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[Hyrule Candy]

I really hope we'll be able to secure bottom tier for our princess!

No i don't take bottom tier. I'll only take low tier

 

[Oh Snap]

No way!

Zelda will finally set a record-- Being bottom tier for two games straight!

 

[Hyrule Candy]

No way!

Zelda will finally set a record-- Being bottom tier for two games straight!

Nah Ganon can do that. Zelda actually might be mid probably low.

 

[Berserker.]

Oh my god. That thread title...

I'm not sure what will happen to customs or whether they'll actually have a future in this scene. What's more saddening is that even with customs legalized, Zelda's not going to get that much mileage out of her customs while other characters and even some perceived top tiers would get a lot out of it

 

[Oh Snap]

I guess they can both compete for bottom tier then o-o

 

[Hyrule Candy]

I guess they can both compete for bottom tier then o-o

No zelda will make it to low tier. She must go low

Oh my god. That thread title...

I'm not sure what will happen to customs or whether they'll actually have a future in this scene. What's more saddening is that even with customs legalized, Zelda's not going to get that much mileage out of her customs while other characters and even some perceived top tiers would get a lot out of it

The sad thing is even tho she doesn't get that much. She probably gets more than 1/4 of the cast. The dins and phantoms are actually the only useable ones so don't even look at the customs for Nayrus and farores

 

[JigglyZelda003]

nayrus passion is the greatest anti roll tool she has, don't knock it till you try it

i wouldn't be upset if Zelda took the bottom tier princess spot, keeps tier whores from running with her cause she's "bad" i just want her to have the normal properties other characters have that she is sadly missing for no reason at all.

 

[Hyrule Candy]

nayrus passion is the greatest anti roll tool she has, don't knock it till you try it

i wouldn't be upset if Zelda took the bottom tier princess spot, keeps tier *****s from running with her cause she's "bad" i just want her to have the normal properties other characters have that she is sadly missing for no reason at all.

Also that dins flare can kind force approuchs and outranges stuff so fast

 

[Oh Snap]

I kind of agree. Zelda's always gonna be low. Pathetically low/non-existent representation and generally low opinion of character usually has peeps shoving her in garbage tier.

But when you've been bad for 3 games straight-- There's a problem :[

 

[Hyrule Candy]

I kind of agree. Zelda's always gonna be low. Pathetically low/non-existent representation and generally low opinion of character usually has peeps shoving her in garbage tier.

But when you've been bad for 3 games straight-- There's a problem :[

Actually I think there r no bad chatacters this game other than sword fighter. At least she's probably not bottom tier like that's a first.

@ KuroganeHammer i was looking through old threads and U said "I'm pretty sure zeldas at least mid" lots of change

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Opinions change.

Also I think I said "she won't be any higher than mid".

 

[Alacion]

My preferred custom set for Palutena is:

-Jump glide
-Super speed
-Auto reticle (good for shutting down charging specials, forcing approach. Also, super speed jump to reverse auto reticle is lol)
-Lightweight

 

[Oh Snap]

Perhaps there is not "bad" character. But tiers rank characters in relation to other characters.

Someone's gotta be at the bottom: Zelda.

 

[Hyrule Candy]

Perhaps there is not "bad" character. But tiers rank characters in relation to other characters.

Someone's gotta be at the bottom: Zelda.

I really think she'll just be low this game.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Also that dins flare can kind force approuchs and outranges stuff so fast

its cute, but honestly i wish it functioned like PKT and they took away its ability to kill. then flare would be golden

on the bright side Zelda might get a pass because swordfighter is terribad. so she'll be 2nd worst

 

[Oh Snap]

^Exactly! And hey... if you're rock bottom, the only place to go is up!

 

[evmaxy54]

^Exactly! And hey... if you're rock bottom, the only place to go is up!

Wrong.

You can stay at rock bottom.

 

[Berserker.]

I'm convinced that no one is bad in this game. Even Mii Swordfighter isn't bad and the reason why people claim it's bad is because the Swordfighter boards are incredibly inactive compared to the rest. Well, it doesn't help that no one cares about Miis in general. If anything, Miis are annoying as characters or avatars

I'm not sure where Zelda will land but atm but she could end up somewhere around bottom-mid to high-bottom tier. All this Zeldawful posts may change if she gets a patch. A buff akin to Shulk's isn't what's going to help her. Some moves need some serious re-designing

 

[Alphatron]

I beat A Link Between Worlds. Really good game. Aside from the plot being squeezed into the last half hour and the fact that I will never see the superior Princess Hilda ever again.

Zelda's custom moves are crap. The only good ones are Phantom Strike and...that's it. Nayru's Rejection is a worse version of Nayru's Love that manages to be worse than Mario's cape in ways I didn't think were possible. After it turns opponents around, it gives them their UpB back. Why? Nayru's Passion is a joke of a move that is comparable to Pac-man's exploding fire hydrant and doesn't KO until 200%. Faore's Windfall is one of the worst moves in the game and makes our recovery worse. The faore's wind custom that has a wind effect is sill bad and just removes a default KO option. I know people like Phantom Breaker but it's weaker than the default phantom and the only trade off is a set distance.

