Zelda is ********

[Emblem Lord]

D-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt then U-smash.

Free 60% damage for you.

If they Smash DI away do a d-smash and they will go at a sharp angle and die.

Zelda is ********.

 

[GodAtHand]

Learn how to not suck?

 

[JesiahTEG]

I also have trouble with Zelda...Specifically with Toon Link. Stupid Fsmash has no lag, it's annoying as ****.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Once you get hit with the d-tilt you're done.

Also the Zelda I play is Ryoko.

Who do you play?

Also, I said nothing of whether or not I lose to Zelda or even how badly I lose if I do. Ryoko does beat me more then I beat him. But that's simply because he is better for the most part.

Anyway, you didn't address anything I said.

The d-tilt locks you and you can only Smash DI to get out. Anticipate this and you still get in some free damage.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

I have a feeling this is sarcasm Emblem Lord, or just venting of frustration.

Also, would you like an invite to the SFR?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Sure.

No, I'm serious.

Zelda is dumb.

But Brawl is dumb in general.

Don't get me wrong Marth is dumb too, but crap.

How hard is it to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt then U-smash.

 

[Aeyr]

Once you get hit with the d-tilt you're done.

Also the Zelda I play is Ryoko.

Who do you play?

Also, I said nothing of whether or not I lose to Zelda or even how badly I lose if I do. Ryoko does beat me more then I beat him. But that's simply because he is better for the most part.

Anyway, you didn't address anything I said.

The d-tilt locks you and you can only Smash DI to get out. Anticipate this and you still get in some free damage.

lmao i knew it was him for some reason

 

[Tsuteto]

d-tilt is actually really easy to get away from. I don't know who you main at all, but some characters that, after the first hit have a good few free hits:

Snake: f-tilt first hit -> AAA combo
Ike: down throw -> up b (only if they don't DI at all)
Sheik: f-tilt -> f-tilt -> up smash
Metaknight: Down throw -> short hop fair
Marth: short hop fair -> fair -> short hop fair -> fair -> f smash
D3: Chain grab (for most)

There's others, but those are the main ones that come to mind. I'd have to agree with the "play better" comment if you're complaining about how cheap Zelda's dtilt is.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

Alright, I'm gonna see what the others say about it, I'l P.M you to see what their decision is.

 

[boss8]

Once you get hit with the d-tilt you're done.

Also the Zelda I play is Ryoko.

Who do you play?

Also, I said nothing of whether or not I lose to Zelda or even how badly I lose if I do. Ryoko does beat me more then I beat him. But that's simply because he is better for the most part.

Anyway, you didn't address anything I said.

The d-tilt locks you and you can only Smash DI to get out. Anticipate this and you still get in some free damage.

hahaha yea i can understand if you play ryoko......yea they made zelda ridiculous in this game...

 

[Emblem Lord]

At certain percents you can't hit her if she hits you with it. Also it depends if it's diminshed or not.

 

[GodAtHand]

sometimes the best way to deal with a d-tilt combo is to figure out a move that hits her before she connects with the next d-tilt, but with Ike or any slow/er character that might be difficult.

Sorry about being a jerk, but I thought you were just being a jerk in the first place ^_^

 

[Rykoshet]

It's like complaining that ike is dumb because when you connect a jab it's free damage.
Or that marth is dumb because if you land the first hit of sword dance the other 3 are usually free.
If you have an issue with getting d-tilted, don't get dtilted. I hate it too (hate sheik's ftilt more) but QQ more, seriously. Ryoko's zelda is rough, but if you're sitting here complaining about it and not his sheik then you're out of your **** mind.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Are you comparing the d-tilt lock to a jab combo?

Dude.

No.

Just no.

 

[Ztarfish]

Zelda, love her or leave her!
**** communist.

 

[GodAtHand]

Get someone to training mode with you, have them only d-tilt combo and try out all Ike's moves to see what could stop it. Maybe an up-b would work since he gets all invincible?

 

[S2]

Learn to DI TC.

Don't come to our board to start a flame war, when you named off how to escape d-tilt lock in your first post.


If there's a mod, please close this. Nothing good will come from this topic and these things have already been discussed civally in other threads.

 

[Emblem Lord]

I play Marth.

Marth's up b is invincible on start-up.

If there is even 1 frame where he isn't stunned he can get out of anything.

I could not up b.

Maybe more testing is needed, but it's still silly.

Edit: LOL! I asked Ryoko's permission before I made this.

He approves of this thread.

I got connections son.

But yeah go ahead and lock it mods. My point is still valid.

 

[Rykoshet]

Are you comparing the d-tilt lock to a jab combo?

Dude.

No.

Just no.

Considering I can cancel the initial jab into yet another jab, or cancel any of the jabs into...
A) Front tilt (KO move)
B) Up tilt (KO Move)
C) Down tilt (KO Move)
D) Down smash (KO move)
E) Grabs which lead into
F) Aerials (KO Moves)

Uh, yes. It's an essential part of ike's gameplay but the bottom line is that once you connect one the other person is pretty much a sitting duck depending on how they DI or when/where they block. And before you say half of those don't work, they do and mixing it up will generally give you a ton of options all by pressing A once. Getting flat out locked by dtilt is a coin toss to begin with, and when you do get locked you have to worry about...

A) Front tilt (KO move at what, 130?)
B) Up tilt (KO move at like 117ish)
C) Down tilt (because it locks, huzzah)
D) Down smash (KO Move)
E) Up Smash (KO move depending on use but if theyre using it to stuff front airs then negation will cause this to be somewhere more around the lines of 145ish)

Big deal, cry harder.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

Can you smash DI out of it up and to the side? I would love to test this but the only good Zelda i've played is only and timing a good smash DI on anything with lag is a big ****ing pain.

