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11 Year Old Gives Birth On Wedding Day
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CRASHiC
Smash Hero
No, its not getting worse. Read the Kensky reports on sexuality sometime. Some things are wrong, but the majority of them, especially the statistics, have stayed mostly the same. In fact, some say he was too conservative with his estimate. People aren't having sex at a younger age at all. My uncle can attest for that. He was in middle/high school in the super conservative 50s. Even more, he moved frequently, because my family was busy setting up Waffle House at the time, so every time a new one opened up they would move to that town. He can attest that people had sex at the same ages there, only that they kept it hidden. He also heard similar stories from soldiers why he was in Vietnam. My grandfather also attest the same thing. My father himself was one of these sexual deviants during the 1960s-1970s. He had relations with 2 of his teachers in high school, though that was never something you'd even hear about on the news back then because it was thought unspeakable. Hell, he was even caught by my uncle
(my uncle and my father are two generations apart exactly, being 18 years apart and both born in October). Neither my uncle nor my father can count how many women they have been with but my grandfather has a keen memory and can tell you he has been the total of 63 women, keep in mind this was during the great depression, and he spent much of his time shipped off for the Korean war. Nothing about our sexual makeup has changed in the last 60 years where we first had statistics and studies done about it.
There is no 'moral degradation'
Is she making a really stupid decision here? Yes. Several huge stupid decisions, but this story is in no way a sign that people are becoming monkeys.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
@Crashic- Im sorry but I couldnt stop laughing at tht last sentence XD We are becomming monkeys XD...
Are these people really the future leaders of the world? **** I can't wait till we colonize the moon or mars, cuz Im getting the **** out of here when these people take charge... actually its already happening with Chavez (no offense to Venezuelans... wait its Venezuela right?)
Are these people really the future leaders of the world? **** I can't wait till we colonize the moon or mars, cuz Im getting the **** out of here when these people take charge... actually its already happening with Chavez (no offense to Venezuelans... wait its Venezuela right?)
Statutory ****, yes.
Sad as it is, this is false. If she hadn't entered puberty how could she have had the child?
I guess I could see this argument, except for the fact that this wasn't a very grown up 16 year old, this was an ELEVEN YEAR OLD.
Not necessarily. It takes about 9 months for a baby. She could have both conceived and given birth at the same age.
The number of times things like this happen simply because the girl doesn't know what's going on other than "it feels nice." Roacherman's got the idea.
Or option c: People are stupid. Never underestimate the achievable level of human stupidity.
I doubt it'd be force, you don't usually hang around and marry the guy, but I don't know what the gypsy reaction to this is. For all I know, a shotgun wedding may be their way.
She wasn't even a teen.
And I don't think it is getting worse, just that people are no longer staying silent. Pedo's aren't becoming priests anymore because people are coming forward now, for example.The Drifter
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I have given up on humanity for a long time. All I needed was an excuse to do so.
Well, I got it.
This is disturbing on so many levels. I am disgusted at this whole story. The only thing that satisfies me out of this is they both will face concequences for this.
Well, I got it.
This is disturbing on so many levels. I am disgusted at this whole story. The only thing that satisfies me out of this is they both will face concequences for this.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
The leaders of the past owned Slaves.
