Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[Ffamran]

sprites are the best

Not to say that every game should be sprite-based, but I appreciate the artistic stylings of sprites a lot more than 3D models. Especially since models still tend to have awkward animations and clipping issues galore to this day.

Sprites are time consuming, though. They're labors of love and with how game development is getting more expensive - blame all the advertising, AAA emulation, and need to go Hollywood - and stuff just getting more detailed, sprites aren't considered much, especially with stuff that needs to be animated frame-by-frame like in fighting games. This is why I don't like KoF XIV's direction. I get it, 3D modeling can be more efficient, but they could have gone with something like Guilty Gear Xrd or Marvel vs. Capcom 3 that used 3D models, but stylized them so the look unique or in Guilty Gear's case, looked almost 2D.

Lots of 3D modeled games go for the ultra-realism which more or less makes everything feel generic with some games like Metal Gear Solid V, Final Fantasy XV, and The Witcher 3 doing something to not feel like a freaking tech demo. The irony of that is MGSV goes for even more realism with subtle things like characters adjusting the body to the terrain, so if Snake crawls onto an elevated rock, he's not going to just lie flat and magically hover his legs or animating muscles since, hey, if we're going for realism, then why not make it look even more real and not have arms just move without seeing muscles flex? Street Fighter V and Kingdom Hearts 3 use 3D models, but stylizes them in a way where they stand out. KoF XIV's style just looks like Virtua Fighter or Dead or Alive which makes it lose its charm, especially when KoF XIII had beautiful sprites. 2D modeled, sprite or otherwise, games tend to go for whatever which is just fantastic since each game feels like a different game.

While I didn't really like Zappa, I tried learning him at one point because one of those ghosts in particular is really awesome

Unfortunately I couldn't really get into Guilty Gear at all because none of the characters clicked for/appealed to me. Dizzy's the closest to the sort of character archetype I tend to like but I both didn't enjoy playing her and was awful at her, so I defaulted to Ky (who I also sucked at).

EDIT: I just noticed the forum doesn't allow for consecutive spaces so all spaces after a period are single spaces and this is going to rustle me every time I read a post now.

That just screams Jojo to me... I blame the Robin social.

 

[Gay Ginger]

I just made a FG Sheik rage quit after I beat him 3 times in a row when I had exactly 108% and KOd him with a partially charged F-smash each time lol.

 

[Antonykun]

While I didn't really like Zappa, I tried learning him at one point because one of those ghosts in particular is really awesome

Unfortunately I couldn't really get into Guilty Gear at all because none of the characters clicked for/appealed to me. Dizzy's the closest to the sort of character archetype I tend to like but I both didn't enjoy playing her and was awful at her, so I defaulted to Ky (who I also sucked at).

EDIT: I just noticed the forum doesn't allow for consecutive spaces so all spaces after a period are single spaces and this is going to rustle me every time I read a post now.

I bet you gorls play as the obligatory waifu

 

[Lavani]

TIL Ky is a waifu

 

[Antonykun]

TIL Ky is a waifu

Spoiler: Ky is best waifu

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[Ffamran]

And I thought Elphelt was the obligatory waifu...

 

[Lorde]

The new spoiler tags are sleek as ****. Overall, I like the new update to the site.

 

[KarmaCastle]

The new spoiler tags are sleek as ****. Overall, I like the new update to the site.

I keep trying to click on my notification flag and it sends me to the actual webpage the first click.

It's been a total (altogether) of an hour or two browsing smashboards today and I still can't get used to hovering over the flag instead.

Given my biggest gripe is something that's arguably a positive change I'll just get used to in a day, I have to agree. Smoooooth.

 

[LancerStaff]

Could never get into traditional fighters myself. Not because of the controls, been doing Zs and full circles since '02 thanks to Megaman Zero, but because I can't get attached to cardboard characters with often little personality in gameplay.

I mean, why play as a generic shirtless judo dude when I can be Bowser or Toon Link?

 

[FullMoon]

Well a lot of Smash characters don't exactly have personality as their strong point

Like... Most of the Mario characters. Kirby, Dedede, Duck Hunt, G&W (he's literally flat)... The Pokémon characters except Mewtwo and maybe Lucario have very minimal personality as well.

