You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[FalKoopa]

I mean, he killed her father, Hector, so it's logical she'd be the one to take Narshen's life.

Narshen killed Hector? I don't remember Narshen being in that scene at all.

 

[Diddy Kong]

'I'll annihalate you, just like I did with Hector!'

Is definitely one of his battle phrases.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

You're drawing parallels between series that don't treat their characters the same.
That doesn't work. Pokemon's characters are so insignificant that they'll find any excuse to single one out as a valid candidate. None of them are vital to the game.
Zelda on the other hand has few character and few competitors. Choices are more clear.
Don't ask me about shiek. I think in the next one Zelda should be given her own down b and shiek replaced with Impa as her own character. Impa is reoccurring and more important to the series.

Fire emblem is a different story. Every Lord is so vastly important to their respective game that its a crime not to include them. But not everyone can be included. Fire emblem moves through these important character and on to the next. That why FE should be doing the same and should resort to recentness (as A factor) so long as the most recent is likable, which chrom is unless your holding a grudge because his competitor is Roy. I'm not going to address Marth again because I have many times before.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You're drawing parallels between series that don't treat their characters the same.
That doesn't work. Pokemon's characters are so insignificant that they'll find any excuse to single one out as a valid candidate. None of them are vital to the game.
Zelda on the other hand has few character and few competitors. Choices are more clear.
Don't ask me about shiek. I think in the next one Zelda should be given her own down b and shiek replaced with Impa as her own character. Impa is reoccurring and more important to the series.

Fire emblem is a different story. Every Lord is so vastly important to their respective game that its a crime not to include them. But not everyone can be included. Fire emblem moves through these important character and on to the next. That why FE should be doing the same and should resort to recentness (as A factor) so long as the most recent is likable, which chrom is unless your holding a grudge because his competitor is Roy. I'm not going to address Marth again because I have many times before.

 

[FlareHabanero]

But Chrom is a really dull addition. Though I get he's supposed to be similar to Marth considering he's related to him by blood, it still feels like something to not get enthusiastic about. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Chrom is overlooked simply because he looks too similar to Ike or something.

 

[N3ON]

Recentness is only a factor when Sakurai sees something unique or different the character can bring, or goes to IS because he can't make the decision by himself (though even then he's still looking for diversity). It's entirely possible Sakurai thinks Chrom is too similar to the existing FE characters (an opinion many have) to warrant inclusion, and wouldn't bring enough diversity to the table, which is quite important to him, even in his clones and semi-clones. I'm not saying anything is a definite, but recentness is hardly the be-all-and-end-all.

 

[ChronoBound]

Narshen killed Hector? I don't remember Narshen being in that scene at all.

Narshen was there, but I doubt he was the main one to kill him (remember, Zephiel was there too).

Keep in mind Narshen is a big time narcissist.

Narshen:
"You're... So, being defeated once wasn't enough?"

Cecilia:
"Zephiel was the one who defeated me. Not you."

Narshen:
"Then I shall show you my strength now!"

 

[Diddy Kong]

Using Cecilia in the first place is a very brave thing from you Chrono.

Still, I prefer killing Narshen with Lilinia, just because. Tbh, Lilinia always turns out to be a one-woman-army in my FE6 playthroughs. Unless she's Speed screwed. But I usually use safe states on Roy and Lilinia's growths anyway. ^^ That's cause I'm totally not biased at all.

 

[Chidosengan]

Putting words in other people's mouths I see.

Considering how even NOE localized Sheeda as Shiida (which there is nothing wrong with it), complaining about the name "Caeda" of which is such a departure from the original to the point that people would think they are two different characters if the different names were being used, is perfectly legitimate.

Yeah, Caeda is a name I kinda didn't like at first but eventually warmed up to it. I see why it would strike a never though. How do you pronounce that, "Kay-da", "See-da"?

Btw, "Thany" is now "Shanna" and "Ray" is now "Raigh". I-I don't get it. I think they're going with the Japanese Romanizations instead of making of new names, first thing that comes to mind is "Lachesis" to "Rachesis", which is how it was spelled in the Japanese TCG. Not all of them though, as they kinda made up Seliph. I like "Seliph" better then "Celice" or "Serlis", though, but that's IMO.

 

[FlareHabanero]

******** about names reminds me of the Pokemon fanbase. Good god that was so ******** to people squirm over something so mundane.

How do you pronounce that, "Kay-da", "See-da"?.

See-da, similar to pronouncing Caesar.