The leaders of the past committed genocide
The Leaders of the past were dictators
The leaders of the past had illegitimate arguably forced relations with their slaves (Thomas Jefferson)
The leaders of the past did drugs, had sex with prostitutes, and signed themselves with an anti-god association (Benjamen Franklin among other signers of the Deceleration of Independence- members of the hellfire club)
The leaders of the past committed war crimes (George Washington when he asked half of his soldiers to shoot and kill the other half after trying to abandon them during the year long winter)
Stupid people have ALWAYS existed. Horrible leaders or leaders who ran immoral lives despite being incredibly capable movers and shakers existed in the past. Chavez is nothing compared to some of the people that have existed in the past, and claiming that he is a sign of the world going to crap is a little silly when the previous generations brought us Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Ronald Regan (jk
). I hate to break it to you also, but not everyone becomes a 'leader of the world.' Especially not this couple. He is going to jail, and she will likely have the child taken away from her, never finish basic schooling, and lived a poor life. There is a reason when Yale looses a Basketball game they shout "Hey, that's okay, that's alright, one day you all will work for us!" A select few become the leaders, and you can't take a few extreme stories as an example of an entire generation. If I did that, what does Mariyln Manroe and JFK's story as well as Clinton tell us about all presidents? Does their extreme case show that all presidents use their power to achieve their goals with women? No, no it doesn't. The press flocks to the extremes of what the public wants to hear. There are many more disturbing stories that we will never hear because they think it would turn readers and listeners off, but they still want stories that shock and aww and grab your attention. Clearly as shown by this thread, this has done that. Using this as an example for all of a generation is like me saying that because that one girl Hickuped for an incredibly long time that this generation must have hickup problems. Everything surrounding this story is abnormal. Its not a case for or against a generation by any means.
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
When they said teenager, I wasn't expecting 19...
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
im almost old enough to be her daddy
what is the world coming to?
what is the world coming to?
Scabe
Successful Businessman
I don't know why I find this amusing. :freak:
Pikaville
Pikaville returns 10 years later.
I have no problem with people of ANY age having sex because that's not the problem.If kids want to have sex at age 8 then who cares
The problem here is she has given up probably the best years of her life to have this child and since she is a 11 her family will have to support both her and the baby,because the father is most certainly going to jail.
Having sex at 11 is fine,having babies really isn't.
The problem here is she has given up probably the best years of her life to have this child and since she is a 11 her family will have to support both her and the baby,because the father is most certainly going to jail.
Having sex at 11 is fine,having babies really isn't.
F8AL
Banned via Warnings
Ugh...what is the world coming to?
Dragoomba
Smash Lord
My GOD.lolnews said:
Why was he even at that school?
Moon of the Strawberries
Smash Journeyman
I understand the entire fact that getting pregnant at 11 is entirely possible, but when I think about the thought it still makes me sick. I just keep thinking back to the time I was 11, just the whole reality of it sinks in.
The whole ordeal about her "not buying toys anymore" and not continuing her education worries me. The first being the no school concept, how she has so many years of school to do and yet she's just abandoning that idea. At least the girl should try, because that's just an elementary-school level; that's not enough to land her a good job of any sorts.
But the part about not buying toys because "she has a new one" is just, slightly disturbing. For one she won't enjoy her childhood, won't live it out because she has a baby to take care of. But the latter statement just makes me cringe; any person who references their child as a toy scares me. She doesn't understand how serious this is, I doubt she grasps the understanding she's taking care of a living being, not a doll. That's the part that worries me the most.
The whole ordeal about her "not buying toys anymore" and not continuing her education worries me. The first being the no school concept, how she has so many years of school to do and yet she's just abandoning that idea. At least the girl should try, because that's just an elementary-school level; that's not enough to land her a good job of any sorts.
But the part about not buying toys because "she has a new one" is just, slightly disturbing. For one she won't enjoy her childhood, won't live it out because she has a baby to take care of. But the latter statement just makes me cringe; any person who references their child as a toy scares me. She doesn't understand how serious this is, I doubt she grasps the understanding she's taking care of a living being, not a doll. That's the part that worries me the most.
sammy p
Smash Lord
yea i wouldnt be able to believe that the child could even be born healthy with her mothr being at such a young age. that crazy maaaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: and the boy was 19???? DUMBA**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what in the H*** could that boy be THINKING?!?!?!?
He was thinking about how hot she was, what a perfect match for him she was.
"the problem with pedophilia is sexy children." -a gamefaq user's sig
It kind of bothers me that so many posters in this thread who think this happening is wrong, do so because it's an 11 yo giving birth, and not even mentioning that it was a 19 yo man that did the deed.
BTW I believe the world record for the youngest person giving birth is still 6 yo, a South American child who was impregnated by her father. The child and ... her child (lord) lived IIRC.