 

[Lange]

Hi guys got invited by Macchiato to come chat and join among the Zeldas here, if i'm kinda new to the group wont be flamed and turned away I hope *scared face*. Anyway I'm a rosa main but I secondary Zelda but im a sane rosa main no wierd stuff no cult worshop or anything xD. Hope to talk with you all if welcomed Thanks I love Zelda !!

 

[Macchiato]

Hi guys got invited by Macchino to come chat and join among the Zeldas here, if i'm kinda new to the group wont be flamed and turned away I hope *scared face*. Anyway I'm a rosa main but I secondary Zelda but im a sane rosa main no wierd stuff no cult worshop or anything xD. Hope to talk with you all if welcomed Thanks I love Zelda !!

:^)

I main Rosalina too now

 

[Deleted member]

:^)

I main Rosalina too now

Let the drinking begin.

 

[Macchiato]

Let the drinking begin.

Hush, or I'll make you drink syrup from the sippy cup

 

[LancerStaff]

Well a lot of Smash characters don't exactly have personality as their strong point

Like... Most of the Mario characters. Kirby, Dedede, Duck Hunt, G&W (he's literally flat)... The Pokémon characters except Mewtwo and maybe Lucario have very minimal personality as well.

Wouldn't say the Mario characters are really flat besides Peach and maybe Junior... Kirby and DDD definitely aren't flat, and the retro characters are more about the novelty then personality. (Why play as judo man when you can be the bleeping dog from Duck Hunt?) Then the Pokemon have the anime, or at least Greninja will soon.

 

[Koiba]

:^)

I main Rosalina too now

I don't see Boozeluma

 

[Ffamran]

Could never get into traditional fighters myself. Not because of the controls, been doing Zs and full circles since '02 thanks to Megaman Zero, but because I can't get attached to cardboard characters with often little personality in gameplay.

I mean, why play as a generic shirtless judo dude when I can be Bowser or Toon Link?

What traditional fighters did you play? If you played something like Marvel vs. Capcom, then there's kind of no excuse from the Marvel part if you like Marvel or if you got into the recent Persona Arena which once again, if you played any of the Persona games, no excuse as they have established personalities and stories. Even the Capcom part can count when they had characters like Strider, Mega Man, and Zero. For me, KoF XIII, Persona, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, and Skullgirls just wins in the art style department. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 only appealed to me because of Dante and Vergil since I didn't grow up with Street Fighter, Darkstalkers, or much of Marvel.

Street Fighter is just eh... I guess Crimson Viper is okay since I like how she fights, but that's pretty much why I play certain characters: how they play as a character and their animations. If a character has brutal attacks like Nightmare, hell yes, but if it's kind of bland, character doesn't click, etc., then eh, I don't care. That's pretty much the entire cast of Street Fighter for me which doesn't help since I wasn't into Street Fighter so I have no connection or reason to play it. Street Fighter V has only Nash. That's 1 character out of the planned 16. UMvC3 at least had Dante, Vergil, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Iron Fist, and C. Viper, but even then, game just didn't click. I suck at KoF and I blame the gamepad, but the animations the game has and the art style is just amazing. I'd love to play as Kyo, Iori, K', King, Leona, and Elisabeth, but I can't do the command properly. If I could, it'd be awesome to tear people up with Iori or slash my way with Leona. Characters that appeal because of how they fight and how they move. That's it for me. If there's an actual connection like Dante because I'm a fan of Devil May Cry, then that's extra points and more incentive to use them because they're not just in their home series, but in another game.

Wouldn't say the Mario characters are really flat besides Peach and maybe Junior... Kirby and DDD definitely aren't flat, and the retro characters are more about the novelty then personality. (Why play as judo man when you can be the bleeping dog from Duck Hunt?) Then the Pokemon have the anime, or at least Greninja will soon.

Super Mario Sunshine was enough to give Bowser Jr. character. Kid's just confused, looking for his mom that his dad lied to about, and is one mischievous little runt. Peach kind of can count as not really flat when she can get sassy in Super Paper Mario and I think Super Princess Peach definitely added more to her, but she is generally the sweet princess who doesn't really develop much.

