Nike.
Smash Hero
WTF guys, even I'M not that bad
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(」・ω・)」 MARS la Marf in Smash 4 (／・ω・)／
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Ayce God
RIP Nova 9
^ I could see mekos owning you
Nike.
Smash Hero
most likely
Zano
Smash Master
That really wouldn't be too upsetting considering the marths he has already beaten, plus lucas =/= ness
I wish I took the time to actually re-learn the air release spike on Ness before playing Shaky. I wasn't using my controller though, and you couldn't get anything remotely close to practise before a match unless you were super high level player 
Lord Chair
Smash Master
TPA got dis
Kel
Smash Master
Ok now on to the next set of business:
How do you approach Ics from netural position?
Go!
How do you approach Ics from netural position?
Go!
Well spaced tipper full hop forward air aiming for their heads/top of their shield.
Kel
Smash Master
What about when they are desync blizzarding like a couple of cheating rats?
Kel
Smash Master
Mike Haze did NONE of this when he fought Vinnie a couple months ago.
You guys are trolls.
You guys are trolls.
Counter is inconsistent vs blizzard. Blizzard outranges counter so counter can miss. Honestly I don't think FH fair is good vs IC. It's asking to get uaired for days. I find rising SH to be far better.
Shield beaker beats blizzard easily enough though. You end up taking 2% since you sick your hand out but they take more and it separates them surprisingly often.FH dair OoS is really good vs IC imo. They have horrible traction so tipper fair knockback will have them sliding pretty far allowing you to reset to neutral safely enough.
If you've already used your midair jump and are about to land on the stage with no platform to save you, right before you land use dolphin slash. If IC wants to punish your landing they'll have to input grab before you land which means they won't be shielding. So if you wait as long as possible DS can actually end up being a landing option. If you whiff you get grabbed and die, but you were about to get grabbed and die anyway.
If they're recovering low, DB1 is really good. After getting hit, nana will panic upB so that when popo then upB nana won't be synched so they just fall. If you're amazing, you can spike popo out of upB, but it's really hard. Counter > side B recovery.
DB isn't good vs IC unless they hit your shield, while synched, since it's asking to get punished. Other than that, if you're onstage, DB is bad. The mixups get you grabbed, if they shield you get grabbed, etc.
Also, while I admit you should look to top players to see how they play, it's important to recognize which matchups they're likely good at. Mike is a smart player for sure, but he doesn't know the IC matchup as well as kadaj does for example. Before last summer he was horrible vs Diddy until I started teaching him a ton of stuff about the matchup. I love Mike, but there are matchups he doesn't know so dismissing advice since he didn't do it is silly. No, he didn't use SB vs vinnie to beat blizzard, but probably because he didn't think of it- not because it doesn't work (because it does). You should take all the advice you can from people you can trust and then go to training mode and test if it was accurate.
Shield beaker beats blizzard easily enough though. You end up taking 2% since you sick your hand out but they take more and it separates them surprisingly often.FH dair OoS is really good vs IC imo. They have horrible traction so tipper fair knockback will have them sliding pretty far allowing you to reset to neutral safely enough.
If you've already used your midair jump and are about to land on the stage with no platform to save you, right before you land use dolphin slash. If IC wants to punish your landing they'll have to input grab before you land which means they won't be shielding. So if you wait as long as possible DS can actually end up being a landing option. If you whiff you get grabbed and die, but you were about to get grabbed and die anyway.
If they're recovering low, DB1 is really good. After getting hit, nana will panic upB so that when popo then upB nana won't be synched so they just fall. If you're amazing, you can spike popo out of upB, but it's really hard. Counter > side B recovery.
DB isn't good vs IC unless they hit your shield, while synched, since it's asking to get punished. Other than that, if you're onstage, DB is bad. The mixups get you grabbed, if they shield you get grabbed, etc.
Also, while I admit you should look to top players to see how they play, it's important to recognize which matchups they're likely good at. Mike is a smart player for sure, but he doesn't know the IC matchup as well as kadaj does for example. Before last summer he was horrible vs Diddy until I started teaching him a ton of stuff about the matchup. I love Mike, but there are matchups he doesn't know so dismissing advice since he didn't do it is silly. No, he didn't use SB vs vinnie to beat blizzard, but probably because he didn't think of it- not because it doesn't work (because it does). You should take all the advice you can from people you can trust and then go to training mode and test if it was accurate.