If u can DI up and out as opposed to out then maybe you wont go at some crazy ****ing angle from the following down smash.

Overall Zelda is a good character with potential, i don't think she's been classifired as "OP'd"
or "Broken" yet?

 

[Emblem Lord]

The jab doesn't cancel into jack ****. It's not gauranteed. It's more of a mindgame.

Also Ike sucks. Zelda is actually good.

 

[Rykoshet]

Technically the dtilt has to actually get you off your feet to be guaranteed too, which doesn't happen 100% of the time.

And I'd cry about your assessment of the characters' potential but really you're just trolling to begin with so whatever really.

 

[Tsuteto]

You hold back, and after a d-tilt you JUMP to give yourself room away from any following smash attack (typically dsmash). Does that help or are you going to ignore that and continue to whine about your incompetence? Hell, maybe I'll even get a video with both Marth and Ike for you so you can see that d-tilt, while good, is not THAT good.

 

[Geist]

D-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt to d-tilt then DI properlyU-smash Shield grab/space smashes.

Free 60% 10% damage for you.

If they Smash DI away do a d-smash and they will go at a sharp angle and die airdodge.

Zelda is ******** mid/ lowtier at best.

Fix'd it for you.

 

[Emblem Lord]

It's percent dependent. I already stated this.

Holding back won't do much. Better to Smash DI. Either way though she still gets free damage and gets to regenerate her moves. All you did was make it so she has to end the d-tilt chain sooner.

And yeah I'm trolling.

For once. I can see why people do it.

It's fun. Especially when you know what your talking about.

Ike doesn't compare to Zelda BTW.

She is leagues ahead of him.

Edit: Even when you know how to DI or escape she will still get around oh say 25% more or less. Which is quite a bit.

 

[Ztarfish]

Why is everyone vigorously defending the idea that Zelda sucks
If he's telling you she's ******** because she's good, don't say "Lolz NO she SUCKZ cuz lol DI"

I don't get it.

 

[Emblem Lord]

I like you.

You have a brain.

Also, I'm doing this for the lulz.

 

[Rykoshet]

To troll successfully you'd need the other guy to be lashing out wildly in response.

Ike's pure PPK is 15/16, with a tilt added it's around 20/23ish. Fkn overpowered jab.

 

[Ztarfish]

I like you.

You have a brain.

Also, I'm doing this for the lulz.

Psh, Oh stop it. You flatter me.

 

[Magus420]

Since you can SDI using either stick now, use the c-stick to do the SDI away so you can still hold up/slightly towards on the control to DI well if you get d-smashed.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Shhhh.

Magus.

Shut up.

Let me have my fun man. T_T

 

[Geist]

Why is everyone vigorously defending the idea that Zelda sucks
If he's telling you she's ******** because she's good, don't say "Lolz NO she SUCKZ cuz lol DI"

I don't get it.

Zelda doesn't suck, but she has some bad traits that make her weak against higher tier characters. I d-tilted people for the first while when brawl was out, but then they found out a way to counter it.

At least she's alot better than melee Zelda ._.
I think anything is better than melee Zelda.

 

[Emblem Lord]

DrgSupergogeta: magus runied it
RyokoYaksa: he posted..?
DrgSupergogeta: good thinking though..wasnt sure if double stick DI still existed
DrgSupergogeta: he did
DrgSupergogeta: this thread was so epic
DrgSupergogeta: i got to demolish people
DrgSupergogeta: and i got a way to deal with that stupid lock
DrgSupergogeta: this was a good idea


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

[Ztarfish]

Zelda doesn't suck, but she has some bad traits that make her weak against higher tier characters. I d-tilted people for the first while when brawl was out, but then they found out a way to counter it.

At least she's alot better than melee Zelda ._.
I think anything is better than melee Zelda.

This is true, but what I'm saying is this is akin to someone giving you a compliment and then you, in an angry rage, presenting "factual" information to why that person is oh so very wrong.

Just doesn't make sense.

 

[Emblem Lord]

D-tilt is awesome.

Zelda's d-tilt >>>>>>> all other d-tilts IMO.

Cept MAYBE MK's.

Maybe.

 

[Geist]

DrgSupergogeta: magus runied it
RyokoYaksa: he posted..?
DrgSupergogeta: good thinking though..wasnt sure if double stick DI still existed
DrgSupergogeta: he did
DrgSupergogeta: this thread was so epic
DrgSupergogeta: i got to demolish people
DrgSupergogeta: and i got a way to deal with that stupid lock
DrgSupergogeta: this was a good idea


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

lmao.

This is true, but what I'm saying is this is akin to someone giving you a compliment and then you, in an angry rage, presenting "factual" information to why that person is oh so very wrong.

Just doesn't make sense.

My rage wasn't that angry. It was awkward and with the aftertaste of lethargy.
and I did it because I'm on my thursday night posting spree? ._.

I think I'm up to around 30.

 

[Emblem Lord]

I mean.

Zelda STILL gets free damage off of d-tilt so..yeah.

Anyway, I'm done here. I'll try other **** when I play Ryoko.

I have had my fun.

Silly Zelda boards.

You are all so uptight and defensive.

What's wrong? Don't want your princess to be broken?

Too late. hahaha.

 

[sFoster]

Ryoko is good, and dtilt is a nice move but w/e
Also Zelda is the most powerful character in the game.

You'll get hit by her DTILT AND ****IT YOU WILL LIKE IT

 

[Iris]

If she's ******** then that whole triforce of wisdom idea would be a bad choice. D:

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

You know, marth is not only better than zelda, he's also one of her worst, if not her worst matchup... so why are you complaining?