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[S.F.L.R_9]

Do I have enough money to buy them all?

Macchi, I find it hard to believe you actually want to play 10+ characters with the same amount of desire. Try narrowing it down to 5 and we'll go from there

Actually I think he's 2nd best. Imo sheik is better

I do too. Like if you can gimp Diddy by just lightly tapping him during his up b he can't be the best in the game

 

[Gay Ginger]

I think @ Macchiato should main WFT. His WFT is really good and the character definitely seems better than Zelda and Lucina.

 

[Berserker.]

Actually I think he's 2nd best. Imo sheik is better

No.

If you've seen Rain use Diddy in the recent tournament, you'll realize how truly infallible Diddy's tactics are.

 

[Ffamran]

This Triple D with the grab baits, yo! Who plays Triple D here again? Was it Lavani?

 

[Berserker.]

This Triple D with the grab baits, yo! Who plays Triple D here again? Was it Lavani?

Lavani dropped D3 for Rosalina

 

[MasterTrumpet]

I know this is kinda a weird question.... but whats the bst way to practice in sm4sh, I can beat level 9's, I keep hearing people say For glory is a bad way to practice, and the people that i know already are either way better than me, or arent really good at the game.... suggestions?

 

[Macchiato]

Macchi, I find it hard to believe you actually want to play 10+ characters with the same amount of desire. Try narrowing it down to 5 and we'll go from there

I do too. Like if you can gimp Diddy by just lightly tapping him during his up b he can't be the best in the game

I narrowed it down as much as I could

 

[Lavani]

As long as we're whining about what characters to play, someone should teach me how to get better at mashing so I can confidently pick up Luigi as a secondary and stop having to worry about what character I'm going to pocket.

Failing that, teaching me how to git gud at one of would also be acceptable.

Or really I guess anyone that would help with the MUs, that's mainly what I want covered (not necessarily the criteria involved in the above choices though)

Lavani dropped D3 for Rosalina

Actually I dropped him for first, then picked up as a secondary but enjoyed her more/was better with her and ended up dropping the frog instead.

 

[Blossom ✿]

If Macchiato uses Diddy, he'll say that Diddy is mid-tier

As in, we'll let him switch to another character

Yep, pretty much my post in a nutshell.
Also, Lucina being a worse Marth really does hurt her viability.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I narrowed it down as much as I could

Now, do you like playing as these characters with AND without customs? If you only like playing the character with customs, I don't think you should play them.

 

[Berserker.]

I actually have a hidden Mega Man that awaits to be used. I've been watching Zucc0's amazing Mega Man videos. So yeah. Fun character. Pew pew'ing is really fun for me.

 

[FullMoon]

So, immediatelly after seeing that aMSa dropped Greninja, I kid you not, a power outage happened in my area.

Make of that what you will.

 

[kenniky]

Do I have enough money to buy them all?

$12.99. Enough to buy one character

Also, in one day I went from 11000th on Pokemon Shuffle rankings to 20000th ._.

@Cenizas as a fellow shuffler of Pokemon I feel obliged to tell you that you should probably get on that or you're going to miss out on that Lucarionite

Use a Complexity -1 if you can I got to 17000 and now am at 3000th place

I know this is kinda a weird question.... but whats the bst way to practice in sm4sh, I can beat level 9's, I keep hearing people say For glory is a bad way to practice, and the people that i know already are either way better than me, or arent really good at the game.... suggestions?

http://www.smashladder.com/netplay

 

[Macchiato]

Now, do you like playing as these characters with AND without customs? If you only like playing the character with customs, I don't think you should play them.

I like all of them with and without customs. I'd say that with customs ZSS benefits the least

 

[Blossom ✿]

I actually have a hidden Mega Man that awaits to be used. I've been watching Zucc0's amazing Mega Man videos. So yeah. Fun character. Pew pew'ing is really fun for me.

I would love to use Mega Man, but I'm so god awful with him it's not even funny. Same applies to Pac-Man.

 

[Gay Ginger]

I know this is kinda a weird question.... but whats the bst way to practice in sm4sh, I can beat level 9's, I keep hearing people say For glory is a bad way to practice, and the people that i know already are either way better than me, or arent really good at the game.... suggestions?

http://www.smashladder.com is really good in my opinion. It's free to sign up, and you can play ranked matches or friendlies against players that are (almost always) better than players found on For Glory.

I like all of them with and without customs. I'd say that with customs ZSS benefits the least

Well at least she doesn't need the boost lol

 

[MasterTrumpet]

So, immediatelly after seeing that aMSa dropped Greninja, I kid you not, a power outage happened in my area.

Make of that what you will.

:O oh no, we need to get him to use greninja again, or the power will go down forever

is really good in my opinion. It's free to sign up, and you can play ranked matches or friendlies against players that are (almost always) better than players found on For Glory.

Woah, thanks so much!

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I like all of them with and without customs. I'd say that with customs ZSS benefits the least

Alright. Now, who do YOU personally think you've performed the best with?

 

[Ffamran]

Lavani dropped D3 for Rosalina

I knew Lavani played, but I didn't know that Lavani dropped the king, but nobody else? Hmm, shrooby never visited this place and I guess mods don't count.

