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[smokebomb12]

I just found out Link has better recovering options then Zelda. The more you know. XD

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I just found out Link has better recovering options then Zelda. The more you know. XD

wat

 

[Symphonia]

I just found out Link has better recovering options then Zelda. The more you know. XD

Could you elaborate on this please?

On a different note
tfw killing with upsmash at ~80%

 

[Rickster]

I just found out Link has better recovering options then Zelda. The more you know. XD

Gorl..?

 

[kenniky]

My hate for ebola back throw transcends time, space and the universe itself.

http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Ness

Hmmm

 

[smokebomb12]

wat

Could you elaborate on this please?

On a different note
tfw killing with upsmash at ~80%

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Gorl..?

Given all of Links tools, Link can bomb jump, meaning he can do Up special, thrn the bomb blows up helping him gain more air mobility AND THEN he can use Up special again. Not to mention Links tether recovery. Link can also make the Hyrule jump and can make it around Final destination, Lylat cruise, Battlefield and Smashville and can make it back. Zelda has a better vertical, but thats it. When shes done, shes done.

So yeah, beats s recovery.

>.

Gorl you need to do your homework XD

 

[kenniky]

"PK Trash"

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Zelda has a very good vertical recovery, very good horizontal recovery, and very good diagonal recovery. She's invincible during almost all of her recovery so she can't be gimped. If she's coming down towards the stage against someone who doesn't edgeguard for some reason, she can also charge a Phantom for some extra damage. The only downfall of her recovery is that there's a few frames to hit it when snapping to the ledge. Link's recovery can be gimped very easily and even if he can make it go farther with a bomb you have to wait for the bomb to explode which isn't always practical

BAN•ZELDA

 

[Locke 06]

Coworker just texted me:
"Never knew you were so sassy."

Gorl don't even know.

 

[Rickster]

Given all of Links tools, Link can bomb jump, meaning he can do Up special, thrn the bomb blows up helping him gain more air mobility AND THEN he can use Up special again. Not to mention Links tether recovery. Link can also make the Hyrule jump and can make it around Final destination, Lylat cruise, Battlefield and Smashville and can make it back. Zelda has a better vertical, but thats it. When shes done, shes done.

So yeah, beats s recovery.

>.

Gorl you need to do your homework XD

Zelda can also make it around BF, FD, and SV.

Link can be hit out if his Spin Attack and tether fairly easily...it's usually a spike since he's vulnerable from above. Zelda can only be hit in startup and when grabbing the ledge.

Bomb jumping won't help you fast enough when you really need it. The bomb takes time to explode, unlike Zelda's instant Teleport. It also damages you. I only see bombs being useful when Link is sent really far.

If you go after Zelda offstage, she can basically bypass you just by choosing to recover horizontally onto the stage. The edgeguard situation is then reversed. Link doesn't really have this option since his Spin Attack only goes up, and his tether only goes sideways.

Zelda is floaty with meh airspeed, so even if she loses her jump she'll probably still make it back. She's practically ungimpable. Link gets gimped...a lot.

Link has better offensive options recovering (like the boomerang, bow, and bombs), but Zelda far outclasses him in terms of versatility, distance, and edgeguard capability.

Not saying Link's recovery is trash, but it's nothing amazing.

 

[smokebomb12]

Zelda has a very good vertical recovery, very good horizontal recovery, and very good diagonal recovery. She's invincible during almost all of her recovery so she can't be gimped. If she's coming down towards the stage against someone who doesn't edgeguard for some reason, she can also charge a Phantom for some extra damage. The only downfall of her recovery is that there's a few frames to hit it when snapping to the ledge. Link's recovery can be gimped very easily and even if he can make it go farther with a bomb you have to wait for the bomb to explode which isn't always practical

BAN•ZELDA

Can be gimped easily? WAIT FOR THE BOMB TO BLOW UP

Zelda can also make it around BF, FD, and SV.