 

[Flavius]

Well a lot of Smash characters don't exactly have personality as their strong point

Except the Queen of course

Sassy as heck

 

[FullMoon]

Wouldn't say the Mario characters are really flat besides Peach and maybe Junior... Kirby and DDD definitely aren't flat, and the retro characters are more about the novelty then personality. (Why play as judo man when you can be the bleeping dog from Duck Hunt?) Then the Pokemon have the anime, or at least Greninja will soon.

What personality does Mario even have other than being the generic hero? Luigi has the whole cowardly lion going for him but Mario really doesn't have anything. Link also doesn't show much personality most of the time (Toon Link had some moments from what I remember from WW)

Also the Pokémon of the anime are not necessarily the Pokémon of the game, see Pokémon Trainer. Greninja might fall into the same category though the recent anime leaks do seem to indicate that Ash's is this same as this one.

... Which just makes the fact that Greninja was labeled as a bad guy in a Conquest even more confusing.

 

[Jestar]

Hi guys got invited by Macchiato to come chat and join among the Zeldas here, if i'm kinda new to the group wont be flamed and turned away I hope *scared face*. Anyway I'm a rosa main but I secondary Zelda but im a sane rosa main no wierd stuff no cult worshop or anything xD. Hope to talk with you all if welcomed Thanks I love Zelda !!

Welcome! It's nice to see a new face. Hope you have a good time here.

 

[Ffamran]

Except the Queen of course

Sassy as heck

Whoa... That earring looks massive. It looks like it's taking a chunk out of her ear too.

 

[Antonykun]

Except the Queen of course

Sassy as heck

To be completely honest I feel like Sassy Zelda is more of product of the Zelda Social rather than something inherent in Smash Zelda basically

but with zelda instead of marth

 

[Flavius]

To be completely honest I feel like Sassy Zelda is more of product of the Zelda Social rather than something inherent in Smash Zelda basically

but with zelda instead of marth

True, but once you see sassy Zelda, you can't unsee it.

 

[KarmaCastle]

If her wave taunt and forward tilt aren't sassy well then I just don't know what is anymore.

 

[Antonykun]

If her wave taunt and forward tilt aren't sassy well then I just don't know what is anymore.

I see them more as elegant rather than sassy when I'm not thinking like a zelda social guy

 

[Rickster]

To be completely honest I feel like Sassy Zelda is more of product of the Zelda Social rather than something inherent in Smash Zelda basically

but with zelda instead of marth

More like Sakurai making Zelda have sassy animations despite her never being like that in the actual Zelda games IMO.

I like to think of the characters' "Smash personalities" as their "online personality". I know some people can act a lot different online than irl so...I just came up with that idea, lol.

Tbh it's silly but w/e.

 

[KarmaCastle]

I see them more as elegant rather than sassy when I'm not thinking like a zelda social guy

Ftilt maybe.

But the way she leans and does a royalty queen wave must be the epitome of sass.

The loop she makes is elegant and could be tainted into sass by a Zelda Socialite.

I've always thought the

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taunt was sassy. Even as a kid.

More like Sakurai making Zelda have sassy animations despite her never being like that in the actual Zelda games IMO.

This

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I like to think of the characters' "Smash personalities" as their "online personality". I know some people can act a lot different online than irl so...I just came up with that idea, lol.

Tbh it's silly but w/e.

Hardly silly. Despite my massive paragraphs and incredibly witty nature online I'm incredibly shy and quiet and really did just kinda lean against a wall at my tourney today for the 6 hours I was there. A few people tried to approach me but asked yes/no questions so it didn't get very far.

Nail on the head imo. Even though when it comes down to it they're just fictional videogame characters within another fictional fighting universe. This still has relevance.

 

[Furret]

To be completely honest I feel like Sassy Zelda is more of product of the Zelda Social rather than something inherent in Smash Zelda basically

but with zelda instead of marth

characters that are lacking in characterization are often given personality to them by their supporters/fans. Kinda how link's fetish is pots

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Well a lot of Smash characters don't exactly have personality as their strong point

Like... Most of the Mario characters. Kirby, Dedede, Duck Hunt, G&W (he's literally flat)... The Pokémon characters except Mewtwo and maybe Lucario have very minimal personality as well.

