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Because Ryo doesn't die!no,so the real question is..
-why was each match 6mins??
and what tournament was this where ga and Florida were together?
It's okay, I'mma try to get up there even if SFL doesn't (although they're 4 hours away from me so w/e).
Just gimp his recovery. It's a lot easier than it looks.
Believe it or not, Ike's KO moves aren't that good.
Countering his upB doesn't work vs Ryo, EVER. He ALWAYS techs the stage if I counter him into it. If I counter him outwards, he SDIs the hit up HARD and then has plenty of space to recover into.
And Espy, I can, and do, easily gimp literally every single other Ike I've ever played. I can consistently dair their aether, tipper fsmash it, grab them out of it, stage spike them out of it, etc etc. None of it worked on Ryo. I don't know if I was just too tired to play as well as I usually can, if it was a bad day, or if Ryo is just recovering in a way that's harder to gimp than every other Ike. But I just couldn't land anything on him; it was quite bizarre.Just gimp his recovery. It's a lot easier than it looks.
Believe it or not, Ike's KO moves aren't that good.
. As Ike's fair is short ranged at his head height, full hop or even double jump fair can punish/outspace. That's the simple part, jc reverse usmashes, landing tilts and dash attack are the hard parts (as a result of your punishment attempts not going well).It outranges most of Marth's moveset and is gdlk OoS. He can't really "set it up" but if you commit to anything, it can very easily hit you for it.His bair is fast, but how can he set it up? Utilt I don't know too much about, but it just doesn't seem all that reliable to me, given that most of the time I DO see it, it's from a jab cancel or something.
Yes I did try that >< He just SDI'd straight up, DI'd up, and then sailed right on up, and then QD'd to recover to the top BF platform as I was stuck on the ledge. I was upset xDCJ, did you try a run off stage b-reverse counter (so you slide into the lip of the stage facing towards him/away from the stage)?
Ike doesn't necessarily beat Marth, but it's a lot of effort to space him (less so than Oli/MK though), just I feel that as Marth when you get hit by their fair it's really easy to "stop thinking", and not really evaluate what position you're currently in + what you're capable of doing to turn the tables. Learning to consistently punish Ike spacing fair isn't too hard, but definitely requires more effort than just one tournament set
You're use to having a small character :xHis bair is fast, but how can he set it up? Utilt I don't know too much about, but it just doesn't seem all that reliable to me, given that most of the time I DO see it, it's from a jab cancel or something.
you didn't ban this stage? lol
wrong game, this isn't PM
Ike's backthrow to dash attack is a true combo (if buffered properly) at a certain range of %s. I wouldn't suggest upBing out of it anyway since there are a lot of moves Ike could be using after the bthrow instead of dash attack (ex: shield, spotdodge, fair, and reverse upsmash). Not the greatest risk to reward ratio though in my opinion. Ike shouldn't be finishing the full jab combo on shield either, but yay for you if they do. I don't think rolling from the ledge should be used ever (since I never see top players doing it, people probably can just react to it and punish) but it works in lower levels of play when edge guarders usually over commit to an action.
