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[Swiss]

Your Plan to find out if X1 was lying or not was actually really scummy.

What plan? I did loads of things yesterDay, and don't remember most of them.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DH, what's your address? I have a ups guy here and a box of crackers with your name on it.

*points to location*

 

[BSL]

What plan? I did loads of things yesterDay, and don't remember most of them.

The one where you said that X1 should be lynched first. Here is an indirect quote:

"lynch X1 first, and if he is telling the truth, THEN lynch me."

Which is the opposite of what you should do.

DH, mobilesite doesn't show location. XD

 

[Swiss]

Yup, that was pretty darned scummy.

Now factor in I knew X1 was bull****ting and looking for reads and KABLAMMO ya got yourself one pro town Swiss playing along. Roughly six of my posts later I said everything I'd done up to that point was playing up to it. (I AM smart enough to not get put myself at L-1 early D1).

X1 then decided to go Rambo and throw me off guard with his LOL U FINK I JOKE BUT I DONT U SCUM BRO LETS SIDETRACK DA DAY. I begrudgingly admit it didn't fail.

So basically me acting scummy was in itself the townie thing to do.

God if I were scum pretending not to be scum with a guilty on my head and so pretending to be scummy and as such townie.....

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DH, mobilesite doesn't show location. XD

Fine.

Tell the UPS guy to go to the matrix.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

So I'm going to take X1's "drop it" as an unconditional "I was lying". >.> I don't like what he did at all, but I can't say it didn't produce good results. If this really was faked from (basically) the start, then I'm quite certain both Swiss and X1 are town at this point. If they were both in on it from the beginning, they would have told their scumbuddies not to let themselves get trapped by it and lead to an unnecessary mafia death. You could argue they were WIFOMing (especially since Kuz was only a goon), but it's almost strictly better to just pull their scumbuddies out of the way and let X1/Swiss make their own conclusions on other townies and mislynch them. I can't say the same for Gheb, since he claims to have gotten to the party late, but I think the way he handled it was quite town, and I've been getting general townie vibes from him anyway, so I'm willing to look the other way on these 3 for toDay.

Bed in light of this 'super secret plan' how do you feel your play compares to other players?

Well, obviously not great since I attempted to push a lynch based on a faked claim and unknowingly defended scum from getting lynched, lol. Me and Sword are sort of in the same boat when it comes to that.

It implies two things:

1. You're lurking so attention will not try to be raised at you.
2. You're acting in the mafia QT

So any person who goes inactive/isn't there for a short period at the beginning of the day is autoscum?

Do I even need to explain how flawed that logic is?

You also said that this day couldn't end without a swiss lynch.

...Because I thought he was scum. What are you getting at?

How could you make that mistake, as it was painfully obvious he was scum?

No, I don't think townies would make that mistake.

Sword made the exact same mistake I did. Do you think he's scum? Why aren't you pressuring him?

And no, it wasn't painfully obvious, at least not to me (or Sword apparently). Townies CAN get bad reads, you know.

What's my town play?
What's my scum play?
What's my indy play?

I'll meta you later along with Sword.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I'll get to bed post in the morning.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

So any person who goes inactive/isn't there for a short period at the beginning of the day is autoscum?

"For a short time" Is an understatement. You hadn't posted until well into D1, and had never announced things like V/La. That, IMO, is scum lurking.

Do I even need to explain how flawed that logic is?

Yes, because appeal to ridicule doesn't help your case.

...Because I thought he was scum. What are you getting at?

Him and only him, if I recall correctly.

Sword made the exact same mistake I did. Do you think he's scum? Why aren't you pressuring him?

I'm not pressuring him because he hasn't been as scummy as you. If I make a case against him, I might bring it up.

I'll meta you later along with Sword.

Wait, so you haven't meta'd me yet, yet you say I'm scum because this isnt my meta.

Your argument has more holes than Swiss. I'm certain you're scum.

Unvote, Vote: Bed

 

[BSL]

DH, you keep throwing around "appeal to XXX". stop. honestly, you do it like 500x more than everyone else. it loses its credibility.

