1.1.3 Patch Notes Discussion

[Player-1]

Your description says team healing has been nerfed too, but I didn't see it. A 300% Lucario firing an aura sphere into Lucas' PSI magnet healed 30% for me regardless of whether or not Lucario was on Lucas' team.

i tested with lucas PSI magnet and falco laser, in teams on the same team it healed 4%, when not on the same team it healed 8%.

 

[Pazx]

Your description says team healing has been nerfed too, but I didn't see it. A 300% Lucario firing an aura sphere into Lucas' PSI magnet healed 30% for me regardless of whether or not Lucario was on Lucas' team.

30% is probably the upper threshold of how much PSI magnet can heal (edit for clarification: my theory is that 300% aura sphere is SO POWERFUL that it reaches this threshold even when on the same team), if you use weaker moves you'll see the difference between teammates and enemies.

I haven't tested it, and I don't even spend that much time in the lab, so feel free to ignore this:

Is it possible that L.Mac's super armor has been nerfed?

I was online, and I'm not sure if the connection was just ultra-**** or if it was actually easier to cause Mac to flinch while charging his FSmash.

Little Mac has super armour when he releases the smash, not while he charges it.

 

[LRodC]

So when is the OP getting updated for the patch notes? There have been a lot more confirmed changes discovered for Mewtwo since then, and I'm assuming others as well.

 

[Bowserboy3]

What about the Midgar stage? What music tracks does it have on Wii U? I was hoping for at least one Mario RPG music, but from what I am reading, it seems to not be the case. Regardless, how many songs are on that stage on Wii U?

Edit: Turns out that it just has the two music tracks that are present in the Wii U version? That's a shame. There are plenty of good songs from the Final Fantasy series they could have included, and they even played the Forest Maze music over the Geno costume. I had my hopes up for that... ahh well.

 

[LancerStaff]

For what it's worth I'm pretty confident Pit and Dark Pit don't have any other changes besides the obvious Fspecial buff on the later.

 

[YouTube: NinjaKing Gaming]

I've created a moveset overview of Cloud if that helps anyone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcnyBjZayls

 

[Bowserboy3]

I also have another question. How does the buff to Ganon's Up B effect him? I know the launcher does more damage and knockback, but how much earlier does it kill?

 

[BearUNLV]

made a vid for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScO8RGiHITU

Bear here.
May I use your video for evidence to unban the Doubles rule of G&W/Sheik at Genesis 3?

 

[Player-1]

Bear here.

May I use your video for evidence to unban the Doubles rule of G&W/Sheik at Genesis 3?

ya go ahead

 

[Basty]

OK I'm pretty sure Fox's lasers never did shield damage, well if they didn't, now they do.

 

[Bowserboy3]

I can confirm that the recoil on Mewtwo's Shadow Ball has indeed been decreased, on both the ground and in the air.

Unfortunately I am at work and am testing on my break so am unable to provide video evidence. However, I have made some notes.

1.1.2
Takes 11 fully charged grounded SB's to reach the left side of Omega Battlefield from the right side.
Takes 2 fully charged aerial SB's to reach the left side of Omega Battlefield from the right side.

1.1.3
Takes 15 fully charged grounded SB's to reach the left side of Omega Battlefield from the right side.
Takes 4 fully charged aerial SB's to reach the left side of Omega Battlefield from the right side.

And this is big, I am pretty certain that Mewtwo's ground movement speed has been increased slightly, both walking and running. It is more noticeable with running, you can see his tail waving about quicker. Does anybody else feel like testing this? If this is true, this is huge. It shows that they are willing to change character specific values, which could mean a weight change somewhere down the line! I can confirm that his weight has not changed as of now, but here's hoping in the future.

 

[TSM ZeRo]

Has Sheik been confirmed to have 'No Changes'? Has anyone confirmed anything?

 

[BlastLine99]

I can confirm that the recoil on Mewtwo's Shadow Ball has indeed been decreased, on both the ground and in the air.

Unfortunately I am at work and am testing on my break so am unable to provide video evidence. However, I have made some notes.

1.1.2
Takes 11 fully charged grounded SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.
Takes 2 fully charged aerial SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.

1.1.3
Takes 15 fully charged grounded SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.
Takes 4 fully charged aerial SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.