I don't doubt this 11 yo was advanced beyond her years, either due to sexual molestation, or just because. Biologically speaking, though rare, some girls get their periods really early (even if not molested), even as early as 9. Maybe gypsies think that once you start your period, you're fair game?
I know one thing.
This speaks volumes about what kind of man he is, what kind of parents raised her, and what kind of society it is they live in that they even got as far as they did. I mean, marriage? Some 19 yo tries to get a marriage license to marry an 11 yo here, lol hell no. I believe Maine is still the most liberal of our states in this sort of thing:
The age of consent in Maine is 16. Teenagers aged 14 and 15 may engage in sexual intercourse with partners who are less than 5 years older.
Sexual abuse of minors 1. A person is guilty of sexual abuse of a minor if: A. The person engages in a sexual act with another person, not the actor's spouse, who is either 14 or 15 years of age and the actor is at least 5 years older than the other person.
Lesson learned from all this: If you're an adult looking for kids to marry (and whatever else), move to Bulgaria, apparently it's easy.
jber4life
Smash Apprentice
Just out of curiosity, how many people actually read the full article before jumping to conclusions?
It's a completely different culture over there, with people getting married and having children when there in there early teens is not uncommon. Plus apart from that the parents of the baby, seem to be quite responsible. Even the parents of the 11 year old are not condemning the situation.
Plus this isn't exactly new news. This type of thing has been happening for hundreds of years. Its not particularly uncommon for this to happen in underdeveloped country's. There are written records of these things happening to Slaves in the States. Except often in those situations, it was ****, not consensual sex. Which is much worse.
I am actually shocked at how people are reacting to this like its the end of humanity, when there are currently worse problems in the world. If you want to lose faith in humanity do it over the child prostitution going on in southeast Asia. http://www.walnet.org/csis/reports/ilo-98-31.html
Now, i am not saying I agree with this, in fact, i find the entire situation to be disturbing. But I am not judging any of the parties involved.
It's a completely different culture over there, with people getting married and having children when there in there early teens is not uncommon. Plus apart from that the parents of the baby, seem to be quite responsible. Even the parents of the 11 year old are not condemning the situation.
Plus this isn't exactly new news. This type of thing has been happening for hundreds of years. Its not particularly uncommon for this to happen in underdeveloped country's. There are written records of these things happening to Slaves in the States. Except often in those situations, it was ****, not consensual sex. Which is much worse.
I am actually shocked at how people are reacting to this like its the end of humanity, when there are currently worse problems in the world. If you want to lose faith in humanity do it over the child prostitution going on in southeast Asia. http://www.walnet.org/csis/reports/ilo-98-31.html
Now, i am not saying I agree with this, in fact, i find the entire situation to be disturbing. But I am not judging any of the parties involved.
Brightside6382
Smash Lord
How dare these people have a different culture and morals from our own!!! Obviously, the American way is the only right and sensible way in a world filled with savages like these!!! (end sarcasm)
Yoshi
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I just reread about the entire threat, and then it dawned on me... why the hell didn't he use a condom? Something smells fishy, and it isn't her. It's kind of weird in a way; why would a 19 year old be at an elementary school? My guess would be possibly a sibling went there, but then why be the one who help the little girl, do those schools not have parental supervision? So many questions to be asked, but facts are facts, and at least it's implied the baby is alright. In the America court system, obviously yes he would to time for pedophilia and possibly other crimes (none of which I can think of, so I doubt it), but maybe it's different in that side of the world. Maybe the fact she fell for him even at such a young age (and a big age gap to add) frightens people here in our side of the world. People change, maybe for the better, maybe for the worse.
sammy p
Smash Lord
D*** RIGHT!!!!
(ends sacrcasm as well)
Moon of the Strawberries
Smash Journeyman
Yea, the whole idea that he was at this school is rather interesting as well. Why would a 19 year old be at an elementary school anyway? I can see the whole sibling idea and all, but it's still weird. And the only idea I can think of for not using a condom is maybe he thought she was too young to get pregnant? I know a few guys who don't know girls can get pregnant at such a young age.