DH, the boy who cried appeal.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

"For a short time" Is an understatement. You hadn't posted until well into D1, and had never announced things like V/La. That, IMO, is scum lurking.

...

The first annual Youtube Memes Hall of Fame.

This was the first post of the Day, posted at 3:46PM.

So I'm just gonna hide in this corner while the rest of the game explodes around me.

*hides*

This is the first post I made D1.

Posted at 5:22PM

A WHOLE

AND VERY LARGE

2 hours into the game.

*facepalm*

Him and only him, if I recall correctly.

...Yes.

I was tunneling Swiss.

I've already admitted to that.

Is that all you want from me?

Wait, so you haven't meta'd me yet, yet you say I'm scum because this isnt my meta.

I never said you were scummy nor scum (quote me). I remembered reading one of your first games here (when you were town) and thinking you were a lot less aggressive than you've been this game, but I realize now that that could just be that you've adopted a new style (I haven't been paying attention to recent games you've been in), or even that I remember you wrong.

I'm not pressuring him because he hasn't been as scummy as you. If I make a case against him, I might bring it up.

Your entire case on me consists of "Bed was lurking for 2 hours at the start of D1, he was tunneling Swiss which is scummy because muffins, and he doesn't like me". If that's what you consider scummy, I'm pretty sure you just FOS'd, voted, and hammered almost everyone else in the game.

What are you doing.

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ugh, realizing all my reads are gut/meta reads

will reread tomorrow

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

...This was the first post of the Day, posted at 3:46PM.

I don't count that as a sign of "really posting", more of a dodge/something that provides nothing to offer. Thus, I didnt count that when I said you were inactive.

In addition, you had sometimes gone inactive for a couple of days in random moments.

...Yes.

I was tunneling Swiss.

I've already admitted to that.

Is that all you want from me?

Interesting *scribbles down on notepad*

No, ive got more I have to ask you.

Your entire case on me consists of "Bed was lurking for 2 hours at the start of D1, he was tunneling Swiss which is scummy because muffins, and he doesn't like me". If that's what you consider scummy, I'm pretty sure you just FOS'd, voted, and hammered almost everyone else in the game.

Lol Strawmanning...

I struck first. I was notOMGUS-ing.

Tunneling is taken as scum by mostly everyone, and people who tunnel have been lynched and flipped scum.

According to my definition above, you had been lurking for more than 2 hours.

I'm going to Unvote for now, this could turn out interesting.

@BSL ad homenim user

What are you doing.

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ugh, realizing all my reads are gut/meta reads

will reread tomorrow[/QUOTE]

 

[KevinM]

That's a rather nice backdoown right there.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

EBWOP; Two things;

1. Ignore the part under the line for my last post.

2. BSL, saying "just stop" doesn't help your case at all FYI.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kevin, is that really all you have to say?

I am dissapoint

 

[BSL]

It wasn't supposed to help my case. You're just starting to annoy me.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Learn to cope with it. You'll have to hear it over an over again.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

I don't count that as a sign of "really posting", more of a dodge/something that provides nothing to offer. Thus, I didnt count that when I said you were inactive.

Fine, here's me trying to understand what the hell was going on, a half hour after my post:

I can't tell if this is RVS or not. ;-;

X1, why did you say you didn't have time to breadcrumb?

And here's me trying to control the situation, a half hour after that:

OK, just making sure you're serious.

Swiss is at L-1 I'm pretty sure. At least 2 people unvote, please.

kuz, are you also serious about your claim, or were you just joking?

In addition, you had sometimes gone inactive for a couple of days in random moments.

Being inactive (random or otherwise) is not necessarily indicative of scumminess. My RL is a bit hectic, so I can't be certain when I'm going to have time to devote to mafia. That's just how it is.

I struck first. I was notOMGUS-ing.

I never accused you of such.

Tunneling is taken as scum by mostly everyone, and people who tunnel have been lynched and flipped scum.

Tunneling is not necessarily indicative of scumminess. Tunneling someone only means that your focus is on them, and for a reason; I thought Swiss was scum, and was waiting for him to slip up. Your personal experience with this isn't relevant.