 

[Chidosengan]

*****ing about names reminds me of the Pokemon fanbase. Good god that was so ******** to people squirm over something so mundane.

Well the difference between Pokemon and FE, what I think, is that Pokemon names get localized about a few months after their Japanese releases, so it not like they get attached to the names or anything. Now the problem the recent FE localizations, namely with 1, 4, 5, and 6, is that we had fan translation that were created around 2005 or 06 and we grew to know these characters with those names. Now suddenly NoA are bringing in new names for the same characters that kinda bring some sort of disconnect and sound somewhat wrong (for example, the fan translated "Eltshan" was localized to "Eldigan"). I personally started to call the characters with the localized names, be there will be people that will say the fan translated names sounded better, as I think with the previous example.

Anyways, let's talk music! Love the soundtrack to most FE games, especially FE4 (can't say the same about the actual game though). Here are some that I would love they would get remixes.

Advance
Girl of the Spirit Forest
Last Holy War
Hardin
Clash of Two Virtues

 

[Croph]

I always thought it would be cool if they use 8-bit songs...or an 8-bit remix of a song.

I'm probably the only one that would like this. It's not my fault I'm a fan of chiptunes ;_;

 

[SwordsRbroken]

PoR had some really great tracks. I like the Black Knight fight and Power-Hungry Fool in particular.

I also liked a lot of the music from Awakening (the one that plays in Ch 10 for example), but I don't have time to name all of them ATM.

 

[Oasis_S]

Are there any cool remixes of Black Knight's theme. Seems like one that could be given a really good remix.

 

[Luco]

You're drawing parallels between series that don't treat their characters the same.
That doesn't work. Pokemon's characters are so insignificant that they'll find any excuse to single one out as a valid candidate. None of them are vital to the game.
Zelda on the other hand has few character and few competitors. Choices are more clear.
Don't ask me about shiek. I think in the next one Zelda should be given her own down b and shiek replaced with Impa as her own character. Impa is reoccurring and more important to the series.

Don't encourage diddy. BAD.

J/ks, but honestly IMO, sheik should stay. Impa may be re-occurring but sheik plays an important part in Zelda history and has already been in smash bros.

I just see no reason to cut her, however I wouldn't mind the addition of impa per se.

But a bit more on-topic, I haven't actually played FE but a lot of what I heard from brawl, I liked, ESPECIALLY power hungry fool. Something about it just gives me chills. So well done.

I'm really looking forward to see what goes in for FE's OST in smash 4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Too late stopping me...
I was already there!

Path of Radiance had good music yeah. But so did Radiant Dawn. Tough, usually I dislike as many songs as I like in a Fire Emblem game.

 

[FalKoopa]

A medley of Lyn, Eliwood and Hector's themes (which are basically remixes of each other) should be there.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I always kinda wished Hector got lances as a secondary weapon instead of sword actually. Seeing as his class as a whol was based on Armor Knights / Generals, that would only make sence. At least, to me.

 

[FalKoopa]

I always kinda wished Hector got lances as a secondary weapon instead of sword actually. Seeing as his class as a whol was based on Armor Knights / Generals, that would only make sence. At least, to me.

I wonder why all axe/lance lords were limited to the GBA.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well at least Ike and Chrom get axes and lances as secondary weapons respectively. Marth's games being remade also didn't work well for weapon variety, but still. Am one of the few who enjoyed Shadow Dragon for what it was it seems.

Hopefully we'll get a female Archer Lord in the next game. With magic as a secondary weapon, cause why not?

 

[FalKoopa]

Hopefully we'll get a female Archer Lord in the next game. With magic as a secondary weapon, cause why not?

That would be seriously overpowered, yet so awesome.

 

[ChronoBound]

I would like to see another "weak" lord, but they provide massive supports to other units in the form of authority stars (a system from FE4/FE5). I doubt it would ever happen, but I think it would be a heck of a lot more original than "lord that use xxx weapon type".

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I would like to see another "weak" lord, but they provide massive supports to other units in the form of authority stars (a system from FE4/FE5). I doubt it would ever happen, but I think it would be a heck of a lot more original than "lord that use xxx weapon type".

Actually Ike is a perfect mid ground on PoR, he was weak before promotion but was awesome after promotion, I want the same mechanic used in PoR. where the Lord need to be protected at all times but you have to level him up to become powerful and able to hold his own in his own game.

 

[ChronoBound]

Actually Ike is a perfect mid ground on PoR, he was weak before promotion but was awesome after promotion, I want the same mechanic used in PoR. where the Lord need to be protected at all times but you have to level him up to become powerful and able to hold his own in his own game.