What personality does Mario even have other than being the generic hero? Luigi has the whole cowardly lion going for him but Mario really doesn't have anything. Link also doesn't show much personality most of the time (Toon Link had some moments from what I remember from WW)

Also the Pokémon of the anime are not necessarily the Pokémon of the game, see Pokémon Trainer. Greninja might fall into the same category though the recent anime leaks do seem to indicate that Ash's is this same as this one.

... Which just makes the fact that Greninja was labeled as a bad guy in a Conquest even more confusing.

...wat?

I'd say that the majority have a personality.

As a huge Kirby fan, I can tell you both Kirby and King Dedede have a personality. All the main 4 does. Kirby's happy personality is charming, and King Dedede's anti-heroness and comedy is pretty great as well.

Why did you mentioned Duck Hunt? Most people remember Duck Hunt for his laugh, which is a part of his trollish personality.

Pokemon characters minimal personality is still a personality. Pikachu acts all adorable, but serious when need be, while charizard is more brutal.

Link, Mario, and G&W, I'll give you but even then, for G&W his random and out of this world personality does play a part into why people like him.

Also, ROB is kinda generic.

I mean overall, I feel it isn't fair to say "a lot" of smash characters lack personality.

 

[LancerStaff]

What traditional fighters did you play? If you played something like Marvel vs. Capcom, then there's kind of no excuse from the Marvel part if you like Marvel or if you got into the recent Persona Arena which once again, if you played any of the Persona games, no excuse as they have established personalities and stories. Even the Capcom part can count when they had characters like Strider, Mega Man, and Zero. For me, KoF XIII, Persona, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, and Skullgirls just wins in the art style department. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 only appealed to me because of Dante and Vergil since I didn't grow up with Street Fighter, Darkstalkers, or much of Marvel.

Street Fighter is just eh... I guess Crimson Viper is okay since I like how she fights, but that's pretty much why I play certain characters: how they play as a character and their animations. If a character has brutal attacks like Nightmare, hell yes, but if it's kind of bland, character doesn't click, etc., then eh, I don't care. That's pretty much the entire cast of Street Fighter for me which doesn't help since I wasn't into Street Fighter so I have no connection or reason to play it. Street Fighter V has only Nash. That's 1 character out of the planned 16. UMvC3 at least had Dante, Vergil, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Iron Fist, and C. Viper, but even then, game just didn't click. I suck at KoF and I blame the gamepad, but the animations the game has and the art style is just amazing. I'd love to play as Kyo, Iori, K', King, Leona, and Elisabeth, but I can't do the command properly. If I could, it'd be awesome to tear people up with Iori or slash my way with Leona. Characters that appeal because of how they fight and how they move. That's it for me. If there's an actual connection like Dante because I'm a fan of Devil May Cry, then that's extra points and more incentive to use them because they're not just in their home series, but in another game.

Street Fighter, Tekken, Soul Caliber (the one with Link lol) and Marvel vs Capcom. Can't remember which I played, but I believe the MvC didn't have any Megaman characters from the 2D platformers.

This is all across the years so it's not like they're all fresh in my mind, but you can't say I didn't try either. Played at least five hours of each just searching for a character I like. Never found a one.

MvC Megaman (or at least one of them) I know is mostly a generic punch and kick character, and then Zero I wouldn't care for because I don't really care for the X series. I don't like super heros or SMT so yeah...

What personality does Mario even have other than being the generic hero? Luigi has the whole cowardly lion going for him but Mario really doesn't have anything. Link also doesn't show much personality most of the time (Toon Link had some moments from what I remember from WW)

Also the Pokémon of the anime are not necessarily the Pokémon of the game, see Pokémon Trainer. Greninja might fall into the same category though the recent anime leaks do seem to indicate that Ash's is this same as this one.

... Which just makes the fact that Greninja was labeled as a bad guy in a Conquest even more confusing.

Mario's a lot of things. Sometimes he's more strong and calm, sometimes loud and fun loving, sometimes a goofball, sometimes too dumb to live, sometimes a big jerk. He's never entirely the same character. Kinda like Mickey Mouse.