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i think sleep is in order

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Being inactive (random or otherwise) is not necessarily indicative of scumminess. My RL is a bit hectic, so I can't be certain when I'm going to have time to devote to mafia. That's just how it is.

Okay, better John than Kevin...

I never accused you of such.

You somewhat did, as you said one of the reasons why I was voting you was because because you didn't like me.

 

[KevinM]

Are you taking random shots at me because I said your backdown was scummy? You continue to say I have johns about my play though when I haven't excused anything.

However making a post full of empty ideas and then saying just realized all my reads are gut meta have to reread

is what I like to call a stall tactic.

 

[X1-12]

you guys are so silly...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

can't believe wut i hat 2 read -.-

liek i have 2 read thru huge posts jus 2 c that theyre full o' generic accusations. meanwhile weve got liek teh strongest connection in liek forever n guys don' c it? cant b srs guys. specially since u still fail 2 c y x1 is town in mah eyez ...

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Are you taking random shots at me because I said your backdown was scummy?

No, it's because that's the only thing you said after several pages had appears since you last posted.

You continue to say I have johns about my play though when I haven't excused anything.

Alright then, why were you so inactive?

 

[X1-12]

up my bum, this game is going mad as hell

So I'm going to take X1's "drop it" as an unconditional "I was lying". >.> I don't like what he did at all, but I can't say it didn't produce good results. If this really was faked from (basically) the start, then I'm quite certain both Swiss and X1 are town at this point. If they were both in on it from the beginning, they would have told their scumbuddies not to let themselves get trapped by it and lead to an unnecessary mafia death. You could argue they were WIFOMing (especially since Kuz was only a goon), but it's almost strictly better to just pull their scumbuddies out of the way and let X1/Swiss make their own conclusions on other townies and mislynch them. I can't say the same for Gheb, since he claims to have gotten to the party late, but I think the way he handled it was quite town, and I've been getting general townie vibes from him anyway, so I'm willing to look the other way on these 3 for toDay.

So much wrong in this post, I told Nabe to 'drop it' to mean, stop going on about this 'plan' and play the actual game. I even intentionally quoted the bit where asked me to confess to a lie if I was lying and I didn't say anything. Why are you so damn quick to assume it was a lie despite given several opportunities to confess such and not taking them?

@DH: When someone has a guilty on them, do you really think its scummy to tunnel them?

ngl Seeing Swiss' death would help read Sir B. Some of the things he said looked like Swiss asked him too so he could pull it up later i.e "Why did you say you didn't have time to breadcrumb?"

 

[Swiss]

If I asked him to say that, and are hence his scumbuddy or in a masonry with him - why did I not tell him how to play the day without attracting negative attention toward himself?

I asked him to say something small, and then didn't guide him through the important part? No.

 

[Swiss]

It irritates me to see so much information available to us and people making ******** inferences from it.

 

[X1-12]

It irritates me to see so much information available to us and people making ******** inferences from it.

 

[Swiss]

Hahahahaha

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, yeah, I said I was going to pull some quotes up, but actually there is only a few to pull up, but that actually kinda goes to prove my point in a way. You'll all see.

Anyways, as stated earlier, I think Swiss is likely to be scum because of connections he had with Kuz. Kuz treated everyone *but* Swiss the same. That is, someone attacks him, and he attacks them right back for doing so, accusing them of being scum. Look at the conversations he had with BSL and DH. They attacked him, and OMG they're instant scum. He seemed to primiarly focus on the people who attacked (not completly true, of course, this is more so just a general observation).

Examples:

168
481
454
476

and probably some more, but you guys get the point


Now let me bring everyones attention to his 173:

Did I? *goes and checks* Well it seems I did.

That post took me awhile to construct, I did not refresh the page before posting.

I already stated that I though x1 is town, he is just using stupid methods to scum hunt.