And I understand that in certain cultures it's fine for people to marry at young ages like that, i'm not saying anything against their ways of life or whatnot. It's just that, this story seems a tad...off. Maybe they're leaving something out, who knows. The only thing I can say is at least the father was sad that he couldn't see his child (showing he cares in some way) , and at least both mother and daughter are fine.
1048576
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Thank god someone finally has my back.
It's not wrong to have a different set of values, as long as you don't harm anyone. It is wrong to attempt to instill your values on others.
It seems like the care for the child will stay within the family and that the child will have its basic needs met, so what exactly is the problem? Something seems "icky" to you? Do you think an 11-year-old is incapable of free and informed consent?
It's not wrong to have a different set of values, as long as you don't harm anyone. It is wrong to attempt to instill your values on others.
It seems like the care for the child will stay within the family and that the child will have its basic needs met, so what exactly is the problem? Something seems "icky" to you? Do you think an 11-year-old is incapable of free and informed consent?
Moon of the Strawberries
Smash Journeyman
I know personally that only thing that i'm still not completely fine with is the whole ordeal about the father. Now, i'm fine knowing that he does care about both her and the child but it still bothers me slightly about his age. and how he found her in the first place. But that's just my opinion, and like I said, if the man is still true to her and the child then that's fine. Nice to know that he's supportive.
Exactly, as I spoke of that earlier myself.
No, you're right. Something definitely seems off.
First off, what would a fully-grown adult man be doing "lurking" public school property?
I think he somehow seized the opportunity of "saving her from bullies", seduced her in this manner to the point where she worshipped him as some big, strong protective lover, and then had sexual intercourse with a child eight years younger than him.
From the sound of it, the man planned it and took advantage of the child, while still trying to give off the image it was "consensual." This sounds orchestrated.
It's disgusting, he's legally a man and she's a child. A CHILD.
But even from her displayed picture in the article and the assumption that women from Eastern Europe mature faster, she does seem a bit older, and this may explain why specific genetics permitted her to concieve at such an early age.
I hope he sits in a cell, and ponders why it's not okay to commit statutory ****.
Now, I fear for the newborn. Unless the mother is with an extremely stable family, the baby will be neglected.
Ryan Ludovic
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AlcyoNite
Smash Champion
fixed.
also, i wouldnt want anyone here to forget that the man was ARRESTED and given SIX YEARS for this ****. so basically, no johns; this guy is sick
Cue Oingo Boingo's Little Girls song.
This is saddening, but anymore, not surprising. The fact that she calls it a new toy to play with shows she isn't ready.
This is saddening, but anymore, not surprising. The fact that she calls it a new toy to play with shows she isn't ready.
Agreed, but it's not the least bit surprising she has a mentality such as that. She is only 11 years old, practically a baby herself.
MattDotZeb
Smash Hero
I agree 100%.
Its culturally unnaceptable for a girl of her to age to have a child. Though, if you think about it, that's nothing new. This isn't the first time an 11 year old has given birth. Surely it wont be the last.
Like Crashic said, I do not endorse this.
It is the main goal of a species to live and reproduce. If you go back in time 4,000 years ago I'm sure finding an 11 year old with a child would not be too hard. Do not quote me on this, I have no proof to back it up and I'm not claiming it as fact.
Just the point is that if a girl shouldn't be giving birth at 11, like our culture says, her body wouldn't be able to give birth at 11.
Just want to point out that a prepubescent girl couldn't possibly have a child.
If you're having babies, you've started puberty.
EDIT: I am a semantics wh***.
instill (verb) - to impart gradually, to enter drop by drop, or to teach or impress by frequent repetitions or admonitions
I'm almost certain you didn't mean that the way you said it. We all instill our values into the people around us. Parent's teach their children by instilling particular values into them. Teachers do it at school. Friends do it through conversations. You are even doing that by making the moral value statement you made when you said that. You can't seriously mean that its wrong to instill values "on others."
Now, if you mean to say that you can't force values onto others, then I'd say you don't believe in democracy either, or any other representational form of government. When someone else votes against you in something that impacts you all, they aren't doing something immoral by forcing their values onto you.
