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1) Not in tourney play. I don't recommend that kiddo.
I may read slowly, but this Deviljho dishes out the damage. Hehehehe.
Yoshi boards?1) Not in tourney play. I don't recommend that kiddo.
2) Ehehehehe... It's so true. I do read slowly. And yet I still pull off combos on ya.
@WhiteLightnin What are your comments on me? I'm looking for tips here too.
Trick question: I'm pretty much the only guy on there (Besides VMan mayhap) who knows ANYTHING on that MU. Or, at least, the only one that is actually trying to learn it that I can see. That's why I lurk the Zelda board, not just to moderate the megadump thread. xD
Dude, loving your Shielda!!More Zelda vids of me from the Pittsburgh PM bi-weeklies.
M@v(Zelda/Sheik/MK) vs Stro(Link) Winners Finals
Not my best set that's for sure. Nonetheless, games 1 and 2 have Zelda and Sheik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj5DDbYjt9Q&list=PLJCuP6Odsy65k-Gjyipd-VIYqSmrpNoR8&index=2
M@v(Zelda/Sheik/MK) vs Logan(ZSS/Fox) Losers finals
Game 1, 4, and 5 are Zelda/Sheik games (12:25 is game 4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhY-vePZ4cc&index=6&list=PLJCuP6Odsy65k-Gjyipd-VIYqSmrpNoR8
M@v(Zelda/Sheik/MK) vs Stro(Link/Ganon) Grand Finals
Really long set, but only 2 of the matches are MK, so lots of good Zelda and Sheik footage here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqswVtrdbeY&list=PLJCuP6Odsy65k-Gjyipd-VIYqSmrpNoR8&index=3
Honestly, I feel its moreso up the player, but I do it just out of "game sense" as I call it. Its hard to describe, but I just get a sudden feeling in my gut/head that tells me to switch a lot of time. You need to let it flow and not force transformations. Also, you need to be able to analyze when it might help. Some of those reasons you mentioned do work. You are on point with the "Attempt to force them to adapt/keep them guessing thought. I tend to switch for reasons such as:
How have I never thought about the stylin implications of doing that...?? Always struggled going for style points somehow a Sheik/Zelda main, besides Sheik Up-B kills or crazy Zhime Din combos, both of which don't happen too often. xD May be impractical, but it's something to keep in mind once i get the timing down - always go for the style points ;D if it's safe lol.
Way to much standing dens. when your facing opponents who have decent speed and its flat ground, dont throw out dins like that.
Thanks man! I do play with tap jump off. I wish I could but imma be in pasadena. Its closer than OK but id love to play in the future
the_irish_dude
: Those SD's in the match with Rave were pretty rough but you made up for it with solid sweet spots. In the air you landed lot of kicks which is a compliment to your aerial spacing. Against a floaty character like Samus you opted for a lot of down throws (without pummels) and didn't get a lot of follow ups (until Rave had really bad DI near the ledge). Forward throws can lead to fairs and up airs based on DI, and are better at getting people offstage, which is where you always want your opponent. You had a lot of Din confirms at high percent that you spent setting another Din instead of capitalizing. Your bairs OoS were on point, especially later in the game when you were reading his approaches. I would have liked to see more options OoS though, like nair, Farore's Wind, wave dash>smash. Things I'm totally stealing from you: 1) Nair land canceled to forward smash and 2) bair/fair on shield to Nayru (would be fun b-reversing these). Good stuff.
Grime.
: Against Xcia you opted for up smashes where you could have gotten a re-grab into up throw to extend the combo. I'm jealous you got to take a Fox to FD, all the spacies in my region are savvy to the chain grab. There were also a lot of dash attacks that weren't spaced well but I have that issue too. Your grab punishes are really solid but your DI could use some work. Against Marth you were constantly trying to land close to or DI into Marth/into stage, which just got you faired and juggled. Against Scruba (and against Xcia) I didn't see one down tilit. It would have been safer on shield than your dash attacks. You've got your Din movement down, especially your on stage traps. If you're going to keep setting Din's in the mid range you need to be wary about it's end lag. Use your solid grabs to get your traps up instead of always going for an aerial. You don't move around a ton with Zelda and your on stage traps are good, control more space with them after grabs so you get more setups. Lastly, please grab ledge more. You gave up stocks you deserved by staying back and setting Din's.
thanks dude. i have a hard time nayrus canceling :/idk why but i do. as for teledashing through platforms,i could probably do it more but i probably thought since i play this guy alot and he has that missile spam which probably kept me timid.
The Luigi's and Yoshi's I've played with aren't super high level but I have a bit of theory. While Din's might not seem as helpful against Luigi's tornado they are worth the investment to limit his wave-dash approaches. Be very aware of his wave-lands out of aerials, especially if you see him swatting your traps away at low heights. His wave-dash forward into forward tilt are good for removing Din's too, but it cuts his tilt hitbox animation short. If you notice the opposing Luigi likes removing your Din's a lot start punishing for taking the time to do so. Luigi combos us hard with nair into anything. Down smash is really good at resetting to neutral, and b-reversed Nayru's Love is safer because of his stubby limbs. Remember all of the great things you get against floaties; down tilt>up tilt, teledash>up tilt, forward throw mixups, Din's as a raw projectile leading to easy confirms at high percent, forward tilt>up air.
Searing_Sorrow
who do you play as? I don't get a lot of time on the boards,so it rare for me to watch other vids. Sorry. 
I can also apply this strategy to my match up against Link as well, since I, too, have problems dealing with his projectiles. It's also tough dealing with his close range attacks, too, since he can string 'em together like it's nothing. Perhaps I'll post another video soon.
Tried to watch the videos, but my internet is only so-so, and Twitch VODs suck at loading, so I could only get so much :/
I'm glad you were able to watch at least part of it and respond. Thank you. I know most of that general stuff about Ness, believe me ._. He's really annoying. I did try d-smashing him out of PKT2 once but I released it way too early and didn't try it again after that. I'll keep it in mind. I don't know if you saw the friendly with the Ness, but I started reflecting most of his PK Fires with Nayru's and only got hit by one or two of them that game. Of course, if he starts adapting to that I'll try something else (I think he actually baited it once but I don't know if it was intentional). Can you elaborate on those f-throw and d-throw combos? I'm not too familiar with the throws. You're right that I wasn't using teledash. I knew it was a thing but I didn't know exactly what it was or how to do it. I practiced it a little bit earlier today but I don't know if I'll be able to use it for anything useful this week. Thanks again, and maybe I'll post some more videos this week if I have anything useful to post.
Nice job! Disqo is no slouch, and he's played Zhime a lot, so that Diddy knew how to play against Zelda. I think what's important to note is just how safe you played. You didn't overextend combos and accidentally put yourself in a bad position. Banana control went a long way. So many powershielded bananas...