As for you swiss...how you responded to x1's claim at first was a total omgus, but now that you have explained your reasoning I feel I can agree with your methods (they mirror mine :3). I feel like you are playing your normal townie game. I scum swiss would never have let himself be taken to L-1

However, according to rule #2: swiss is always scum, so...

I bring this up because it was literally the only quote where Kuz directly addressed Swiss that I could find. This was after Swiss pointed out to Kuz that he parroted him (169). Swiss later attacked Kuz in his 462, but Kuz never responded to any of those. Also note two imporant things:

1. Whenever Swiss did attack Kuz, he grouped him together with other people he found suspicious. No post of Swiss that I could find ("could find" is important here, I'll admit that I skimmed any parts where Kuz was inactive. Didn't feel like reading all of Swiss's post. >.> Feel free to point out anything I missed).
2. Swiss wasn't on Kuz's wagon, instead making a post where he voted him after he already was hammered. Looks like he was trying some last minute distancing from Kuz.

Altogether, this definitly makes t all look like it was a prime example of a bus.

Now, all of that said, I was reminded of something very fundermental while rereading that does actually make me feel a bit better about Swiss:

Kuz is scum. He knows Swiss is town. Or atleast not scum. What he sees is a perfect opportunity to seem town by claiming that Swiss looks like he is playing his typical townie play. This way, he can say "I told you so" when Swiss is lynched toDay (if that Shappens), and then push an X1 lynch tomorrow. Getting two townies. Then he can hold the fact that some of us voted for Swiss over our heads for the rest of the game.

I really need to start taking notes or something, but I after rereading this, I was reminded of one of the very basic reasons why I and others thought Kuz to be scummy: his knowledge of player alignments. Him instantly knowing that Swiss was town does actually make Swiss look better. Still don't like how he ignored Swiss throughout this game, and the possibility that he was just flat out defending his scum buddy and still there, but overal, +1 town point for Swiss.
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Sword, the only point against me is that Kuz defended me when it looked like I'd be lynched. This has scum implications for him and is hence one of the reasons why we lynched him, it doesn't have scum implications for me. Never seen a scum defend a town before? You come out of that **** GLOWING townie. I pulled it in my first, second AND third scum games, twice doing it D1 iirc.

Unless of course you think I'd be dumb enough to not tell my scum buddies about X1's gambit. In which case feel free to push my lynch and watch me lynch Kevin anyway.

You defended me when I was accused in Newbie Mafia 6. I believed you.

Anyways though, read above for my further reasoning. It's not just that Kuz defended you, it's the fact that he didn't really defend anyone else (unless you count X1, since he said he was town). Also the wierd interactions (when they occured) you two had that I don't think well of.

Now, it is true that a scum you would probably tell Kuz not to do what he did, but I don't think that really means much. Kuz DID seem to know about X1's gambit, which would explain why he said both you and X1 were town. I don't see how knowledge of X1's gambit would lead to him not slipping up and defending you (unless what you're saying is that you would of told him not to defend you).

There are so many possible reasons why Kuz would of defended you, that I can't just use the reasoning of "I would of told my scum buddy not to do this" to excuse the connections between you two. You could say that about anything. "I would of told my scum buddy to do x" or " I would of told my scum buddy not to do x". No. You're not a perfect player, no one is. You can't see into the furture, and you couldn't of known that things would of wound up this way. At the time, you could of thought that that was happening was for the good of things. Or, even more simple, Kuz could of just been playing poorly.

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What would you think if I told you that chainsaw defence only applies if the one being defended flips scum. Would your opinion of Swiss change?

If Swiss is your biggest suspect why did you not vote for him now?

-> will you vote Swiss now?

What do you think about how Kevin has the exact same scumpicks as you?

1. Well, catching a chainsaw defence from someone after a flip I think is legit anyway. However, even if there really was no chainsaw defence, I would still be suspicious of Swiss either way, for reasons listed above.

Btw, was this a hypothetical question, or are you really saying that this wasn't a chainsaw defence?

2 & 3. I didn't vote for him recently because he was at l_2, and I did not want to put him at l_1. I will not vote him now, either, because I don't feel that I really needs to be on the wagon. Swiss and everyone else knows where I'm coming from, no need to waste my vote on it.