Meanwhile, Donkey Kong gets a nigh ungimpable UpB and punch that can both KO and gimp opponents. Peach gets a toad that puts you to sleep as it's counter. Pikachu gets a projectile that paralyzes you and gives him a free hit into anything. Bowser gets an extra approach option that has no endlag at all and a projectile. Villager gets a sapling that trips people. Rosalina gets one of the best projectiles in the game. Ganondorf gets a whole buffet. The list goes on. If customs were allowed in more tournaments, Zelda would be even worse just by comparison. If you want to see a character drastically improve because of customs, look at Charizard and Donkey Kong. Dragon Rush > half the roster. Well, Charleyzard would still be terrible. But still.

I can see why customs aren't allowed in tournaments. I don't think Sakurai intended for customs to be relevant, sadly. They're tedious to obtain, take forever to transfer between consoles, and to top it all off, you can get duplicates. Few things have annoyed me more than finishing a smash run and seeing 4 versions of Zig zag can (custom NB for Duck Hunt) and a ton of equipment. Looping custom moves alongside equipment means Crazy Orders isn't reliable for anything either.

Real talk. Zelda is domed forever. We need Hilda in smash as a Lucas-ified clone of Zelda. She has no multi hit moves at all.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I'm convinced that no one is bad in this game. Even Mii Swordfighter isn't bad and the reason why people claim it's bad is because the Swordfighter boards are incredibly inactive compared to the rest. Well, it doesn't help that no one cares about Miis in general. If anything, Miis are annoying as characters or avatars

I'm not sure where Zelda will land but atm but she could end up somewhere around bottom-mid to high-bottom tier. All this Zeldawful posts may change if she gets a patch. A buff akin to Shulk's isn't what's going to help her. Some moves need some serious re-designing

This is exactly what I've been saying since like... once Zelda was placed bottom tier in Brawl.

Her moves are just... What are they meant to do? Her playstyle is obviously meant to be defensive, but we have... 2 defensive moves? 3 maybe. Jab, fsmash and nayru's?

l0l

 

[Oh Snap]

Hmmm, In MvC3 Morrigan had some slight changes to her frame data. She rocketed from mid-low tier straight to top tier.

Maybe it'll be the same for Zelda. Change it so peeps can't DI out of Fsmash.
Lmao, I'm just kidding. She's got a mountain of problems.

 

[evmaxy54]

This is incredibly relevant to this discussion I promise: http://youtu.be/UCzz4_FPbug?t=30s

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I'm convinced that no one is bad in this game. Even Mii Swordfighter isn't bad and the reason why people claim it's bad is because the Swordfighter boards are incredibly inactive compared to the rest. Well, it doesn't help that no one cares about Miis in general. If anything, Miis are annoying as characters or avatars

I'm not sure where Zelda will land but atm but she could end up somewhere around bottom-mid to high-bottom tier. All this Zeldawful posts may change if she gets a patch. A buff akin to Shulk's isn't what's going to help her. Some moves need some serious re-designing

sword fighter can't wall jump, the specials vary between being ok and meh, even tiny sword fighter gains a little bit of combos and speed at the expense of sword fighters only good point, a decent poking game. i don't feel sword fighter is terribad, but compared to the other two Miis he's clearly lacking in both representation and abilities.

i think Zelda's idea is a good idea, they just need to do some fixes and give her a way to force people to come to her. or at least buff the rewards so that everything is like faroes. high risk high reward for all. cause right now faroes is honestly the only worthwile risky action to take

 

[Oh Snap]

They need to give her:

Melee's Lightning Kicks.
Brawl's smashes and devastatingly strong U-air.
And Smash 4's Farore's.

I don't think that'll make Zelda top tier or even high by any means, but it's my "dream" Zelda.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

what they need to do is just replace din's fire with falco brawl laser and give her brawl smash attacks and GRATS you have a mid tier character.

Edit: I mean give her an actual gun. Like a perma ray gun, the item.

 

[Hyrule Candy]

on the bright side Zelda might get a pass because swordfighter is terribad. so she'll be 2nd worst

I think she'll barely pass bottom or low. She's better than swordfighter, charizard, kirby, dr. Mario, Wii fit trainer, link, meta knight, Ganon, and probably more.

 

[Alacion]

Remember when Zelda used to be 20th on the tier list and she dropped to 37th or something?

At least that won't happen this time! Positive thinking.

 

[Alphatron]

Here's what they should do.

Allow Zelda to hold Nayru's Love. The crystal remains around Zelda until you release the B button. Zelda can walk around during this time, but she can't do anything else.
Everything except for the final hit of up smash and forward smash has a paralysis effect. Trading with Zelda at low percentage is now a bad idea because she'll recover before do and get a free hit in.
Din's Fire is no longer a projectile. Instead, it works like Din's Fire in OOT where it's an AoE attacks covering everything nearby Zelda. But now Zelda still needs a projectile...
Screw it. Light arrows are now her projectile. Just take her final smash and make it her new SideB. Insta top tier. We finally did it, friends.