Ike was by no means weak at the beginning of the game. At best you could argue his bases could have been a bit higher, however, due to his very high growths he becomes very good quickly.

 

[Diddy Kong]

PoR Ike unpromoted has some slight problems with Strenght sometimes. Otherwise, he's one of the fastest and especially bulkiest Lords around. Lot's of HP to.

Yeah, another Leaf would maybe be cool, but I really hope they can think of some more unique ideas for Lords. Maybe one that rides a Pegasus after promotion? Or a Wyvern? Maybe have a Lord that starts out as your main healer, but gets a weapon or magic after promotion?

Thus far, I still hope for Bow Lord. Or maybe even Thief Lord. Axes also hold a special place in my heart, so wouldn't exactly mind that either.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Still, it wont be nice to have the Main character be a bad character, I agree with terrible bases and powerful growths mechanic...I would like the next game be a mix of Radiant Dawn,Thrachia and have the freedom of Awakening, (at higher difficulty they should make the extra content only usable after you defeat the game).

 

[ChronoBound]

Still, it wont be nice to have the Main character be a bad character,

Nah the "anti-hero" trope is way overdone. Perhaps another thing I would like to see done for a lord that might be "original" would be a lord that is older and already has a family from the start of the game.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Nah the "anti-hero" trope is way overdone. Perhaps another thing I would like to see done for a lord that might be "original" would be a lord that is older and already has a family from the start of the game.

by a "bad" character I meant a weak Lord from start to end.....

 

[Diddy Kong]

Priest Lord or Thief Lord maybe?

To be honest, I think I'd want a Lancer Lord the most. Just to bring the Soldier / Halberdier class back into full action.

Cause damn, I'm gonna miss them Halberdiers in Awakening when I get to play it.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Just to bring the Soldier / Halberdier class back into full action.

I haven't even played PoR/RD and I want this to happen.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So Halberdier Lord it'll be? Maybe have him have axes as well after promotion, cause you know... Halberts are more like long axes than lances.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

So Halberdier Lord it'll be? Maybe have him have axes as well after promotion, cause you know... Halberts are more like long axes than lances.

Well, no, I just meant the class. I'd actually be interested in seeing some sort of archer Lord.

 

[Diddy Kong]

The class needs to return badly yeah. Also wouldn't mind Crossbows being back. And I hope they keep the War Monk class and Gryphon Knights from Awakening.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

PoR has my favorite soundtrack.
Bittersweet victory, plight!, Rally the Spirit, With us!, the black knight's theme. I have trouble ranking my favorites from that game because they're all so good.
If I could find a way to get that game on my DS I would be a happy man.

PS
A mounted Lord would could be cool. Using a pegasus or wyvern would make things interesting but at the same time, possibly overpowered.

 

[•Col•]

PoR has my favorite soundtrack.
Bittersweet victory, plight!, Rally the Spirit, With us!, the black knight's theme. I have trouble ranking my favorites from that game because they're all so good.
If I could find a way to get that game on my DS I would be a happy man.

PS
A mounted Lord would could be cool. Using a pegasus or wyvern would make things interesting but at the same time, possibly overpowered.

YES. WYVERN LORD-LORD PLZ

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Just completed Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance for the first time and I gotta say...

Anyone ever think about a laguz lord?

 

[FalKoopa]

Anyone ever think about a laguz lord?

I doubt that they would make any more games in the Elibe, Tellius or Magvel timelines.

But yeah, a Laguz lord would be interesting. The only problem I see is that the game would be a bit too complicated right from the beginning.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I doubt that they would make any more games in the Elibe, Tellius or Magvel timelines.

But yeah, a Laguz lord would be interesting. The only problem I see is that the game would be a bit too complicated right from the beginning.

Well the Lord would have good stats like Ike-Sama wants but the difficulty that Chrono wants.

Plus I just like laguz.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I doubt that they would make any more games in the Elibe, Tellius or Magvel timelines.

But yeah, a Laguz lord would be interesting. The only problem I see is that the game would be a bit too complicated right from the beginning.

Yeah only having laguz units would be odd. Plus the nature of Laguz is that the strong are the leaders. Wouldn't make much sense when the under powered unit your lord starts as commands an army.

Perhaps a misplaced Laguz in a beorc society would work?

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I have a nice idea, where the main character is actually a normal soldier, and you actually rise in the ranks everytime, than you end up choosing, to take down the current lord, become his right hand or become a mercenary....anyways whatever path you take you end up saving the world.