Link can be hit out if his Spin Attack and tether fairly easily...it's usually a spike since he's vulnerable from above. Zelda can only be hit in startup and when grabbing the ledge.

Bomb jumping won't help you fast enough when you really need it. The bomb takes time to explode, unlike Zelda's instant Teleport. It also damages you. I only see bombs being useful when Link is sent really far.

If you go after Zelda offstage, she can basically bypass you just by choosing to recover horizontally onto the stage. The edgeguard situation is then reversed. Link doesn't really have this option since his Spin Attack only goes up, and his tether only goes sideways.

Zelda is floaty with meh airspeed, so even if she loses her jump she'll probably still make it back. She's practically ungimpable. Link gets gimped...a lot.

Link has better offensive options recovering (like the boomerang, bow, and bombs), but Zelda far outclasses him in terms of versatility, distance, and edgeguard capability.

Not saying Link's recovery is trash, but it's nothing amazing.

Hold my phone.

Let me finish fighting this dude then will talk.

 

[kenniky]

As our friend Antonykun said:

Safety (hitboxes/intangibility/invincibility frames) > Mixups (options) > Character's Mobility specs> Distance when it comes to recovery.

I'm not on anyone's side here, just offering it into the discussion.

 

[smokebomb12]

So just because Zelda can't be gimped during her recovery, does not make it better then others who can.

can be gimped during his recovery, but its still etter then . She can still be hit with a good spacing move like s Nair bombs, boomerang and Bair before she disappears. I even spiked some s before they could get the whole spin around. Not to mention doesn't always grab the ledge, causing the foe to get a free punish move in. s Up B for the most part covers his head. The only bad part is when he turns around and either the back of his head is open or his back is wide open. But that sword will more then likely hit you before you can hit . It traps you inside the the move until he either grabs the ledge or does that final swing that could possibly KO you. Not to mention his vertical recovery isn't bad he he go a pretty fair distance, not better then s vertical momentum, but its still good. Now the gimping is a easy to fix problem. Bomb jumping. If Link gets knocked off stage, befor you do anything, you need to pull out a bomb, then you see what the opponent does, if he goes after you throw a boomerang or do a quick air dodge. But wait, you still have your double jump, so double jump, and then up B, then the bomb goes off (4 really quick seconds) then Up B again. or you could pull out a bomb, tether the stage and then go on with your daily life. There are so many out ccomes Link can choose from.

Is s recovery bad, **** no. It covers alot of ground and is very easy to pull off. just has better recovery options.


There is alot more, but I'm not in the mood right now.

 

[Soul.]

 

[Antonykun]

As our friend Antonykun said:


I'm not on anyone's side here, just offering it into the discussion.

Still stand on that point though, i have no idea whether or not link's recovery is better than zelda by that criteria so I'll use my other criteria: can villager consistently edgeguard this character? Well thats a tough one. Villager can do far better at actually going off stage against Link but the bowling ball is so good on that one frame on Faore's so...
:/

@ Nu~ your main is dumb

 

[Locke 06]

@ Antonykun - is jab>axe guaranteed at kill/high %'s? Because that's scary... Watching a japanese Mega lose to Ranai.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Ness

Hmmm

I play a bit of Ness now. I often praise myself for the high level of skill it takes for me to hit someone with my massive range frame 6 unblockable move and then hit the direction I'm NOT facing.

Sometimes I accidentally up throw!

 

[ぱみゅ]

I play a bit of Ness now. I often praise myself for the high level of skill it takes for me to hit someone with my massive range frame 6 unblockable move and then hit the direction I'm NOT facing.

Sometimes I accidentally throw up!

butbut muh PK recoveree sux!!1!

 

[Antonykun]

@ Antonykun - is jab>axe guaranteed at kill/high %'s? Because that's scary... Watching a japanese Mega lose to Ranai.

nope but I know how I'm going to bother crysis now :D

 

[Rickster]

So Cosmo is streaming Tourney Mode...while playing Minesweeper and listening to Harry Potter audio books.