So, immediatelly after seeing that aMSa dropped Greninja, I kid you not, a power outage happened in my area.

Make of that what you will.

Probably some rodent that was got into one of the utility poles and started eating the wire. I kid you not, this happened before where a squirrel at through the wires and caused a power outage. I don't remember if it was where I lived or near it.

 

[Macchiato]

Alright. Now, who do YOU personally think you've performed the best with?

<----- I've heard that my charizard is really good, I use him but never mained him so maybe add him to the list.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

<----- I've heard that my charizard is really good, I use him but never mained him so maybe add him to the list.

You didn't put Rob down on your narrowed down list tho so I'm gonna assume you don't have any interest in him. I know you really like Lucina as a character so maybe you should keep her. Your WFT is amazing, so I'd keep him as well. Now, how do you feel about Peach, Zelda, and Dr. Mario?

i feel like a smash bros therapist doing this omf

 

[Macchiato]

You didn't put Rob down on your narrowed down list tho so I'm gonna assume you don't have any interest in him. I know you really like Lucina as a character so maybe you should keep her. Your WFT is amazing, so I'd keep him as well. Now, how do you feel about Peach and Zelda?

i feel like a smash bros therapist doing this omf

Rob was a typo, it was supposed to be rosalina lol.

Peach - she's fun to use and viable, I also use her in non-games. Her characters good. I mained her with lucas in brawl

Zelda - I really enjoy playing her and think she's really viable. I use her in HW along with agitha and I like her personality in SS. I secondaried her in Melee and brawl

Doc - something about him makes playing him so enjoyable. I like his playstyle and character haha. I also played his game. In melee him and Roy were my mains.

 

[Ffamran]

Rob was a typo, it was supposed to be rosalina lol.

He was only a typo? Well, aren't we cruel?

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Rob was a typo, it was supposed to be rosalina lol.

Peach - she's fun to use and viable, I also use her in non-games. Her characters good. I mained her with lucas in brawl

Zelda - I really enjoy playing her and think she's really viable. I use her in HW along with agitha and I like her personality in SS. I secondaried her in Melee and brawl

OH ok. So out of all of those characters, Rosalina and Peach are the most viable. Just keep that in mind. Do you agree w/ me about playing Lucina and WFT?

 

[Macchiato]

OH ok. So out of all of those characters, Rosalina and Peach are the most viable. Just keep that in mind. Do you agree w/ me about playing Lucina and WFT?

I don't care about viablity tbh. Idk, I want to use all of the ones I listed honestly.

 

[Lavani]

whee history lesson

Bought the game for:
Planned to play: , some interest in but didn't expect to be able to do anything with him going off my demo experience, vague interest in but after Melee/Brawl I KNEW BETTER (FW almost baited me back tho)
Early on: main secondary lab
Post-1.0.4: mainsecondary lab
Later: main make-believe secondary
Now: main secondary lab stillwanttoplaybutislargelypointlessbecauseiamterribleatthecharacteriwishicouldmash

This Triple D with the grab baits, yo!

Grabbing the Gordo reflect attempts is cute, but with no grab armor in sm4sh it only really worked because his opponent was using an actual reflector instead of an active hitbox for the job.

I have no idea why he kept going for uair after the low percent dthrows and I'm even less sure why his opponent was airdodging instead of nairing or something. dthrow>ff uair is a "chaingrab" (with frame advantage for the victim hurr) but after the first whiff I would've just gone for fair or RAR bair instead, he really just lucked out that his opponent didn't handle the situation well.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I don't care about viablity tbh. Idk, I want to use all of the ones I listed honestly.

Hmm. The thing is, Peach and Rosalina are two of the most technical characters in the game, and if you wanted to play them you'd probably have to solo main them or just play two characters to use them to their full potential.

imo the characters you're best with are Peach, WFT, and Lucina if that means anything to you

vague interest in but after Melee/Brawl I KNEW BETTER

Good choice. I'm never going to know better :^)

 

[Ffamran]

Grabbing the Gordo reflect attempts is cute, but with no grab armor in sm4sh it only really worked because his opponent was using an actual reflector instead of an active hitbox for the job.

I have no idea why he kept going for uair after the low percent dthrows and I'm even less sure why his opponent was airdodging instead of nairing or something. dthrow>ff uair is a "chaingrab" (with frame advantage for the victim hurr) but after the first whiff I would've just gone for fair or RAR bair instead, he really just lucked out that his opponent didn't handle the situation well.

Stupid **** happens, sister. Stupid **** happens. The best part is that MightGalo tried to style with his Jab resets to Nair only to get stupid combo'd by Rizu's D-throw to Uair bait grab reset shenanigans.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Actually, I don't even know what's worse. I'd say Diddy but tbh, watching a Villager that's dead-set on timing people out can get really boring

Good thing I'm not then. <3

Timbers for all!

whee history lesson

Bought the game for:

Would've bought the game anyway, but space waifu is still an amazing reason for me. <3

 

[Mocha]

So, immediatelly after seeing that aMSa dropped Greninja, I kid you not, a power outage happened in my area.