Kel
Smash Master
haha I know to take advice from everyone. But one-liners telling me to counter and the other telling me to Dair ice climbers for /matchup is not as feasible as telling me to trade shield breaker with blizzard.
The reason I referenced Mike is because he beat Vinnie in those videos and Vinnie is one of the best ICs in the world at that time.
The reason I referenced Mike is because he beat Vinnie in those videos and Vinnie is one of the best ICs in the world at that time.
PEACE7
Smash Champion
If you want the counter to work you have to make sure you do it towards the middle of the blizzard
NH Cody
Smash Champion
Kel, I play 25 ICs mains every tourney. It's the same with Marth as for TL (or MK in your case). air camp with spaced aerials and be very precise with air movements to avoid getting uaired or punished when you land.
also watch out for when the ICs player uses side-B or random gimmicks so you can punish with a move other than fair (nair, uair, DB, etc). this'll help unstale your fair if you execute it in the small window you have to punish
also watch out for when the ICs player uses side-B or random gimmicks so you can punish with a move other than fair (nair, uair, DB, etc). this'll help unstale your fair if you execute it in the small window you have to punish
Definitely a fair counter point, and a reasonable"complaint" to have.It was more about lack of explanation than dismissal; I just didn't read it that way. My apologies.
And, while Mike beat vinnie, he kinda got lucky with the crowd bothering vinnie. No johns though lol
Also, Kel you should text me. I lost I your number.
@Quest- I generally agree with what you said, my only point of contention being that I wouldn't stale uair to freshen fair. Uair kills so well and sets up juggles really well, especially when popo and nana have differing percents. Uair is sooo good in general.
And, while Mike beat vinnie, he kinda got lucky with the crowd bothering vinnie. No johns though lol
Also, Kel you should text me. I lost I your number.
@Quest- I generally agree with what you said, my only point of contention being that I wouldn't stale uair to freshen fair. Uair kills so well and sets up juggles really well, especially when popo and nana have differing percents. Uair is sooo good in general.
I'm pretty sure Mike full hop rising fair'd a lot against vinnie.
I just said dair because it's easier for me to consistently hit IC's blizzard wall than trying to SDI through with forward air. Because letting ICs actually get blizzard tics on you is horrendous.
I just said dair because it's easier for me to consistently hit IC's blizzard wall than trying to SDI through with forward air. Because letting ICs actually get blizzard tics on you is horrendous.
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
i still hate you all ^_^
Zano
Smash Master
Nike.
Smash Hero
Zano
Smash Master
oh, we're that kinda thread now, hype.
Nike.
Smash Hero
whoawhoawhoa, i just posted a gif of a air hockey goal.
Zano
Smash Master
yes, that's why you posted it
and nothing
else
and nothing
else
Nike.
Smash Hero
Is that guy like, air grinding her?
Zano
Smash Master
ye s
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Sure is moderately inappropriate in here. *narrows eyes*
Nike.
Smash Hero
This coming from the guy who posted the girl he's dating in a poke bra 
Zano
Smash Master
he should like, totally post that again.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Nah, broke up with her in.... June.
She turned out crazy, much to my dismay. D:
Ah well, **** happens.
She turned out crazy, much to my dismay. D:
Ah well, **** happens.
Zano
Smash Master
shame, she had nice legs too.
Raziek I give you full permission to apply a 6 point infraction to Zano for that picture.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
As funny as it would be, this isn't a forum I have jurisdiction over, nor would that likely get anything more than removed and a minor inappropriate infraction.
I ACTUALLY READ THE RULES, SHAYA.
Zano
Smash Master
Now see, this is why I should have mod position here over shaya, he's a tyrant : (
Nike.
Smash Hero
Dear god, Raziek pls
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Nike Stahp.
Also, we really need to play that 5-Marth League game sometime.
Also, we really need to play that 5-Marth League game sometime.