The Pokemon invoke the anime pretty much by being the Pokemon...

 

[Space Stranger]

ITT: Many users display difficulty in understanding a character's personality when it isn't verbally stated.

For example, Captain Falcon's personality in Smash does not completely differ from his in the F-Zero games since he first comes off as a loner who prides himself in driving really fast. The difference, however, is shown when he is on the battlefield which allows him to utilize flashy movements and attacks to show his power. This may be the reason why most see him as sort of a superhero-wannabe that likes to kick ass and punch really hard.

 

[Rizen]

"what if I don't like tournaments"
"What if I just prefer to play wifi"
"lol tourneys"

I'm guessing you're sarcastic. Wifi's fun and can be good to get a feel for competitive smash if the connection's good. I really hate when someone has a laggy connection and just spams attack in a way that would get punished hard without the lag. It's like playing billiards on a floating yacht during a storm then claiming that makes you good. It's stupid.

What personality does Mario even have other than being the generic hero? Luigi has the whole cowardly lion going for him but Mario really doesn't have anything. Link also doesn't show much personality most of the time (Toon Link had some moments from what I remember from WW)

Mario speak'ah like theese. He'sah Italiano, you see? Threreafor he's got the personality.

Link had some good moments in Twilight Princess when talking to Colin and Ilia.

 

[Lavani]

It's like playing billiards on a floating yacht during a storm then claiming that makes you good.

I'm going to have to steal this line.

 

[Ffamran]

Street Fighter, Tekken, Soul Caliber (the one with Link lol) and Marvel vs Capcom. Can't remember which I played, but I believe the MvC didn't have any Megaman characters from the 2D platformers.

This is all across the years so it's not like they're all fresh in my mind, but you can't say I didn't try either. Played at least five hours of each just searching for a character I like. Never found a one.

MvC Megaman (or at least one of them) I know is mostly a generic punch and kick character, and then Zero I wouldn't care for because I don't really care for the X series. I don't like super heros or SMT so yeah...

Mega Man and Roll were only in MvC1 and 2. He wasn't in X-Men vs. Street Fighter - gee, I wonder? - or Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter - gee, I wonder again - and definitely not in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 or UMvC3 which lead to fans being upset. Zero was the only one to be in MvC3 and UMvC3 over Mega Man for some reason... Seriously, Capcom, sell the goddamned franchise if you're not going to do anything with it like Godhand, Okami, Viewtiful Joe, etc.

Welp, you have The King of Fighters, Skullgirls, Blazblue, Killer Instinct, Guilty Gear, Bloody Roar - as defunct as it is -, Rising Thunder, Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter - also defunct from what I remember -, and plenty more left to try.

 

[Soul.]

I'm guessing you're sarcastic. Wifi's fun and can be good to get a feel for competitive smash if the connection's good. I really hate when someone has a laggy connection and just spams attack in a way that would get punished hard without the lag. It's like playing billiards on a floating yacht during a storm then claiming that makes you good. It's stupid.

Wi-Fi is fun, yes. The connection part is something I can't disagree with.
Tourneys are the big thing for sure but it just depends on the player

 

[Shrokatii]

I say screw tournaments for glory should be standard for competition

 

[kenniky]

I keep trying to click on my notification flag and it sends me to the actual webpage the first click.

It's been a total (altogether) of an hour or two browsing smashboards today and I still can't get used to hovering over the flag instead.

Given my biggest gripe is something that's arguably a positive change I'll just get used to in a day, I have to agree. Smoooooth.

You always were able to access notifications by hovering...

 

[LancerStaff]

Welp, you have The King of Fighters, Skullgirls, Blazblue, Killer Instinct, Guilty Gear, Bloody Roar - as defunct as it is -, Rising Thunder, Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter - also defunct from what I remember -, and plenty more left to try.

I've seen a lot of those in action... Skull Girls, Blazblue, Dead or Alive, and Injustice and Mortal Kombat too. I just don't see anything that really hooks me.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Wow ok. Just woke up from a 14 hour slumber... Sm4sh anyone?

 

[KarmaCastle]

You always were able to access notifications by hovering...

W-

Wha---

I. I need a minute.