4. Yeah, I saw that, but it was just kind of in the back of my head until just now. I definitly think it's odd, and so is the general way he has been playing this game. Thinking of it from a scum KevinM PoV, he could just be paroting my reads, and possibly buddying me. However, since I think others are scum at this point, I do not feel the need to pursue KevinM too much.

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Going to lunch now, will post other thoughts about this game so far laterish.

Sorry for making a long post Gheb. Just want the air to be as clear as possible with my feelings towards Swiss.

 

[Swiss]

/facepalm

K. Watch and learn kids.

1. Whenever Swiss did attack Kuz, he grouped him together with other people he found suspicious. No post of Swiss that I could find ("could find" is important here, I'll admit that I skimmed any parts where Kuz was inactive. Didn't feel like reading all of Swiss's post. >.> Feel free to point out anything I missed).

I'm only going into this briefly, and am using the first examples I find, they may not be the most appropriate.

I only 'grouped' Kuz in the sense that I mentioned my other scum picks in the same post. If you feel I should make a new post for each scum pick then elaborate an explain, highlighting why you are not making a ridiculously null point. /irritated troll paragraph (but srsly)

After you've done this, refer yourself to post #169 where I drew attention to the link between us as he parroted me. Question whether I, as Swiss scum knowing Kuz was my buddy, would bus him on a point which would implicate myself as opposed to any other I could have got him to say.


Next take yourself to post #176 where I call out Kuz for knowledge he probably shouldn't have. Note no other player had thought of this - so I wasn't just 'wagoning' Kuz, I'd have been actively destroying my scumbuddy D1 with a flip that I would already have known would implicate myself. Remind yourself that I did not 'group' this post with anything else, not that the point was anything other than null anyway.

2. Swiss wasn't on Kuz's wagon, instead making a post where he voted him after he already was hammered. Looks like he was trying some last minute distancing from Kuz.

I was not on the final wagon, correct. However I was firmly set on his lynch. Why would I throw away pro-town points by not being on my buddies wagon? He was clearly going to be lynched. You have either accidentally or deliberately put an anti-town spin on my actions. I wasn't on the wagon and hence am scummy, but then when I did ensure a lynch had happened, I'm scummy for distancing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Also remind yourself of this post

Swords what do you think of Kuz himself? Not just his wagon. Why do you feel his actions have been null? (I know you've been skimming, but like srs?). A quick read through the thread will show you where people picked up on him.

I'd be more pro-active with your Swiss lynch if I were you. Not gonna happen otherwise. Work on Acrostic, then convince X1 to hammer me. That should work.

I'm going out in a few hours and will not be online again before the deadline. (I actually may be, but I doubt I'll be able to focus on the keyboard, lol). Plenty of people online to hammer, right? Good.

I stated I was going out, I saw no need to place the vote/hammer when there were 3/4 other people online and loads of hours left 'till deadline. When I came back I was clearly drunk. I don't remember making either of those posts, but I had an important conversation with Gord, apparently. Lol.



Like you say, I defended you in Newbie 6. Why? Because upon your lynch I look better. Now look at what Kuz did straight after I'd reached L-1 within hours of the game starting. Who did it look like would be lynched? Me. He was only interested in defending me when he'd gain credit from my flip. As for why he then didn't defend other people who were going to be lynched. Well, apart from Kevin, Kuz then became the only other player going to be lynched. At this stage we see little from Kuz, he does NOT defend me or try to stall those pushing for lynch, he does NOT call out people attacking me, instead he then focuses on protecting himself, makes a brief reference to Kev's wagon being 'pointless' and pushes 'deadweight' (Kev's term for the phrase, interestingly) players such as DH.



Swords, you say you aren't actively pushing Kevin at the moment. What do you think about his plan to lynch me and then lynch X1 'no alternatives' if I were to flip town? What do you think about his reasoning of 'information' from my flip yet his repeated failure to give any actual content to back this up?


We ARE lynching Kevin toDay.

