Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Ike's design was based on him, wasn't it? Seriously, that's what his Wikipedia article has to say.
Sakurai already said we're not gonna see that many new faces this time around. We may barely get 45.
I still don't know how to feel about that update...
I am a designer / programmer. ^_^
Brawl has 39, not 35. Transformations are counted, both by Sakurai and the community, because they have their own seperate movesets and files.
You said you're a website programmer right? Try making extensive and detailed models for the characters, making sure they're animations don't freak out, changing hitboxes and properly balancing (at least attempt to
) the characters WHILE still holding true to their series and the creators wishes? Lot harder than a website right (which after making some myself, I'll admit is not very hard, more time consuming than anything)? This is only the characters. After that he has to make stages, music, modes, etc. Sakurai has done a wonderful job so far. Don't act spoiled and stay his work is pathetic.I'm sorry, the distinction of four more characters barely makes a case against the fact that the roster was still lacking, debatably of course.
"Spoiled?" That's offensive. Calm down.You said you're a website programmer right? Try making extensive and detailed models for the characters, making sure they're animations don't freak out, changing hitboxes and properly balancing (at least attempt to
It's huge by most fighting game standards. Only games that have more that stand out in my mind are some of the KoF dream matches and MvC2(3 as well? IDK). TTT2 as well I think.
He was doing the character balance by himself before now. But yes, now he does have more people working on balance. That said, he's made it clear that he wants to do more this time than fill a quota of new characters. Quite frankly I cant think of more than around 10 or so characters who really deserve to be in Smash.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGSiTXyBzk&t=0m6s
agreed. id rather have 40 characters i actually know and wanna play as, and all feel unique in their own ways, rather than 80 characters with no sense of balance making only about a dozen actually worth anything.
I guess I'm going more by what Nintendo has to offer, which is a lot more than 39. With intimate attention payed to each series, Brawl could have very well have had 50 reasonable characters, all with unique movesets and stats.
Only ten? How um, exclusive.
Or conservative. At least I'm not adding a bunch of second stringers nobody cares about.
Check my sig. Subtract Zoroark, Micaiah, Hector, Waddle Dee, and Black Shadow, maybe add Chrom and sub in whatever Namco character you prefer for Lloyd, and you get the characters I think have a good shot at being in Smash 4. It's not exactly ten, but it's in the neighborhood.
We would have gotten Brawl by about 2014 then.
Yeah.. I read your disposition towards large rosters.
Don't be so dramatic.
-_-
It's also important to look at the importance of each series as a whole. For instance, a small series like Xenoblade or Golden Sun probably wouldn't get more than one character, despite having a number of supporting characters that could be called important.
Thing is, though, is Metroid important enough to warrant that 4th slot? So far, the only series to get that many have been the Big 3(Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon). Is Metroid as important as those franchises? Sure, it's as old as Zelda, but it has a spotty attendance record(missing out the N64 entirely), and its popularity, while decent, doesn't even approach the level of the three I mentioned.
If it were a popularity contest we'd have nothing but Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon characters with a few others scattered about. If Smash were a popularity contest, we'd never have gotten Captain Falcon(who is popular BECAUSE of Smash), or any Mother or Fire Emblem characters. We also wouldn't have G&W, R.O.B., or the Ice Climbers.
I admittedly misspoke in that instance.
What? These character inclusions aren't physical products. I doubt it's significantly more expensive to include more characters. It'll cost time, not money. But as I've said, it shouldn't cost that much more time considering the team of people working on this project.
Time is money. The more time that is spent on a project, there more money is need for the resources and to pay the team working on it (and if going by your way, it would quite large, or should all of their hard work go unpaid?).
I didn't say they should unintentionally try to have the same number of reps per series, that would be unreasonable. But there are certain characters within certain series that at least deserve more serious consideration, like Dark Samus for instance.
Four? No, three. Samus, Ridley, and Dark Samus. That, to me, seems reasonable, and well representing of the Metroid franchise.
You're taking what I said all the way to the extreme, first of all.
They can only do so much. You're starting to come of as entitled.
Oh stop.
Businesses that cut corners so blatantly like that, and deliver a product that a large number of customers perceive as being under-par, are apparent; and the Vast majority of them don't do well unless they're a monopoly.
"Entitled?" Hardly.
ZSS counts as a 4th character. She has her own seperate moveset form Samus. And yes, just Samus is kind of ridiculous, but I honsetly would be fine with just Samus and Ridley. Though that discussion belongs in a non-Fire Emlbem thread.
You're underselling ATs. They're a great way to give exposure to unproven series. Just look at what it did for S&P: Saki being an AT renewed interest in the series enough for Nintendo to localize S&P, and to greenlight a sequel. Edit: Same with Starfy IIRC, and Punch-Out to an extent.
You're changing your argument a little.
Having them as ATS accomplished nothing more than what having them as playables would have accomplished.
That's a misleading fact, and you're not looking at it correctly.
Aside from complaints about Mewtwo and Roy, I have no idea whay you're talking about. Edit: Other than for cut characters, there was no universal complaining.
That's a personal problem.
as far as sales go he's looking at that info just fine. Brawl outsold Melee by more than 3 million more units so it was a success overall. and it sold just fine after its first year. like any game it obviously slowed down a little cause it wasnt advertised nearly as much afterwords. but in the course of 4 years it sold over 10 million so i'd say it did fine. problems aside, you can't deny those type of numbers. the roster didnt effect its sales is all im saying
[citation needed]
He's suggesting that Brawl's sales are directly related to it's acceptance as it was, which isn't true.
OMG SAKI/ISAAC/WHOEVER IS NOT IN THIS GAEM
You want me to cite years of reading reviews and message boards about Brawl? I'm sorry, I'm not sure I know how to go about doing that..
Now you're attempting to mock me, in an attempt to trivialize my concerns? Please, as if. Don't be childish.
)