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[EODM07]

Who's SilvaGunner and what's happened to him?

He posted nothing but "High Quality Rips".

(They were often complete parodies of other songs. Such as the Slider theme in Mario 64, instead it would have the NES Flintstones title theme play instead in the same instruments as of Mario 64. Or even the Pacifist Final Boss theme from Undertale mashed up with Snow Halation from Love Live!: School Idol Project). :V

Here you go:
"Slider - Super Mario 64"
"Hopes and Dreams - Undertale"

 

[Lavani]

http://edit.s2.xrea.com/sq5/
Warning - it's in Japanese. I only stumbled across it by luck.
I couldn't figure out if there was a way to directly download the pictures, so I just took screenshots and threw them into gimp for transparency.

Cool, thanks. Unfortunately I'm reminded that there are few class designs I actually like in EO5...guess I'll probably be picking Warlock, Reaper, and Dragoon and letting friends pick the other two.

Or I might just skip Dragoon too because I hate using the Protector archetype, but I really, really like 1 Dragoon's design.

There isn't a way to save the images directly as far as I can tell, due to how the site generates them.

I absolutely love EO4, it's actually what really got me into the series. I'd definitely say it's worth checking out.

EOU2 is definitely an improvement from EOU, IMO. Grimoire stones are a less of a pain to deal with, and all the classes in classic mode are viable to some degree. And since there's so many of them in that game, there's a ton of options for team building.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to enjoy the DS games to their fullest. I really want to, but since I started with the 3DS games, I find the short field of vision and lack of animations really off putting. I'll probably suck it up and get around to finishing EO3 one of these days though, because I actually did have a ton of fun with it.

I plan to play 4 eventually, there's just the combined issues of mainly liking the unlock classes rather than the starting options (leading to me not making it past character creation when I tried to start it) and being preoccupied with other RPGs. EOU2 I probably won't touch; I didn't really like any of the changes EOU1 introduced, and even if U2 improves on them I still only feel like I'd be spending money for an inferior version of one of my favorite games.

I'm actually the opposite lol, I really like the oldschool aesthetic of EO1-3 while the 3D and whatnot in 4 forward is offputting to me. That said, stratums did look really pretty in EOU, I appreciated that.

EOIV > EOUII > PQ (Persona-themed spin off built on the EO engine) > EOUI

In terms of the 3DS Etrian games. Mystery Dungeon really depends on how much you like Mystery Dungeon more than Etrian Odyssey.

Sounds pretty similar to what I've heard, though it's usually EOU1 ≥ PQ from people that aren't playing it for the Persona fanservice.

I keep forgetting about EOMD despite having it, whenever I'm in the mood for that type of game I start up Elona instead

 

[Lorde]

tfw i'm level 200 on overwatch, but i don't want to get promoted before the halloween event starts because i want ez loot boxes, so i'm playing on an alt account to curb me over until then

 

[r_greening1]

this is what I live for

 

[Antonykun]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=350484228616639

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/W...an+post+_c8e26fba7dda49fc15460cb53b83be16.jpg

 

[Lavani]

hello gorls

today i went fast

 

[Baskerville]

Ello Zeldas.

 

[Lil Puddin]

tfw i'm level 200 on overwatch, but i don't want to get promoted before the halloween event starts because i want ez loot boxes, so i'm playing on an alt account to curb me over until then

Wow sis, you got it bad.

hello gorls

today i went fast

Slippery slope to becoming a Sonic main, sis. You best watch it. Wuaaaaaaah~

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=350484228616639

 

[Lavani]

Slippery slope to becoming a Sonic main, sis. You best watch it. Wuaaaaaaah~

As long as Sonic isn't airdash-centric and lacks stealing defeated bosses' attacks, I think I'm safe.

 

[Buddhahobo]

Sounds pretty similar to what I've heard, though it's usually EOU1 ≥ PQ from people that aren't playing it for the Persona fanservice.

PQ is a great game. More importantly, it showed how amazingly imaginative the EO team could be in terms of labyrinth design and atmosphere when not confined to the forest/autumn forest/ice forest/ Sword-and-Sorcery setting of the EO games. They really got let loose here and that went a long way in showing the type of puzzles they could come up with with 3D overworld FOEs.

Further, adding persona elements to the modern EO battle system works a lot better than trying to revert back to the EO1 battle system with a poorly implemented system to replace three games worth of changes and polishes (i.e., Grimoire System). EO honestly has an established history with "early installment weirdness" with most of their mechanics. Chances are when they introduce something new, it's the second game it appears in when it really gets polished off and shines the way it was intended (Grimoire System in EOU2, Subclassing in IV, etc)

Regardless, I put both of them before EOIII.

Or maybe I'll just wait until the inevitable EOU3.