 

[KevinM]

It's a fairly weak statement to say yeah I wasn't on his wagon but he was one of my lynch choices.

Also you continue to say you want to lynch me under the basis of lynch the guilty from the cop whom I believed to be telling the truth.

Fairly solid logic dawg >_>.

 

[Swiss]

That's not my only reason, though.

In fact if you had read my posts you'd know I'm pushing for you using the generic 'information' excuse for my lynch and failing to substantiate it. I am also pushing you failing to recognise the possibility X1 may be lying or misguided.

If my reason were what you believed it was, why are you not questioning me not pushing Bed so hard and rather only you?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

/facepalm

K. Watch and learn kids.



I'm only going into this briefly, and am using the first examples I find, they may not be the most appropriate.

I only 'grouped' Kuz in the sense that I mentioned my other scum picks in the same post. If you feel I should make a new post for each scum pick then elaborate an explain, highlighting why you are not making a ridiculously null point. /irritated troll paragraph (but srsly)

This is so different compared to the way you've been treating everyone else so far. You HAVE been pressuring everyone in general this game. Kuz is pretty much the only person who only ever got mentioned along with others.

After you've done this, refer yourself to post #169 where I drew attention to the link between us as he parroted me. Question whether I, as Swiss scum knowing Kuz was my buddy, would bus him on a point which would implicate myself as opposed to any other I could have got him to say.

I saw that, and it was kind of lame. It looks like to me that you were simply pointing out, not reallly accusing him of anything.

Next take yourself to post #176 where I call out Kuz for knowledge he probably shouldn't have. Note no other player had thought of this - so I wasn't just 'wagoning' Kuz, I'd have been actively destroying my scumbuddy D1 with a flip that I would already have known would implicate myself. Remind yourself that I did not 'group' this post with anything else, not that the point was anything other than null anyway.

Did you ever pursue it, though? Serious question, I looked at it but did not look to see if you did. >.>

I was not on the final wagon, correct. However I was firmly set on his lynch. Why would I throw away pro-town points by not being on my buddies wagon? He was clearly going to be lynched. You have either accidentally or deliberately put an anti-town spin on my actions. I wasn't on the wagon and hence am scummy, but then when I did ensure a lynch had happened, I'm scummy for distancing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Also remind yourself of this post



I stated I was going out, I saw no need to place the vote/hammer when there were 3/4 other people online and loads of hours left 'till deadline. When I came back I was clearly drunk. I don't remember making either of those posts, but I had an important conversation with Gord, apparently. Lol.

It's really the content of your post lynch posts that bother me. I read a lot of it as you reminding everyone, loudly, that you were in support of the Kuz lynch. Seems unneccessary. Kind of a lame point, I know, but still enough to +0.5 to your scum points.

Like you say, I defended you in Newbie 6. Why? Because upon your lynch I look better. Now look at what Kuz did straight after I'd reached L-1 within hours of the game starting. Who did it look like would be lynched? Me. He was only interested in defending me when he'd gain credit from my flip. As for why he then didn't defend other people who were going to be lynched. Well, apart from Kevin, Kuz then became the only other player going to be lynched. At this stage we see little from Kuz, he does NOT defend me or try to stall those pushing for lynch, he does NOT call out people attacking me, instead he then focuses on protecting himself, makes a brief reference to Kev's wagon being 'pointless' and pushes 'deadweight' (Kev's term for the phrase, interestingly) players such as DH.

Okay, fair enough, I can see this being the case. However, you sure do know a lot about what Kuz's intentions were. Are you so sure about all of this Swiss? Do you really think Kuz was clever enough to think of this stratagy?

Swords, you say you aren't actively pushing Kevin at the moment. What do you think about his plan to lynch me and then lynch X1 'no alternatives' if I were to flip town? What do you think about his reasoning of 'information' from my flip yet his repeated failure to give any actual content to back this up?

