitute fallacious reasoning.

If you don't believe in a higher power, and only that, you are agnostic. Stop calling yourself atheist; it's a misuse of the term.

When I say think for yourself, you don't need to yell at me that you enjoy your independence. Exercise it more freely. Let your thoughts cultivate. Don't dismiss thoughts about God to be ridiculous. You are not crazy for suggesting a possible creator. Whoever does that is an idiot. To be properly educated on the subject, you need to understand and entertain both positions. What results is ultimately a state of ignorance.