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Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

Macchiato said:
Lucina needs to be tweaked tbh. Buffs.

While you need to stay with one character

Kofu · Apr 10, 2015

Lavani said:
I kind of wanted to comment on other things in your post but I'm too drunk to think of G&W hypotheticals. Does Luigi get anything off Iceballs, or is it just the fact that they'll launch you when they hit due to freeze?

I thought Iceballs sounded really hype when I first found out they were a thing and noticed how they just linger and make walls, but recently I learned they have a ton of startup compared to other fireballs and I'm pretty sure ice can be mashed out of before he gets anything out of it.

Neither. It's that I can't bucket them.

Normally Luigi has to be careful throwing out Fireballs for days against Game & Watch, even with Oil Panic's stupid endlag. Yeah, he'll get a grab off of it, but so what? That's what he usually gains from his Fireballs (I do have to be careful of Super Jump Punch though). But three Fireballs gives me something very, very close to a OHKO. Between that, Game & Watch's disjointed hitboxes, and his gimping game, I see the MU as relatively even. With Iceballs, though, Game & Watch is forced to respect Luigi more and he doesn't gain anything from them.

Alphatron · Apr 10, 2015

In all seriousness, I doubt Diddy will be nerfed as badly as Meta Knight was. That.,,just wasn't fair.

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

Alphatron said:
In all seriousness, I doubt Diddy will be nerfed as badly as Meta Knight was. That.,,just wasn't fair.

But... Metaknight deserves it. Now he's in mid tier. It wasn't that bad.

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

Oh right, if you're seeing anything on the "User viewing" panel, that other account isn't mine. Lol

Rizen · Apr 10, 2015

^A prototype beserker :crazy:

?

Trieste SP said:
But... Metaknight deserves it. Now he's in mid tier. It wasn't that bad.

^This. MK was nerfed in a balanced way; he's still good but not broken like in Brawl.

I just got combo-spiked by Crazy hand's energy ball and Master Hand's ground punch. The hands are the most dangerous part of the entire Master core battle; they have several instant KO combos. I'm trying to beat it on 9 without customs; so far I've done it on 8.5. One mistake and you get combo-ed hard in all 5 forms :/

Antonykun · Apr 10, 2015

Trieste SP said:
But... Metaknight deserves it. Now he's in mid tier. It wasn't that bad.

@

warionumbah2 will slit your throat for calling him mid tier.

Soul. · Apr 10, 2015

berserker01 said:
I agree. He's the most f-air. In all seriousness, there's absolutely nothing fair about Diddy. Also, we have a correction here.

**

Fox is sealed for number 3. Idk if Sheik will get nerfed or not. Maybe she will. Maybe she won't.

I swear if they give Sheik KO power in her moves....

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

Antonykun said:
@ warionumbah2 will slit your throat for calling him mid tier.

Pls don't tell him. I'll buy you candy.

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

Soul. said:
I swear if they give Sheik KO power in her moves....

I doubt they're touching Sheik. Maybe she might get nerfed but I don't know.

Trieste SP said:
Pls don't tell him. I'll buy you candy.

He was tagged already. Lol

warionumbah2 · Apr 10, 2015

Trieste SP said:
But... Metaknight deserves it. Now he's in mid tier. It wasn't that bad.

oh for ****s sake.

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

berserker01 said:
He was tagged already. Lol

Welp, nice knowing you guys.

Alphatron · Apr 10, 2015

Trieste SP said:
But... Metaknight deserves it. Now he's in mid tier. It wasn't that bad.

Meta Knight definitely deserved to be nerfed. But such a big nerf though? I think that's the biggest drop in viability between games since melee Kirby (who truly did not deserve that). Maybe it just seems like such a huge drop to me because he was so good in brawl to begin with.

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

Meta Knight is high tier in this game (Easily top 15 or top 20). That isn't a drop at all.

Oh and, imo

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

Alphatron said:
Meta Knight definitely deserved to be nerfed. But such a big nerf though? I think that's the biggest drop in viability between games since melee Kirby (who truly did not deserve that). Maybe it just seems like such a huge drop to me because he was so good in brawl to begin with.

It was a huge drop, but he's still good.

warionumbah2 said:
oh for ****s sake.

I'm sorry.... It won't happen again. I promise....

Soul. · Apr 10, 2015

Alphatron said:
Meta Knight definitely deserved to be nerfed. But such a big nerf though? I think that's the biggest drop in viability between games since melee Kirby (who truly did not deserve that). Maybe it just seems like such a huge drop to me because he was so good in brawl to begin with.

Melee Puff to Brawl Puff was actually the biggest drop.

Locke 06 · Apr 10, 2015

Sheik could do less damage. Lol.

4% FAirs, 5% NAirs, and 6% Bairs would be hilarious.

In all seriousness, a Nerf to how fast needles charge and more endlag to vanish/whiffed BF would be enough for me to be satisfied and not destroy the character.

- Diddy's damage output, uair hitbox, and guaranteed kill setup needs to go. He'd still be a solid character.
- Pika's HSB needs a nerf, and the diminished ledge time is BS.
- Fox's jabs need to be less good.
- ZSS' BAir could use a less forgiving AC window.

Oh, and cancer's pivot grab should be slowed down by a couple frames, and the elbow hitbox of his fsmash should be a true sourspot and do less damage/knockback.