I'd just do that. Honestly out of all the EOs, III is really the one that could use a story revamp. I hated pretty much everyone character in that game that talked. And maybe they could make the sailing minigame not be terrible.

Apparently in one of the Untold artbooks they said that a theoretical Untold 3 would be the Highlander and Fafnir Knight meeting up. ...Though why they would meet up in Armoroad when the Highlander tribe is native to High Lagaard, I don't really know.

 

[Koiba]

Finished Awakening for the second time in 3 years


Notes:

- Had to marry Cordelia because Nammy told me too. Severa was pretty broken but Morgan was a god, par-usual
- Nowi still best girl. But if I were to start a new file with a male avatar I'd feel like a pedo so Cherche for me
- Lon'qu best male 1st gen
- Cynthia best female child
- Inigo best male child
- My Robin and Chrom were ****
- My Sumia was ****
- I wished my Panne got better stats
- Same with Cordelia
- Sorcerer!Laurent was a god
- Chrom not dual attacking when he had a 93% to do one at least like, 10 times
- Bride class has a pretty dress, it's fun to draw and stuff
- Conquest is still the best song

 

[McKnightlíght]

Cordelia for best character.

 

[Phenomiracle]

Destiny (Ablaze) ****s on every FE13 track.

Someone needs to go jail for its exclusion in Smash 4.

There's absolutely no good reason for leaving it out of the soundtrack.

None.

 

[Buddhahobo]

According to the front page, the failed image icon debacle should be fixed.

Let's test it.

Still won't show up.

But hey, I can upload it as an attachment now, so that's half better.

 

[McKnightlíght]

That Rowlet evo was lol

Brionne art looked awful but it was alright in game.


But littlen evo could still evolve into heel wrestler evo


The dream is still alive

Happened to notice this post.



I have corrupted the formatting of this place.

 

[JayE]

Awakening had an amazing soundtrack. Fire Emblem in general has great music.
Also Lyon's Theme
I cri everytim ._.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Cool, thanks. Unfortunately I'm reminded that there are few class designs I actually like in EO5...guess I'll probably be picking Warlock, Reaper, and Dragoon and letting friends pick the other two.

Or I might just skip Dragoon too because I hate using the Protector archetype, but I really, really like 1 Dragoon's design.

Apparently each class has two "master titles" or whatever to choose from partway through the game which determines which one of the class's strengths in emphasized, so you could have a more offensive dragoon who only does some protecting to the side if you wish.

 

[Koiba]

Cordelia for best character.

That's a weird way of spelling Nowi

Do you not like shiny dragons?

 

[ZephyrZ]

Do you not like shiny dragons?

Shiny dragons are kind of ew.

Shiny fire/flyings though? Those are cool.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Hello, friends. I'm working on a balance patch, and I've been doing my homework on a lot of the things Zelda really needs to bump her up to the next level of viability.

The main problem I've run into is that Zelda's jab is extremely resistant to buffs of any kind, as any changes in move's frame data cause the game to crash. To compensate, I've helped her tilts out some, and sped up her grab startup. The rest of the changes can viewed here.

I'm still relatively new to modding, and I'm totally new to Zelda, but the version of her that I'm trying out now is extremely fun. What I'm mainly looking for is a few knowledgeable Zelda mains to really break down a few of the things holding her back, and how she can be fixed up without drastically changing the reasons you enjoy playing her in the first place.

 

[Rickster]

Any gorls want to play any?

I might go secondaries. Maybe.
I'm also testing out my new GC controller so if I make strange movements I probably pushed the wrong button

 

[McKnightlíght]

That's a weird way of spelling Nowi

Do you not like shiny dragons?

Not into CP

Sorry

 

[Buddhahobo]

Not into CP

Sorry

It feels weird to be in love with 15 year old Alyson Michalka, but you know what I'm just rolling with it.

Hey she grows up to be a "rock" star so it's ok.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Can't spell sleuth w/o

F*** you.

 

[Ffamran]

Late stuff about Pokémon Sun & Moon's starter evolutions. Dartrix, the butler owl reminded me of Blathers for some reason. As an owl that is a butler with particular "hair" and who fights by flinging sharp feathers at you, Dartrix reminds me of Sebastian from Black Butler. I don't know much about the series, but Sebastian does fight with throwing knives, right?

Sort of related to Pokémon, Street Fighter V's got Halloween costumes planned. So, you've got your usual stuff like Nash is Frankenstein, Necalli is a werewolf, Vega / Balrog / Claw as , etc. Juri's is supposed to be a demon, but because of the hood, she resembles Team Magma's Courtney if she was in a skimpier outfit. I don't know if there will be others, but it would be cool to reference Darkstalkers with Chun-Li and F.A.N.G. being jiangshi, "Chinese hopping zombies", which is what Hsien-ko is. It would fit F.A.N.G. more because of his sleeves and he even has a move where he hops forward at you. Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2016/10/04/halloween-comes-street-fighter-v-7-costumes-stage/.