And this is big, I am pretty certain that Mewtwo's ground movement speed has been increased slightly, both walking and running. It is more noticable with running, you can see his tail waving about quicker. Does anybody else feel like testing this? If this is true, this is huge. It shows that they are willing to change character specific values, which could mean a weight change somewhere down the line! I can confirm that his weight has not changed as of now, but here's hoping in the future.

I've noticed a change in run and walk speed as well. Thought I was just being crazy though.

 

[Bowserboy3]

I've noticed a change in run and walk speed as well. Thought I was just being crazy though.

This could be something else to test out later with other characters, though if anybody else can also confirm that Mewtwo's movement speed has increased that would be swell.

Next I am going to check Samus to see if there are any landing lag changes etc. I will then check all the other characters to see if there are any movement speed changes.

 

[ARGHETH]

Has Sheik been confirmed to have 'No Changes'? Has anyone confirmed anything?

Sheik's been confirmed to have no hitbox/damage changes, but I don't think they've gone through startup/endlag for her yet.

 

[TSM ZeRo]

Sheik's been confirmed to have no hitbox/damage changes, but I don't think they've gone through startup/endlag for her yet.

Ah I see, so a bit to go I guess.

 

[Darkshadovv]

I also have another question. How does the buff to Ganon's Up B effect him? I know the launcher does more damage and knockback, but how much earlier does it kill?

Just slightly behind Falcon Dive; it's like 200% on center and around 140% near the ledge. Still nowhere near its Melee power.

 

[Mariofan13]

Ikes Upthrow seems to be buffed, it connects far better than before into fair. I will test. It when I'm back at home.
Cann anyone confirm Ike's throw buff?

 

[Thinkaman]

Ikes Upthrow seems to be buffed, it connects far better than before into fair. I will test. It when I'm back at home.
Cann anyone confirm Ike's throw buff?

I can confirm that it doesn't exist; does that help?

 

[Mariofan13]

What about being a bit friendlier?

I'm not the only one who thinks Ike's throw(s) gott buffed, and as ypu see in thos thread, there are more changes than you found by datamining.

 

[Thinkaman]

What about being a bit friendlier?

I'm not the only one who thinks Ike's throw(s) gott buffed, and as ypu see in thos thread, there are more changes than you found by datamining.

I'm sorry if you took my tone as rude, I meant it with a smile. Being called out on placebo tends to make people upset, but what else can you do? Allowing misinformation to spread only makes the problem worse in the end.

I did you the courtesy of re-opening Ike's files after your first post, and confirmed there were no changes before I replied.

 

[Bowserboy3]

What about being a bit friendlier?

I'm not the only one who thinks Ike's throw(s) gott buffed, and as ypu see in thos thread, there are more changes than you found by datamining.

I'm sure it was meant in the nicest possible way. I will have a look at the throw later too just to help. Who knows, maybe it is interruptable a few frames earlier or something.

 

[Mic_128]

Anyone confirmed no changes (assuming end-lag hasn't been tested as well) for Wii Fit?

 

[Thinkaman]

All the moveset files for characters are confirmed. Some projectiles are not included in that.

 

[Bowserboy3]

All the moveset files for characters are confirmed. Some projectiles are not included in that.

So things like Samus's missiles for example? What do you mean by projectiles are not included? Is it everything to do with them, like damage and knockback etc? I am just going over Samus next so I can check Samus out if that is any help?

Edit: Seems like Samus's Super Missiles are unchanged anyway, same for regular Missiles. No change to anything, such as still being restricted to 1 super and 2 regular on screen at once, and no changes to damage or knockback or anything.

 

[Zoramine Fae]

Quite happy so many characters that are a bit lower on the tier list/lesser used were buffed so much, especially Robin, Kirby, Link, and Dark Pit. Bit sad for no Mac buffs at the time of typing this, but it's OK! Rather have nothing than a nerf!

Also, still gonna say it out, but I still believe FSmash with a neutral or forward tilt has increase KBG or BKB, used to kill at 62% vs Mario and now kills at 59%, have a chart for proof. Both were against level 3 AI in training (i.e. no staling, no rage, etc etc).

