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JigglyZelda003
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she's worse than she was in Brawl, she lost basically everything and is holding up off of raw properties lol.I'm starting to see what @Alacion is saying about peach. She might be just as good as she was in Brawl. She might have kill power but the loss of float cancelling has made her more sluggish.
Fair>Jab from brawl is gone making it easier on Zelda than it was in Brawl but Peach is still frustrating to deal with at times. Zelda benefits better from Rage than Peach making the matchup not so bad but still work.
FullMoon
i'm just joking with you
Maleficent is one of the people I play with often in the ladder. We usually have close matches with each other but I never won a set.
Speed is important because the lack of it and movement means she's easily camped. Please tell me what "unexplored" tech makes Peach win against https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObCiUoO94A8. GLIDE TOSSING being gone is huge.I'm starting to see what @
The simple act of spamming fair safely would actually make people think twice about approaching Peach. Peach had a "defensive bubble" in Brawl but look at how easily it is to invade her space in Smash 4.
Might be a fallacy but Kie *was* able to compete with TOP level players in Brawl but can't beat a somewhat mindless Falcon in Smash 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_p6ix17THw is great.
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Macchiato
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I think shes a solid mid. Elevator helps us punish her dair pressuring. I miss her old peach bomber tbh. I used it as an edgeguard tool, if you got hit with it offstage, you're probably not coming back.
Maleficent is amazing, I played him just today. Friendlies though, he makes peach look fast.
yeah, float cancelling and glide tossing made her so fast. She's just slow now. so many moves got slower too. Jab, dtilt, im p sure brawl uair was faster, fair, bair, nair, even plucking vegetables are slower.
Please bring https://youtu.be/N_p6ix17THw?t=7m25s back. Fair is love 
Macchiato
Smash Hero
please bring back brawl peach bomberPlease bring https://youtu.be/N_p6ix17THw?t=7m25s back. Fair is love
Trieste SP
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I kinda forgot how fast Brawl Peach was.Please bring https://youtu.be/N_p6ix17THw?t=7m25s back. Fair is love
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You can't punish dair on shield. The last hitbox is on frame 30 and you can input something else on frame 39.
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FullMoon
i'm just joking with you
Wait wtf how am I 24th in the ladder when I haven't played there in two days. Last time I was on 26th
I guess the top players must be losing a lot lately lol.
I guess the top players must be losing a lot lately lol.
Macchiato
Smash Hero
Idk, against every Peach i've played, I elevatored during or after their dair
CatRaccoonBL
You can do it!
Doing classic mode again gorls. Up next is Zelda!
JigglyZelda003
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Long live Brawl Peach lol
ewww no, Sm4sh Peach Bomber is like the only buff she had coming from brawl. lol
I'm pretty sure i've Utilted Peach on shielded float Dair>Dair. float Dair>Nair is unpunishable
Is Peach's jab still frame 2? I know it lost range from Brawl. Her jab had the most range out of all her ground moves even the golf club.
Trieste SP
Smash Champion
Why I haven't heard anything of this person. His Peach was amazing. I can also see how important Glide Tossing was. This is bringing back some memories from Brawl.
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dair has a 12 frame start up, so probably.
then they're bad if you're consistently getting that
then again i was getting zelda usmash > up b'd so anything's probably possible
you should try that Macc. Usmash to up b. Advance the meta, make zulderr high tier
Yes.
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Haha, he's been my favourite Brawl player for many many years. He's Japanese and he is still a teenager today. He does have a lot of vids on YouTube though. Kie has been the hero for Brawl Peach ever since Leon switched to Marth.
Kie is on http://i.imgur.com/b2JH1LA.jpg at least!
Macchiato
Smash Hero
I miss brawl bomber so much. It was so much better as a recovery tool due to the low end lag. The low end lag combined with it being ledge cancelled was amazing for setting up edgeguards. Smash bomber and Slingshot bomber were great mindgames. it let you slightly delay or make it hit earlier by half a second. It was also great for punishing ledge options too.