It's actually pretty great.
Totally WAS NOT expecting Minesweeper, LOL

 

[FullMoon]

What the actual hell is going on here.

 

[Soul.]

What the actual hell is going on here.

it's a new era

 

[Nu~]

Pssshh. Y'all are late.

I'm currently practicing it to screw around with slower characters. Unfortunately run, jump, or walk will deactivate the glitch.

...but crawling doesn't

@ Antonykun
Hey, that's what I've been trying to tell people lol. I should just let everyone take pacman at face value.

Surprising the misinformed is fun! Like when I heal off of Rosas that spam down B lol

 

[smokebomb12]

Who is cosmo? You mean Dabuz?

 

[Rickster]

Who is cosmo? You mean Dabuz?

Cosmo is (was?) one of the top Melee Zeldas and one of the best Smash 4 Zeldas as of now. He's also an awesome speed runner.

 

[kenniky]

Zelda's jab KOs Mario at 293%. This makes it a viable sudden death tactic.

more to come~

 

[Macchiato]

Cosmo is (was?) one of the top Melee Zeldas and one of the best Smash 4 Zeldas as of now. He's also an awesome speed runner.

Does he go to any tournaments? The only one I've seen was Combo Breaker and I don't think he made it out of pools.

 

[kenniky]

Does he go to any tournaments? The only one I've seen was Combo Breaker and I don't think he made it out of pools.

He got 2nd at the Nintendo World Championships...

 

[Rickster]

Does he go to any tournaments? The only one I've seen was Combo Breaker and I don't think he made it out of pools.

I don't think he's going to anything. It sucks because his Zelda is still quite good. Oh well at least he streams frequently.

Oh yeah I completely forgot about the NWC. Oops

 

[Captain Zack]

lol mfw qorls don't know who cosmo is

 

[Macchiato]

lol mfw qorls don't know who cosmo is

is this @|ven| in another account?

 

[kenniky]

Ftilt sourspot and utilt kill at about the same time!

A sweetspot dash attack kills at a percentage in between the two dsmash hits!

Dsmash has a sourspot that you have to be inside the opponent to hit!

Yaaaay!!!

(I don't know why I'm doing this)

 

[Lorde]

lol mfw qorls don't know who cosmo is

lol I bet they don't know who The Lake is, either

 

[Macchiato]

lol I bet they don't know who The Lake is, either

tbh how could a Zelda not know who that was, even if they never played Melee.

 

[FullMoon]

I was looking at some Pokémon gifs and

What in the world were you expecting to accomplish with this, Red? lol

 

[Rickster]

lol I bet they don't know who The Lake is, either

Is The Lake still playing Melee? I haven't seen any vids of him in a while.

So...does this mean Melee Zelda now has no reps at all?

Oh well, you can't really blame anyone for not using her now. Since 20XX and stuff.

 

[Lorde]

Is The Lake still playing Melee? I haven't seen any vids of him in a while.

So...does this mean Melee Zelda now has no reps at all?

Oh well, you can't really blame anyone for not using her now. Since 20XX and stuff.

I'm not sure how recently it was updated, but his page on smash wiki says that he's currently 7th on the Pittsburgh Melee power rankings. That would mean he's still playing, but again, idk how long ago that page was updated.

I hope he still playing.

 

[Antonykun]

hey @Nammy12 care to make a silly gif?

Spoiler

could you mayhaps put the N@iro Apex emote on ZSS's face on this gif?

 

[smokebomb12]

I was looking at some Pokémon gifs and

What in the world were you expecting to accomplish with this, Red? lol

Well if you seen the Anime (Its very good) he is doing that "Pokémon and humans should share a bond" type of deal. Mewtwo was kicking his as until

Spoiler

But it was stupid. That's like me trying to catch my favorite car.

 

[kenniky]

THERE ARE TWO FINISHING HITBOXES TO NAIR

THEIR KO PERCENTAGES HAVE A 40% DIFFERENCE

WHY

this confused me for a good 10 minutes ugh