 

[Bowserboy3]

Also, still gonna say it out, but I still believe FSmash with a neutral or forward tilt has increase KBG or BKB, used to kill at 62% vs Mario and now kills at 59%, have a chart for proof. Both were against level 3 AI in training (i.e. no staling, no rage, etc etc).

How was this tested? Remember that blast lines are different across the 3DS and Wii U, so if you tested across the 3DS and Wii U then it could provide false results. I happen to have two 3DS versions, one still on 1.1.2 and one on 1.1.3 so I can test accurately if you need me too?

 

[Darklink401]

Has Sheik been confirmed to have 'No Changes'? Has anyone confirmed anything?

I am 90% sure that side B got more endlag, as its not possible to do side B into running tipper upsmash anymore T_T

Not sure about other changes, she feels a bit weird, but I'll wait for her endlag/landing lag to be more explored before throwing out placebos....

 

[Spikezillian]

LOL @ No Zelda buffs whatsoever. Clearly Sakurai doesn't want to please the magicians in the house. Looks like I'm not using her for any possible competitive stuff in the future.

Mewtwo, on the other hand, I can probably use now because no one ever plays the matchup and hes even more consistent and smooth now. So, I'm basically good with that. Also, no more SD'ing like an idiot with shadow ball recoil.

 

[Bowserboy3]

Ikes Upthrow seems to be buffed, it connects far better than before into fair. I will test. It when I'm back at home.
Cann anyone confirm Ike's throw buff?

I have just tested myself across two 3DS versions, one on 1.1.2 and one on 1.1.3, and unfortunately I see no change at all with any of Ike's throws. No damage difference or knockback difference (expected, as these would have been picked up in the datamining), and unfortunately no changes to the FAF or anything, so it's exactly the same.

Also, still gonna say it out, but I still believe FSmash with a neutral or forward tilt has increase KBG or BKB, used to kill at 62% vs Mario and now kills at 59%, have a chart for proof. Both were against level 3 AI in training (i.e. no staling, no rage, etc etc).

I tested this for you using my two 3DS's, and unfortunately my findings were the same across both versions, 1.1.2 and 1.1.3. I pushed a level 3 AI Mario to the very edge of Final Destination for these tests. Forward Smash killed at 72% across both versions, and Forward Tilt killed at 106% across both versions. Sorry!

 

[Thinkaman]

Can I get someone with side-by-side access to test Sheik stuff?

 

[Bowserboy3]

Can I get someone with side-by-side access to test Sheik stuff?

Though I only have two 3DS's, I can help!

 

[Noko Metal]

Okay, so today with a friend we tested villager in doubles, pocket is nerfed when you pick a projectile from your teammate.
We reflected Villager's down b with Ness' forward smash and use pocket. Tree deals only 11% percents and have literally no knockback on a 0% percent Sonic, that's pure evil.

 

[Thinkaman]

Though I only have two 3DS's, I can help!

We've heard reports of changes to a lot of stuff, though most is probably wrong. Still, people are going to keep talking about sheik until every single move is tested.

If you could also test any changes to Needles, that would be super. Try at various ranges and at 999%.

 

[Luig]

DId you test this in training? Is DI accounted for?

I made sure there was no di, so, cloud does get some change in limit break.

Can I get someone with side-by-side access to test Sheik stuff?

I have a non-updated ds, but I'm not sure how well I could get frame data....

 

[Smashchick]

What is kbh and bkg? And the angle is that counted in degrees? Like what is completely right/ left and up/right?

 

[Bowserboy3]

Sorry for the bad quality, but here is proof that Mewtwo's Running Speed has increased. I will upload the Walking Speed comparison shortly.

 

[TriTails]

Sorry for the bad quality, but here is proof that Mewtwo's Running Speed has increased. I will upload the Walking Speed comparison shortly.

Can you get Mario outta the way? Try Battlefield. I see the difference but because different speeds can mean people passing through characters with different time, the differences may be off a bit. Albeit, I don't think precision would be neccesary on this one. So... uh, your call.

But yeah, Mewtwo seems convincingly faster.

2ND CHARACTER STAT CHANGE!

 

[Jaythreef]

Can anyone clarify what the Dedede changes mean, specifically the facing restriction thing?

 

[Thinkaman]

They aren't important; I've considered removing them from the list.