 

[Lil Puddin]

Hello, friends. I'm working on a balance patch, and I've been doing my homework on a lot of the things Zelda really needs to bump her up to the next level of viability.

The main problem I've run into is that Zelda's jab is extremely resistant to buffs of any kind, as any changes in move's frame data cause the game to crash. To compensate, I've helped her tilts out some, and sped up her grab startup. The rest of the changes can viewed here.

I'm still relatively new to modding, and I'm totally new to Zelda, but the version of her that I'm trying out now is extremely fun. What I'm mainly looking for is a few knowledgeable Zelda mains to really break down a few of the things holding her back, and how she can be fixed up without drastically changing the reasons you enjoy playing her in the first place.

Zelda is ALMOST a good character. Her problem lies in the fact she is very inflexible and slow. Yet she has to play a "tipper" kind of playstyle to get the most out of everything she has. Except unlike other sweet-spot-to-win characters, she doesn't get any great combo setups from hitting with a sour spot. She's seemingly designed as a slow defensive glass cannon with a high precision threshold, all of which do not blend nicely.

It seems the buffs you did are actually very good to what ails her at the moment without going overboard. You got most of them. Though having 1 less endlag on her NAir and DAir wouldn't be unreasonable to start (1 less from what you have now).

As for what else could be changed, I think keeping her playstyle the same is crucial but make it far more forgiving. Which it seems you have done with the faster attacks. Though she could use a few things to aid her neutral game. I always felt like having a vacuum effect on NAir would help her aerial game out some, since it would make it easier for follow ups since you KNOW they'd get hit instead of nicked (similar to how custom move Naryu's Passion acts, which is its only redeeming quality). As for her ground game, she would greatly appreciate a faster jab but that's not possible. A faster Ftilt is kind of unfair though since it is actually kind of good if the blindspot is removed (her upper torso should be a sour-spot hitbox if anything). Unless you make a weird switch to have Ftilt act as a strong jab and her jab be some sort of ungodly shade spray attack with high KB. lol

 

[r_greening1]

b-but i like jab already .-.

 

[Lavani]

b-but i like jab already .-.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Zelda is ALMOST a good character. Her problem lies in the fact she is very inflexible and slow. Yet she has to play a "tipper" kind of playstyle to get the most out of everything she has. Except unlike other sweet-spot-to-win characters, she doesn't get any great combo setups from hitting with a sour spot. She's seemingly designed as a slow defensive glass cannon with a high precision threshold, all of which do not blend nicely.

It seems the buffs you did are actually very good to what ails her at the moment without going overboard. You got most of them. Though having 1 less endlag on her NAir and DAir wouldn't be unreasonable to start (1 less from what you have now).

As for what else could be changed, I think keeping her playstyle the same is crucial but make it far more forgiving. Which it seems you have done with the faster attacks. Though she could use a few things to aid her neutral game. I always felt like having a vacuum effect on NAir would help her aerial game out some, since it would make it easier for follow ups since you KNOW they'd get hit instead of nicked (similar to how custom move Naryu's Passion acts, which is its only redeeming quality). As for her ground game, she would greatly appreciate a faster jab but that's not possible. A faster Ftilt is kind of unfair though since it is actually kind of good if the blindspot is removed (her upper torso should be a sour-spot hitbox if anything). Unless you make a weird switch to have Ftilt act as a strong jab and her jab be some sort of ungodly shade spray attack with high KB. lol

Thanks for your comments! I don't know about default Zelda, but I spent about an hour in the lab with the current build and dtilt confirms into basically every move she has at certain %s, so it may be a little strong right now. Having a really strong ftilt might be redundant.

At low %s, dtilt > ftilt is true. At mid %s, dtilt > nair, and at high %s, dtilt to upair. It's actually really fun, but it MIGHT be broken since dtilt is so quick.

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

Jab is probably my favourite of Zelda's moves
String's into dash attack, feels satisfying to hit.
My only nitpick with it is...
Why. Does. A. Jab. Come. Out. Frame.11
Buddhahobo I'm not sure if you decide to save the most interesting posts on the social somewhere or you have the memory of a dolphin.

 

[Rickster]

Jab is probably my favourite of Zelda's moves
String's into dash attack, feels satisfying to hit.
My only nitpick with it is...
Why. Does. A. Jab. Come. Out. Frame.11
Buddhahobo I'm not sure if you decide to save the most interesting posts on the social somewhere or you have the memory of a dolphin.