Edit: I can't see Zelda being better than meta knight in smash 4 at all.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

IF WE PLACE HER LAST, SHE CAN'T DROP 9 SPACES IN ONE TIER LIST

SHE MIGHT GET HER OWN TIER BUT W/E

ROLL TIER GO

 

[Oh Snap]

This is exactly what I've been getting at...
In every incarnation Zelda was thought to be better than she actually was. But not this one.
If we start out from the bottom we can only go up.

#positivethinking
#indenial

 

[JigglyZelda003]

They need to give her:

Melee's Lightning Kicks.
Brawl's smashes and devastatingly strong U-air.
And Smash 4's Farore's.

I don't think that'll make Zelda top tier or even high by any means, but it's my "dream" Zelda.

i feel like they just need to go back to mostly brawl zelda first while keeping faroes and utilt from smash4.
a few other fixes and she'd be fine

I think she'll barely pass bottom or low. She's better than swordfighter, charizard, kirby, dr. Mario, Wii fit trainer, link, meta knight, Ganon, and probably more.

idk sis, in a game with no smash DI getting hit by tornado and shuttle loop is now guaranteed damage. everybody else on the list i feel like they have more going for them than her, maybe not ganon and WFT has its own issues.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Look at this 11 people and 4 guests viewing our social

we are the most popular

 

[Oh Snap]

Here's what they should do.

Allow Zelda to hold Nayru's Love. The crystal remains around Zelda until you release the B button. Zelda can walk around during this time, but she can't do anything else.
Everything except for the final hit of up smash and forward smash has a paralysis effect. Trading with Zelda at low percentage is now a bad idea because she'll recover before do and get a free hit in.
Din's Fire is no longer a projectile. Instead, it works like Din's Fire in OOT where it's an AoE attacks covering everything nearby Zelda. But now Zelda still needs a projectile...
Screw it. Light arrows are now her projectile. Just take her final smash and make it her new SideB. Insta top tier. We finally did it, friends.

Edit: I can't see Zelda being better than meta knight in smash 4 at all.

She already has a projectile. We call it Phantom Slash. But its usefulness is akin to Din's Fire, unfortunately.

 

[SBphiloz4]

THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE VIEWING THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW OMG. 16 PEOPLE AND POSSIBLY COUNTING.

If only the amount of people viewing a thread determined how good a character is. Zelda would be seriously broken at this rate.

 

[Hyrule Candy]

Ya know to the community patch project

I suggested to give dins traveling hitboxes and bigger range and no free fall. Done like 2 problems fixed. I also suggested a storable phantom. Who knows nintendo might take the advice. They said theyll probably make zeldas smash connect reliably

 

[Alacion]

Quick somebody screenshot this. We'll look back 5 years later and see how dead it is then compared to now.

 

[Berserker.]

This is exactly what I've been saying since like... once Zelda was placed bottom tier in Brawl.

Her moves are just... What are they meant to do? Her playstyle is obviously meant to be defensive, but we have... 2 defensive moves? 3 maybe. Jab, fsmash and nayru's?

l0l

That's the thing. Her playstyle is still a mystery to me and if that's really her intended design, I'm not feeling it

Hmmm, In MvC3 Morrigan had some slight changes to her frame data. She rocketed from mid-low tier straight to top tier..

The reason why Morrigan rocketed to top tier was because she became the lamest character in fighting game history. Thank ChrisG for that. I had to drop Phoenix Wright because of this (Other than the fact that turnabout mode had only one low hitting attack)

sword fighter can't wall jump, the specials vary between being ok and meh, even tiny sword fighter gains a little bit of combos and speed at the expense of sword fighters only good point, a decent poking game. i don't feel sword fighter is terribad, but compared to the other two Miis he's clearly lacking in both representation and abilities.

i think Zelda's idea is a good idea, they just need to do some fixes and give her a way to force people to come to her. or at least buff the rewards so that everything is like faroes. high risk high reward for all. cause right now faroes is honestly the only worthwile risky action to take

Swordfighter's off stage game is good. Chakrams, shurikens/gale, and pretty much its aerials in general help a lot. He's meant to be played defensively and he has the (although not that good for a sword character) range to take advantage of

I'm pretty mixed regarding high risk high reward styles. There's a reason I shifted from using buster at the start to using speed THEN buster at the start when I play Shulk. Then again, buster is fine if you're sure that you can outplay your opponent

I think she'll barely pass bottom or low. She's better than swordfighter, charizard, kirby, dr. Mario, Wii fit trainer, link, meta knight, Ganon, and probably more.

Swordfighter? Probably better

Charizard? No

Kirby? No

Dr Mario? No

WFT? ..... I don't know

Link? Lolno

Meta Knight? He's not a bad character to behing with

Ganondorf? Now that's a tight race for bottom

 

[SBphiloz4]

NEW RECORD GUYS. FOREVER SAVED IN THE RECORDBOOKS.

 

[Berserker.]

I got 6 notifications. Guys please

 

[Alacion]

Hm Rosalina can't gravitational pull Din's right? Does that mean Din's isn't a projectile? :o

Ganondorf is way scarier than Zelda, imo.