ZSS General Discussion

[Supermodel From Paris]

There's no need to test again if rPSI was right when he did it the first time. Nair's KBA is determined the moment the move starts, not when it hits.

That means that if you hit someone with a nair while jumping over their head soon enough (before the second check) they'll fly forward no matter what. The easiest way to do this is to hit them with the back side of nair but as close to ZSS as possible.

And fbair = front bair so yes, hip box.

 

[Dakpo]

Double Down smash to nair at high percent leads amazingly to Side B. If they dodge it, It usually leads to frame traps. MUCH MUCH better than staling Bair before they are ready to kill (Nick Riddle)

 

[infiniteV115]

Yeah I double dsmash --> nair when I think the opponent is at too high % for both hits of fair to connect, but too low percents to kill/do triple dsmash-->uair
I always go for the nair --> sideB but it never works

You can also dsmash x2--> grab --> pummel like twice or 3 times --> dthrow/fthrow, good positioning, refreshes your important moves (which nair doesn't, cause it never stales and never refreshes anything) and the pummels+throw damage is usually >10 (nair does 10)

And if you really really want damage then uthrow lol

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I like uthrow better than dthrow >_>

Neither have good followups but at least uthrow does damage

Anyway I almost always use fthrow or bthrow

 

[infiniteV115]

Dthrow has amazing followups dude

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Dthrow sucks. -_-

I'll get the frame data again if you want, it is way, way worse than I think you realize.

 

[infiniteV115]

I know it has no guaranteed followups but it provides great positioning and the cooldown isn't close to as bad as uthrow's, I think uthrow is actually unsafe on hit at low percents XD

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

That's true but when uthrow is unsafe, you'd use fthrow almost any time anyway. >_<

Uthrow is laggy but does more damage and provides a nearly identical positional advantage at later percents. :\

 

[1PokeMastr]

I guess you don't watch me play lol. At low percents I either dsmash x2 --> fair, dsmash x2 --> dash attack --> utilt or (on fast fallers ) dsmash chain into one of those, or (only if it actually works, ie the fastfallers but not Snake/DK) dsmash chain into DAL into utilt/dtilt, usually does like 76%
In fact at just the last tournament I got dtilt --> dsmash x4 --> dash attack x3 --> dtilt --> uair --> read airdodge and uair again, and then something else and he died (I think I finished him off with a sideB). 0-death baby (On a Falco)

On Fox I just dsmash chain til like 100% and then sideB
fbair = hip hitbox of bair? (ie the front of bair) right?

And at mid percents I do the same or I dsmash x2 --> DAL--> utilt/dtilt

What you did to that Falco NEVER happened.
/Salt.

 

[Inle~Orichas]

Man, I feel sorry for whoever's sorry falco that was.
Maybe its Karma for V SDing the match prior, lol.

 

[1PokeMastr]

V didn't technically SD.
I hit him then grabbed the edge~

 

[Dakpo]

I like uthrow better than dthrow >_>

Uthrow is such an ugly animation that I always think I'm the one thats truly taking the damage

 

[CYVE]

quiKsilver sucks, he loses to pit

 

[infiniteV115]

CYVE sucks, he loses to....

Help me out here bro, who'd you lose to?

 

[CYVE]

Glutonny and Ramin :S
But I will beat them all in a Tourney end of December and get the UROPEAN CROWN
(YES CALLOUT INTENDED)

 

[infiniteV115]

You beat Quik and you only lost to Glutonny and Ramin?

Damn, you're pretty good

Quik, you could learn a thing or two from this guy

 

[NickRiddle]

Quik sucks, he loses to Pit~

 

[CYVE]

You beat Quik and you only lost to Glutonny and Ramin?

Damn, you're pretty good

Quik, you could learn a thing or two from this guy

Wise words!
In fact, I beat quiK 4:0 this season
But it's hardly worth mentioning

And yeah, Nick you need to spread this

 

[quiKsilverItaly]

hyping himself
get's 7th on last international

LOL noob

 

[infiniteV115]

Why are all the ZSS mains so good at talking ****?
First Salem talks immense amounts of **** about Nick Riddle
Then there's me who talks **** about everything except for me
And now this

 

[quiKsilverItaly]

^lmao

also cyve is lying he also lost to people you will never know LOL

on end of december there will be a big international:
glutonny, mr.r, quik, leon and more. ah at least i forgot cyve but he isn't that important.

 

[CYVE]

hyping himself
get's 7th on last international

lol noob

how bad must you be then losing to this noob 4 times.. WITHOUT WINNING ONCE

YEAH RIGHT EVEN WORSE NOOB

At least I don't lose to randoms like a specific person who got his name from a brand LOL

 

[quiKsilverItaly]

how bad must you be then losing to this noob 4 times.. WITHOUT WINNING ONCE

YEAH RIGHT EVEN WORSE NOOB

so old that stuff, who remembers that ****, wtf?

listen i got BETTER THAN YOU THE LAST MONTHS DEAL WITH IT
IF YOU DONT GET IN LOSERS ON FIRST ROUND AGAIN, IN FRANCE I WILL CRUSH YOU

 

[CYVE]

zss mains are so funny and unrealistic

 

[Draqo]

cyve vs quik is so good :DDD

 

[NickRiddle]

I would destroy you, Cyve.
Going to Apex?

 

[Mr-R]

LMAO, this is quite enjoyable *subscribes to thread*

 

[ぱみゅ]

I'm not good with trashtalk nor callouts... does that make me a bad ZSS user?

 

[DeLux]

So I figured out a way to do frame perfect neutral special wave bounces. And then I found some pretty fun practical applications.

Anyone interested?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

IF YOU DONT GET IN LOSERS ON FIRST ROUND AGAIN, IN FRANCE I WILL CRUSH YOU

 

[infiniteV115]

So I figured out a way to do frame perfect neutral special wave bounces. And then I found some pretty fun practical applications.

Anyone interested?

I imagine it involves B-sticking, or at least the C-stick somehow (ie I imagine it takes advantage of dual-stick mechanics)
And I'm interested if there's some sort of significant advantage to doing this over regularly wavebouncing nB and it doesn't involve me changing my control scheme.

 

[DeLux]

What's your control scheme?

 

[infiniteV115]

I don't know why I thought of this today, but I did. And I'm gonna share it with you guys cause it's silly and awesome.

Imagine if ZSS could glide, and her glide attack was her fair














































































Or her downB kick

 

[Tesh]

guys, upthrow kills

 

[CYVE]

I would destroy you, Cyve.
Going to Apex?

Lmao, you don't know how good I am at the zss mu (probably the best in europe, not lying)

Unfortunately no, but probably the next one

 

[Mr-R]

Hear that nick ? in other words he says he'd **** you

 

[CYVE]

Hear that nick ? in other words he says he'd **** you

Ramin why are you such a f a g g o t ? <3
But.. EXACTLY THIS MAN GOT IT RIGHT

 

[Dakpo]

like it matters, European players come to America just to be beat by our MKs

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Does anyone else find regional rivalries to be kind of annoying?

We'd all be so much better at the game if we weren't always fighting over who's better at it. >_>

 

[Mr-R]

Does anyone else find regional rivalries to be kind of annoying?

We'd all be so much better at the game if we weren't always fighting over who's better at it. >_>

pretty much what I'm thinking.

I remember when ally came to europe, I was litterly the only one cheering for him when he had to play gluttony xD everyone was mad at me haha