Kind of agree with him on the lynch you part, but not so sure anymore on the auto lynch X1 part. I use to think the same way, but not anymore. X1's play from either a town or scum PoV doesn't make sense. I mean I suppose you could say he was doing it for the reads that it brought him, but even then it seems way too bold and risky for a town X1, and it's DEFINITLY way to bold for a scum X1. We can't just auto-lynch him, and I definitly disagree with him on that.

As for his lack of information giving, well, I actually don't think it's super scummy. KevinM is known for always being really obscure about his claims. It's still scummy of him, no doubt, but I don't think it makes him instant scum.

We ARE lynching Kevin toDay.

maybe

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Swiss, semi-random question, but what do you think of DH this game?

 

[Swiss]

Quick few notes (mad busy soz)

I didn't follow up the 'point', it's more of a rhetorical question. He didn't justify it, hence he got lynched.


Point 2 is wtf, I still drew attention to what is the 'scum point' but w/e

Point 3 makes no sense, I was totally smashed and always post entirely in caps. After that I've been pointing out by necessity I wanted Kuz lycnhed because people seem to think he implicates me.


Kuxz scum Swiss town. I know this thus >>only one possible inference of his motives. Note how he stopped defending me after he no longer gained from it.


Clarify Kev's lac of content and reasonin, you skipped that main scummy part.

DH is town by default.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Quick few notes (mad busy soz)

I didn't follow up the 'point', it's more of a rhetorical question. He didn't justify it, hence he got lynched.


Point 2 is wtf, I still drew attention to what is the 'scum point' but w/e

Point 3 makes no sense, I was totally smashed and always post entirely in caps. After that I've been pointing out by necessity I wanted Kuz lycnhed because people seem to think he implicates me.


Kuxz scum Swiss town. I know this thus >>only one possible inference of his motives. Note how he stopped defending me after he no longer gained from it.


Clarify Kev's lac of content and reasonin, you skipped that main scummy part.

DH is town by default.

1. Why didn't you push for his lynch more then? You were always more focused on others, but not him, even though that was a pretty good catch against him.

2. The lamness of it kind of makes it look like a bus. Scum doesn't always have to have a reason to bus thier partners to bus them. Sometimes scum will do it out of nowhere as an "insurance" policy.

3. No no no no, I wasn't accusing you of posting in all caps, lol. If you're referring to the part where I said loudly, I was more so referring to you trying to make clear that you were anti-Kuz after the fact.

4. Again, do you really think that Kuz was clever enough to pull a tecnique off like that?

5.

As for his lack of information giving, well, I actually don't think it's super scummy. KevinM is known for always being really obscure about his claims. It's still scummy of him, no doubt, but I don't think it makes him instant scum.

^This was it. I would normally think that KevinM is doing it super scummy, but it's well established that he always plays like this, so that's why I'm not super-paranoid about it.

6. agreed

 

[Swiss]

1. Why not more? Why not less? I pushed the same amount as I pushed for Kev. They're both scum to me. I pushed for them them above everyone else, I spent the rest of my time questioning other people. I was in a unique position, the same as X1, where we had more to talk about than others. Like to bed about his terribad plan and Kev's refusal to give reasoning,

2. I don't get what you mean then. I drew attention to a link which no-one else has noticed which can be made to look bad for me? Isn't that just fantastically bad scum play?

3. Oh. lol. By necessity, considering the pressure on me. I WILL say why what I did was pro town.

4. Clever enough? He defended a townie he thought would get lynched. Why does everyone think this is genius?

5. K..but he said we get 'information' but COULDN'T back it up...why? He can't do that every game, surely.


lol@busybutmafiaistoomuchfun



^ Clarify if I skimmed anything too much, soz.

 

[KevinM]

I don't need to back up information.

I think its fairly clear that by lynching the person whom a cop said we had a guilty on after multiple days of discussion was the best idea possible.

When it was clear he was lying I backed off the idea of lynch one and see where we stand.

Seems a fairly conservative play to me, I will gladly play follow the cop when it was laid out before me.

As for the "Information" as you so like to put in quotes, it would have been easy to discern who was just for following the cop, who had other reasons for their votes, why people were trying to lynch others etc depending on your flip scum or town.