Soul. · Apr 10, 2015

Is nerfing HSB the only thing people are asking for.
Someone please post the in-game description

berserker00 · Apr 10, 2015

berserker01 said:
I hope Sakurai knows that Diddy is more than just grab-to-win now. Diddy's WHOLE moveset needs to be tweaked. Frame speed, end lag, damage output, knockback, KBG, range (**** his f-air). There are so much issues with his moveset

(Not an alt to @

Berserker. he is my slave in real life)

Your Diddy salt from that tournament last month never left

I lost to the first placer's

because cancer... (Since it was my

that sent his

to the loser's bracket and only died once against him hehe)

No effing clue how to play against her

Try dying this way https://gfycat.com/OrderlyNeedyDuckling (and see my salt after and sympathize)

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

Your first post is about me being salty

lmao

Locke 06 · Apr 10, 2015

Soul. said:
Is nerfing HSB the only thing people are asking for.
Someone please post the in-game description

HSB is ridiculous. 15% 13f burst aerial that does more knockback than ganondorf's FAir? Oh, and you can charge it.

Berserker00 is the original Berserker. Numbers never lie.

warionumbah2 · Apr 10, 2015

Marf and Falco took a huge drop in competitive viability these two are legit awful, you know its bad when even a dedicated main states that their main sucks.

MKs viability is still good since most of the cast are mediocre, his player base shrank because of the higher skill floor and no longer being the God that he once was in brawl. Watch how everyone jumps on the next best character IF diddy gets nerfed, take that back watch who ZeRo will jump to next.

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

Wait.... there's two berserkers !?

berserker00 · Apr 10, 2015

Trieste SP said:
Wait.... there's two berserkers !?

To clarify, I'm the cooler one.

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

I can't wait to confuse the **** out of people

Antonykun · Apr 10, 2015

warionumbah2 said:
Marf and Falco took a huge drop in competitive viability these two are legit awful, you know its bad when even a dedicated main states that their main sucks.

MKs viability is still good since most of the cast are mediocre, his player base shrank because of the higher skill floor and no longer being the God that he once was in brawl. Watch how everyone jumps on the next best character IF diddy gets nerfed, take that back watch who ZeRo will jump to next.

I kind of want Swordfighter to be the next Diddy so people go from Swordfighter sux to Swordfighter OP in no time flat

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

berserker00 said:
To clarify, I'm the cooler one.

Uh huh, I'm sure you are.

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

Antonykun said:
I kind of want Swordfighter to be the next Diddy so people go from Swordfighter sux to Swordfighter OP in no time flat

No one has personal attachments so Swordfighter since he's a Mii so we all win

FullMoon · Apr 10, 2015

Locke 06 said:
HSB is ridiculous. 15% 13f burst aerial that does more knockback than ganondorf's FAir? Oh, and you can charge it.

Berserker00 is the original Berserker. Numbers never lie.

He's clearly the prototype Berserker, maybe of the Super Prototype variation. We must stay alert.

BJN39 · Apr 10, 2015

T-t-two Berserkers?!

This. Is. Glorious.

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

He technically is first to me (because he was born before I was)

SBphiloz4 · Apr 10, 2015

Late in the Marvel discussion, but basically everyone runs Vergil/Doom and everyone has OHKO combos with DHC so it's boring.

I play Taskmaster/Doom/Dormammu, the ultimate keepaway team. :^)

I hope Sakurai doesn't overkill on nerfs like he did on Dedede and Greninja. I'm still expecting Zelda to be nerfed though lol. :^(

Antonykun · Apr 10, 2015

BJN39 said:
T-t-two Berserkers?!

This. Is. Glorious.

@HeroMystic is going to have a heart attack

BJN39 · Apr 10, 2015

Brb everyone must know.

Edit : GASP!

Berserker x Berserker

IT'S A THING NOW

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

Antonykun said:
@HeroMystic is going to have a heart attack

I can't wait :laugh:

Antonykun · Apr 10, 2015

berserker01 said:
No one has personal attachments so Swordfighter since he's a Mii so we all win

After playing him for months I have a personal, Tsunderesque, attachment to Swordfighter

Soul. · Apr 10, 2015

Locke 06 said:
HSB is ridiculous. 15% 13f burst aerial that does more knockback than ganondorf's FAir? Oh, and you can charge it.

Berserker00 is the original Berserker. Numbers never lie.

I'd nerf it only slightly. The move was made to be powerful (lol slow with power), but I get what you're saying. It's punishable if it misses and has **** endlag; I don't know if this is a common counterargument.

Berserker. · Apr 10, 2015

SBphiloz4 said:
Late in the Marvel discussion, but basically everyone runs Vergil/Doom and everyone has OHKO combos with DHC so it's boring.

I play Taskmaster/Doom/Dormammu, the ultimate keepaway team. :^)

You use Doom?

Lol plz die

Antonykun said:
After playing him for months I have a personal, Tsunderesque, attachment to Swordfighter

I can tell with your posts in the CCI thread. Haha

Trieste SP · Apr 10, 2015

Antonykun said:
After playing him for months I have a personal, Tsunderesque, attachment to Swordfighter

Swordfighter was my first main. I still have this weird attachment to the character. The costumes he had was so good. Can't wait for the DLC.

FullMoon · Apr 10, 2015

When I played Marvel I used Spider-Man/Deadpool/Morrigan =V

Also lol the price of the Greninja amiibo in the site I bought it is suddenly twice the price I bought it for and Robin's increased too. I knew it was a good idea to pre-order them there as soon as I could.

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