Because it does 11%, combos into DA/Grab/Nair/Fair/Ftilt (position dependent), has like no end lag, is disjointed, transcendent, and sets up tech chases against careless opponents.

Honestly it doing 11% is almost silly. I'm surprised they buffed it that much. Her actual "Jab" in the traditional sense is Dtilt
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Scarlet Jile
Anyway out of those changes I liked the aerial changes the most (although Nair could become cancerous since it confirms into practically anything with that landing lag lol).

I really like the dtilt buff, I've been wanting that for forever

The dash attack shield damage is interesting. Not sure how much that would impact her though since even with the FAF buff DA is super unsafe (like pretty much all others)

Fsmash shield damage seems a bit much. It's already a decent shield pressure move. I'd rather have less endlag

Grab changes are nice, but it already has good range. I'd exchange the range buff for a FAF buff

For the Phantom I just want her to act 5-8 frames earlier on release. I can't be bothered to look at the convoluted data lol. I feel like the only Zelda player who actively uses the Phantom constantly :/

Lastly do note that changing fall speed/weight etc could affect her resistance to combos and autocancel windows. Speaking of AC windows you should totally shave off like 10 from both LKs

Nice work

Forgot to ask about giving Usmash less endlag. Mewtwo got it...
It could use a bit more vertical range too. At least enough to not trade with a Mario Nair lol

 

[Rizen]

Zelda's jab isn't bad if you think of it like a tilt and her Dtilt covers the fast jab niche. What Rickster said.

Shiny dragons are kind of ew.

Shiny fire/flyings though? Those are cool.

When you're right, you're right.

 

[EODM07]

Morning girls. How's everyone doing?

Just checked the EMG of the Week video. And one of us made it onto the video again.
Also, tried to check Smashboards on my Wii U and 3DS, said something about not finding the security certificate; dunno what's going on. Either my Wii U & 3DS hate Smashboards now, or it's something else. :V

I'll also be looking through this week with my support for University, it'll mostly be an introductory week so it'll all be good.

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~

 

[Baskerville]

Been playing Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 back to back for a few weeks and both are awesome games. As of now, Bloodborne has the edge with its more aggressive combat and the Old Hunters I finished and if Ashes of Ariandel and the 2nd DLC for DS3 doesn't have as many cool moments as the Old Hunters, then Bloodborne stands as the better of the two.

Cuz **** man this is still cool.

Then the 2nd Phase music kicks in.

****ing perfection.

 

[Rizen]

Been playing Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 back to back for a few weeks and both are awesome games. As of now, Bloodborne has the edge with its more aggressive combat and the Old Hunters I finished and if Ashes of Ariandel and the 2nd DLC for DS3 doesn't have as many cool moments as the Old Hunters, then Bloodborne stands as the better of the two.

Cuz **** man this is still cool.

Then the 2nd Phase music kicks in.

****ing perfection.

Did you use PS4 or PC? I'm considering getting a system that plays Darksouls 3 and other games and one of the options id to buy a PS4 when the next gen systems come out and the price drops. I could also get a PC that could play it since I need a new computer anyway. I don't want to spend more than $200-400 if it can be helped but still get the full gaming experience. TBH I'm reluctant to buy a new computer because I dislike windows 10 and don't do anything demanding more than my current computer can handle. So I'm weighing my options.
Other games I'm interested in are Final Fantasy games, Skyrim, Minecraft and possible Warcraft but I don't like the monthly online fee for that.

 

[ElderLolz]

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[EODM07]

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I'd make a JoJoke here, but DIO wouldn't appreciate it. (I should get back into using SFM and try and use the Lucina and Bayonetta models. :V)

Also, Purple Guy going ham with Zelda. Getting a 0-death on a Captain Falcon twice in a set.

 

[Baskerville]

Did you use PS4 or PC? I'm considering getting a system that plays Darksouls 3 and other games and one of the options id to buy a PS4 when the next gen systems come out and the price drops. I could also get a PC that could play it since I need a new computer anyway. I don't want to spend more than $200-400 if it can be helped but still get the full gaming experience. TBH I'm reluctant to buy a new computer because I dislike windows 10 and don't do anything demanding more than my current computer can handle. So I'm weighing my options.
Other games I'm interested in are Final Fantasy games, Skyrim, Minecraft and possible Warcraft but I don't like the monthly online fee for that.

I'm using the PS4 version but haven't actually done anything online, paying monthly just to play games online doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Koiba]

Shiny dragons are kind of ew.

Shiny fire/flyings though? Those are cool.

OK you got me with this one lol

 

[EODM07]

Shiny dragons are kind of ew.

Shiny fire/flyings though? Those are cool.

Speaking of shiny dragons. My first shiny Dragon type was an Altaria back in Ruby.