Thankfully the scum super chainsaw'd for us and now you're trying to get my lynched based on a rather baseless accusation.

Feeling rather comfortable with this game don't really feel like you trying to snake a lynch based on some of the worst logic I've seen in months (not like that says anything considering I haven't joined anything in quite some time).

On a side note, I still have no solid read on Bed and just want him lynched because I feel he isn't comprehending anything and will be a detriment to town should this game get into Lylo/Mylo so he's rather low on my poop list.

Also what is your reasoning for marking DH as town by default?

Gheb: Do you think Nabe's push clears him as town because he tried hard and he isn't good enough to make a scum case as scum or because you have other inklings of him? I am not asking you to go into detail there.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Okay.

Swiss, Kev: Your read on Sword?

Bed, Gova, DH: what do you think about X1's refusal to admit a lie? Coupled with his play toDay, do you think this implies that his claim is the truth? What do you think of Swiss/Kev interactions toDay, as well as Swiss/Sword overall?

Gheb: Please make a post that doesn't state that X1 is town in any way. Something with content preferably, which you've been lacking, but I'm largely wondering if you don't have a really bizarre post restriction, since you keep bringing up X1's townieness entirely unprovoked.

X1: Your thoughts on Gheb? Covering D2 at least. Also, if you don't admit a lie, then do you maintain that you have a guilty on Swiss?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@DH: When someone has a guilty on them, do you really think its scummy to tunnel them?

Yes I do. Escpecially since (if i remember correctly) bed started tunneling after your "even cop, but i'm investigating tonight" lie.

Bed, Gova, DH: what do you think about X1's refusal to admit a lie?

He's stubborn like that

Coupled with his play toDay, do you think this implies that his claim is the truth?

No. He's lied before, and his "I would fake a guilty" reeks of scum. In fact, I think it implies the exact opposite: Swiss is town, picked by maf to be the n0 cop target, while X1 is scum trying to fake an N0 target on a townie, such as swiss.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

DH, why would a scum X1 do what he did, if he would of just been lynched toMarrow. Pretty big point here to address.

1. Why not more? Why not less? I pushed the same amount as I pushed for Kev. They're both scum to me. I pushed for them them above everyone else, I spent the rest of my time questioning other people. I was in a unique position, the same as X1, where we had more to talk about than others. Like to bed about his terribad plan and Kev's refusal to give reasoning,

2. I don't get what you mean then. I drew attention to a link which no-one else has noticed which can be made to look bad for me? Isn't that just fantastically bad scum play?

3. Oh. lol. By necessity, considering the pressure on me. I WILL say why what I did was pro town.

4. Clever enough? He defended a townie he thought would get lynched. Why does everyone think this is genius?

5. K..but he said we get 'information' but COULDN'T back it up...why? He can't do that every game, surely.

1 Not really. Yes, I can understand you being caught up with the situation with X1, but you still generally got around to everyone else. You caught him on something, yes, that's good. It was a really good catch, though, and I kind of having a hard time buying that you didn't go after him harder.

Someone probably was going to catch him on it, might as well of been you.

2. I mean it looks like you were bussing a scum partner, so you could later say that you attacked incase he flipped.

3. K, don't think I can extend on this point anymore.

4. He's a new player, but okay. Do you think that this still excuses the chainsaw defence he pulled on you, though? Defending you is one thing, but attacking those who attacked you?

^Semi-rehtorical question. Feel free to answer it, but I kinda already know how you're going to answer it, and it all comes down to wether or not I believe that.

5. K, yeah, that's wierd. Did he actually say he "couldn't " back the information up? I can't seem to find it.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DH, why would a scum X1 do what he did, if he would of just been lynched toMarrow. Pretty big point here to address.

I don't know why (possibly to end the day early, so people can't produce leads on scumbuddies), but do you know why a town X1 would do that? The only possible reason that I can think of is to get us RVS, but keeping on until D2 would be a bit overkill. In addition, if he were doing this for reads, he probably would already have had them by the time he said to drop it.

He could also b WIFOMing, thinking you would think like that so he would seem more town.