I'm pretty sure the peaches weren't bad. Maleficent is probably the best peach atm and takes both online and offline tournaments. Captain Zack is like 10 on Smashladder. Sometimes uthrow to farore's wind works. Also how can i make zulderr high tier if she's already high tier.
I remember when peach's damage output was insane. Dair did 15%. It's like WiiFit's nair. Dair-->Dair-->Dair-->Dair-->Uair did like 55% and now you can't chain three dairs together.
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Trieste SP
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I think I saw this image before. Never noticed he was on Peach. Interesting, I might have a look at some of his Peach play.
evmaxy54
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Hey look Riot is there too.
I miss his Zelda Jujux too they were both great
I miss his Zelda
Jujux too they were both great
Macchiato
Smash Hero
I think Ven was the best Zelda.Hey look Riot is there too.
I miss his Zelda
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
long live queen Riot of brawl Zelda. She hasn't had time to put into Sm4sh so that's why we dont see her around.Hey look Riot is there too.
I miss his Zelda
evmaxy54
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Ven was definitely Top 3 Zelda in Brawl for sure. I'm kinda biased towards Riot though because he was an inspiration of mine when I started getting into the whole competitive side of Smash (sorry Ven I love you don't worry)
Yeah we should all try to be like Riot. Good at Zelda and lifts.
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Watching a Brawl video of Riot and someone fell out of fsmash three times in a row. SMH
they should put sakurai in smash so we can beg to nerf him
evmaxy54
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I bet ya it was a Marth wasn't it?
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Marth, Ness, and Lucas could escape Zelda's usmash. Anybody can escape fsmash by holding up but leaves them open for a dash attack most times.
Macchiato
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brawl jab was trash. brawl dins were better. brawl faroes sucked. brawl uair was the best move... ever.
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...I never realized Brawl fsmash was even worse than pre-1.06 fsmash.
YES. Brawl uair is life. I really liked utilt too
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Macchiato
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brawl utilt would work with Sm4sh usmash...I never realized Brawl fsmash was even worse than pre-1.06 fsmash.
YES. Brawl uair is life. I really liked utilt too
Sm4sh utilt would work with brawl usmash
but instead
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Funny dealio I found about Ike: all of his throws do 7%. Lucky man, eh? Also, his Fair, Dair, and even Uair are pathetically weak when you consider how slow they are compared to his Bair which comes out at frame 7, does 14%, and auto-cancels like the rest of his aerials. Oh, but it covers less range... Should I mention how it's his strongest aerial? The closest is Fair which is frame 13.5 and does 12%. It even has the same base knockback and knockback growth! REALLY, SAKURAI AND TEAM? REALLY? Oh, and Uair lingers for a bit, does 11%, has more base knockback by 10 more than Bair and Fair and it's also frame 13. I would like Bair to be nerfed in knockback or damage while Fair and Uair become stronger in either knockback or damage because it's kind of stupid how much slower moves are weaker. Oh, but the range. Y'know who else has range? Captain Falcon and Ganondorf with their dumb*** disjoints.
Edit: Forgot about Diddy and his stupid hitboxes which makes Ike look like a chump when a dumb monkey can stretch his arms like that.
Edit: Forgot about Diddy and his stupid hitboxes which makes Ike look like a chump when a dumb monkey can stretch his arms like that.
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I just wish Zelda stayed like her Brawl self in this game. There was no reason to change her and she might have actually been good *gasp*
This happened yesterday on stream.
I've never seen a character fly so fast in my life.
Macchiato
Smash Hero
I think she's still good.
Fsmash connects now
Jab is a great combo starter
standing grab and pivot grab is slightly faster
Dash attack is a great kill move
Dthrow is great for combos
We ride elevators now
Nayru's love is faster
LKs are easier to land
Dair actually sweetspots grounded opponents
Utilt is a combo starter
Air and dash speed is faster
If sheilda was a thing, they'd be top tier. Sheik could rack up damage and Zelda would kill them at early percents.
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kenniky
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Uh... do Shulk and Dedede not exist anymore