Make of that what you will.

Probably some rodent that was got into one of the utility poles and started eating the wire. I kid you not, this happened before where a squirrel at through the wires and caused a power outage. I don't remember if it was where I lived or near it.

You all saw this coming.

 

[Macchiato]

Hmm. The thing is, Peach and Rosalina are two of the most technical characters in the game, and if you wanted to play them you'd probably have to solo main them or just play two characters to use them to their full potential.

imo the characters you're best with are Peach, WFT, and Lucina if that means anything to you

Good choice. I'm never going to know better :^)

I really don't know anymore.

Here is my situation

The thing is, with Marth existing. There really is no point to maining her. If her meta starts drastically changing to the point where they are completely different. Then probably

Idk with this one man

Ew, high tiers

Ew, high tiers

Idk with this one man

Idk, hearing everyone's pessimism makes me think that maybe I'm wasting my time and she'll just end up like brawl zelda.

He is but rn I don't know much about him.

 

[kenniky]

whee history lesson

Bought the game for:
Planned to play: , some interest in but didn't expect to be able to do anything with him going off my demo experience, vague interest in but after Melee/Brawl I KNEW BETTER (FW almost baited me back tho)
Early on: main secondary lab
Post-1.0.4: mainsecondary lab
Later: main make-believe secondary
Now: main secondary lab stillwanttoplaybutislargelypointlessbecauseiamterribleatthecharacteriwishicouldmash

Mine:
Bought game for:
planned to play:
Best Buy demo characters:
Demo main:
Characters I tried legitimately (in order):
Current: main possible secondaries in order of interest

Spoiler: extra!

secret pocket character:

Spoiler

 

[Lavani]

Spoiler: extra!

secret pocket character:

Spoiler

Spoiler

I don't think that's a secret when everyone has one

EDIT: Just noticed we both planned on playing Jiggs in this game but dropped her
Jiggs just doesn't feel right in this game

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Ew, high tiers

Tierist! ;_;

You don't deserve space waifu anyway. >: (

 

[Soul.]

how useful is jumpless cyclone

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I really don't know anymore.

Here is my situation

The thing is, with Marth existing. There really is no point to maining her. If her meta starts drastically changing to the point where they are completely different. Then probably

Idk with this one man

Ew, high tiers

Ew, high tiers

Idk with this one man

Idk, hearing everyone's pessimism makes me think that maybe I'm wasting my time and she'll just end up like brawl zelda.

He is but rn I don't know much about him.

: Macchi, listen to me. If you like Lucina better, that's an entirely good reason to main her. When I first got Smash 4, I was going to main Shulk, Robin, and Lucina. I refused to pick up Marth even though he's better just because I love Lucina's character so much. Her being worse is no reason to not main her.

: He's a high risk high reward character and you seem to do fairly well with those. He should be on the lower end of your spectrum tho just bc he isn't as good as everyone else and once he's offstage he has a huge problem coming back

: You're really good with her and imo she's the best at dealing with pressure out of everyone you're consider so that's something to consider. She also has a ton of potential and from what I've seen of your Peach i think you can unlock it.

: Invalidates a ton of characters and that's fun :') Again, really technical like Peach and she has a ton of potential too.

(female WFT is the best gorl): She/he's easily your best character

: I'm going to say this flat out. Zelda isn't bad, she's just lacking compared to other characters. She's still viable and is harder to work with but idk if that matters to you

: If you know nothing about him idk why you're considering him

If I were to make a list of the characters you should play from definitely to probably not, I'd go

1.
2.
3.
^^ these should be your three imo but it's up to you

4.
5.
6.
7.

 

[Jaguar360]

We actually all use Diddy. We just aren't aware of our actual secret prowess with Diddy

I think False tried using Lucina at Roll 'em up but he was beaten by NAKAT's Falcon. He switched to ZSS for the second match.

That's all I got

I suck with Diddy tbh. Then again, I always suck with the best character in each Smash game. Brawl Meta Knight, Melee Fox, and I automically suck with 64 Pikachu because I suck with 64 in general.

Then again, I never really try to learn them anyway...

Inb4 Sheik, Pikachu or Sonic surpasses Diddy

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Spoiler

I don't think that's a secret when everyone has one

EDIT: Just noticed we both planned on playing Jiggs in this game but dropped her
Jiggs just doesn't feel right in this game

If it makes you feel worse (), I also planned to play Jigglypuff. But Villager and Rosalina are much better for me.

 

[MasterTrumpet]

I bought the game for and . Ended up not maining either... (even though i might pick up robin again).

 

[Lavani]

how useful is jumpless cyclone

It lets Luigi save his double jump when recovering.

I think most importantly though, it lets him gimp low recoveries and catch ledgesnaps then spike them. By rising quickly enough to get an opponent to fall out of cyclone before the last hit, they'll fall down stuck in hitstun for quite awhile and it can easily kill. Cyclone's dumb priority and long active frames makes it even better, it just improves his edgeguarding immensely.

...the twitch VOD I wanted to link is dead so I guess I don't have an example of what it can do though.