For that matter, No. An 11 year-old is not capable of free and informed consent. I don't think most 16 year-olds are capable of that, let alone anyone younger than that. But 11? Certainly too young. Being physically mature enough to produce offspring does not mean that you are emotionally or intellectually mature enough to do so.
Even if that kid will be cared for, it doesn't necessarily make it "right" for her to be having children at her age. Plenty of studies have been done linking early sexual activity to severe mental disorders. Not to mention the fact that pregnancy REALLY messes with your body and giving birth is actually pretty serious trauma. The bodies of children who have children don't get to properly develop through the normal course, which can have neurological, as well as physical side effects. Oh, and since probably none of the idiots in this thread defending this have any children, you probably don't realize that its not exactly fun. There are joys associated with being a parent, but its also incredibly stressful and exhausting. When the little girl calls the baby a "new toy," it becomes pretty obvious she's not ready for this at all. In general, the later you engage in sexual activity, the better. Plain and simple.
Kantō
Smash Champion
how can you get married if your 11? or for that matter have a baby?!
Are you serious? It has nothing to do with -American- morality. Pedophilia is pedophilia. People like you are why the child sex trade is on such a sharp rise. And by people like you, I mean people that actually think something like that is okay, so long as it's not on American Soil. Get real, dude.
In short, no. That's why it's illegal!!! Normal human beings can tell the difference between an adult and a child. Adult's don't have sex with kids (because it harms the child, DUH), unless they are depraved. And defending that action, for -any- reason, makes YOU depraved.
There isn't any wiggle room on this, you two. You're either right or wrong. Pedophile, or not pedophile. And I'll even go so far as to say that by not condemning the man's actions is in fact an indication that somewhere deep inside you, there lies a pedophile waiting to be born. What else am I to consider you? An intellectual? "Oh, I'm just reasoning that it's improper to expect the same moral judgments of others, than here in America, cause we're not the end-all of morality." Bull f'ing ****. Unless a country actually passes a law that says it's ok for an adult to F a child, I don't wanna hear any excuses. And even IF a country did do that (which would never happen, obviously), it wouldn't change my mind about how wrong pedophilia is.
She had already started her period. And in that country, you can get married at a younger age than here, apparently. He was arrested b/c she was pregnant, not for marrying her. If he'd waited to impregnate her until -after- the wedding, he may have gotten away with it. But he couldn't keep it in his pants. What WAS he doing there to begin with? Trolling for kids, apparently, and he got him one.
This is a dangerous argument that suggests physiology supersedes other factors, or it is the only one in determining what is normal or okay.
It is true that, several million years ago, girls reached puberty somewhere between 7 and 14, which is similar to girls nowadays (around age 13). This was approximately the age at which psychological and social maturity was reached, in terms of being able to function in a prehistoric community or "society".
But we are no longer in the stone age. Alongside physiology, other things have also evolved and developed: society, culture, technology. Unsurprisingly, these have grown at a much faster rate than physiology. In modern society, it is no longer necessary (ie, for survival of a clan/family/the human species) to reproduce at an early age and is actually quite detrimental. Thanks to our modern advancements and infrastructure (which have propelled the human species to the top of the food chain), having a child early makes it difficult to care for and support the child (it conflicts with things like education and work), not to mention that children born early tend to be worse off academically and physically than children born to relatively older mothers, which makes these children less competitive in society.
In other words, it's important to remember that things like society, culture, and ethics are not just things arbitrarily invented by people that have nothing to do with biology.
I understand that some of you guys are saying you agree with what culture/society say, just that from a biological standpoint this is normal. But I think that is wrong, because you are creating a distinction between biology and culture/society. The only reason we have culture and society is because our biology (bigger frontal lobes, ability to think and reason, etc) allowed us to develop it. We were allowed to become the complex civilization we are today because of those biological changes, and that one of the results of this is that children are better cared for and educated because we don't have to have children so early.
So yeah, this might be physiologically normal, but culture, society, and physiology are all aspects of biology. Even though physiology is at odds with culture and society in this case, it doesn't make it strictly "normal", biologically speaking.
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