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i think it would still kill at 100% cause u wobble to 100 then Blizzard to down throw up smashhas anyone suggested wobbling to say 100% or something lower then 200% at least, so that it might not kill you, but definitely sets up an edge guard.
You can't just blizzard>dthrow usmash after a wobble haha.i think it would still kill at 100% cause u wobble to 100 then Blizzard to down throw up smash
and do you get DQed for going to 101?
oh didn't know that i kinda just thought u could blizzard the next time instead of ftiltYou can't just blizzard>dthrow usmash after a wobble haha.
Wait I'm pretty sure you can LOL. What's stopping you...?You can't just blizzard>dthrow usmash after a wobble haha.
even at 100% they would be able to break out?They can break out.
It works if they don't press buttons. Ironically I just tried doing this earlier today. It looks cute, the problem is that Blizzard comes out on frame 16, leaving +- 10 free breakout frames, and nobody should have any problem breaking out of that when transferring from getting wobbled.
even at 100% they would be able to break out?They can break out.
It works if they don't press buttons. Ironically I just tried doing this earlier today. It looks cute, the problem is that Blizzard comes out on frame 16, leaving +- 10 free breakout frames, and nobody should have any problem breaking out of that when transferring from getting wobbled.
They'd be trying to break out during the wobble itself. After they reach the necessary inputs to break out then they just have to wait for you to leave a 1 frame window in your wobble where they're out of "capture damage."even at 100% they would be able to break out?
When they try to break out, it's like breaking at when you were grabbed. If you wobble a CPU at 0% up to, like, 200% or whatever, they break out pretty much immediately as if they were breaking out of the grab at 0%. I have no real frame data and stuff, but it seems to be right just from speculation. P:even at 100% they would be able to break out?
Actually you can Tilt->Blizzard without leaving an opening in stun. The timing for a wobble is nowhere near as strict as you're suggesting. With f-tilt you can press A as fast as every 15 frames or as slow as every 22 to wobble (slower is generally better since you need that pace to start an instawobble so Nana is out of grab lag on the 2nd press). If you use a slow pace for A inputs (or switch to it at the end) you can do a blizzard after the last headbutt if you press B earlier than normal. If the 2nd to last A -> final A input is 22 apart the final A -> B can be 8-13 apart. If the A->A is 21 apart the A->B can be 9-12, and if A->A is 20 the A->B can be 10-11.They can break out.
It works if they don't press buttons. Ironically I just tried doing this earlier today. It looks cute, the problem is that Blizzard comes out on frame 16, leaving +- 10 free breakout frames, and nobody should have any problem breaking out of that when transferring from getting wobbled.
Omg magus' science has created a compromise. This isn't considered wobbling right?Actually you can Tilt->Blizzard without leaving an opening in stun. The timing for a wobble is nowhere near as strict as you're suggesting. With f-tilt you can press A as fast as every 15 frames or as slow as every 22 to wobble (slower is generally better since you need that pace to start an instawobble so Nana is out of grab lag on the 2nd press). If you use a slow pace for A inputs (or switch to it at the end) you can do a blizzard after the last headbutt if you press B earlier than normal. If the 2nd to last A -> final A input is 22 apart the final A -> B can be 8-13 apart. If the A->A is 21 apart the A->B can be 9-12, and if A->A is 20 the A->B can be 10-11.
Edit: Come to think of it, I suppose that means...
Headbutt -> F-tilt -> Headbutt -> Blizzard+Headbutt(s) -> Headbutt -> F-tilt -> ...
and
Headbutt -> Blizzard+Headbutt(s) -> Headbutt -> Blizzard+Headbutt(s) -> ...
...would also be infinites when done properly.
Edit2: Yup. Checked it. The headbutt blizzard headbutt blizzard one is pretty sexy. It's significantly harder than wobbling though. You headbutt right as the blizzard disappears then press down-b as close to 10-11 frames afterwards as you can for the easiest timing.
Yea but its harder to do, using a b move instead of just a a a a really makes it different to me.That's not a compromise at all, haha. The same people who are against wobbling will be against this wobbling variant. It's functionally identical to wobbling.
No, slavery was an era in history and was never set in stone. The entire U.S. would have agreed to it if it were set in stone. Your argument has no bearing because it's not even a legit comparison to this thread's "compromise" where something, even if it has always been negotiable, has been like this (banned or severely restricted) since as long as I've been around in the smash community (5 years now) for the same reason:nothing has been 'set in stone' for years, and even if it had, why should that stop anyone from questioning it?
once upon a time, slavery was 'set in stone'
My logic is the majority of good smashers do agree, the minority don't, on the ban of Wobbling. The era of slavery is a terrible comparison because it's the exact opposite and was based off more factors than just pure opinion (like facts or prior experiences for instance). Primarily, just the south eastern part of the U.S. practiced slavery, where-as the other 75% of America for the most part didn't even know that slavery was being practiced in the U.S.. Majority rules in both cases as we see. Why change something where for the most part with people that actually know what they're talking about (whether through experience or schooling) have already come to a unanimous conclusion about it? Trying to compromise on something that a majority of good smashers have already agreed to is just a terrible waste of time.I dont think all smashers agree to the wobble ban (obviously) thus making it not set in stone according to your logic?
Your "was" makes it sounds like slavery still doesn't exist.No, slavery was an era in history and was never set in stone.
Judging by the OP, there are more players of all skill ranges that favor no ban. Keep in mind that wobbling isn't actually banned as of now according to the MBR; the community just doesn't wobble, and IC players rarely make an issue of it... until now that is.My logic is the majority of good smashers do agree, the minority don't, on the ban of Wobbling.
Taking into account that I said "good smashers" and not just "smashers". That separates the players that know what they're talking about from the people that don't. Sure if you count everyone of course everyone and their mother that plays ICs wants wobbling. It's because they're bad and don't know what they'd do without it. I hope next time you read my words as carefully as I type them.Judging by the OP, there are more players of all skill ranges that favor no ban. Keep in mind that wobbling isn't actually banned as of now according to the MBR; the community just doesn't wobble, and IC players rarely make an issue of it... until now that is.
Thanks very much for finding those infinites, Magus! That might be the most significant new advanced tech this year.
Could you hold down and mash b instantly after the headbutt?Edit2: Yup. Checked it. The headbutt blizzard headbutt blizzard one is pretty sexy. It's significantly harder than wobbling though. You headbutt right as the blizzard disappears then press down-b as close to 10-11 frames afterwards as you can for the easiest timing.
No, slavery was an era in history and was never set in stone. The entire U.S. would have agreed to it if it were set in stone. Your argument has no bearing because it's not even a legit comparison to this thread's "compromise" where something, even if it has always been negotiable, has been like this (banned or severely restricted) since as long as I've been around in the smash community (5 years now) for the same reason:
It's an easy gimmick that requires the same timing as a shine-spike, but the results are unlimited.
Pre-civil war USA, most of the northern states didn't have slaves, but they DID tolerate the southern states having slaves... not too unlike this rule not being relevant fox vs peach but being relevant in ICs vs samusMy logic is the majority of good smashers do agree, the minority don't, on the ban of Wobbling. The era of slavery is a terrible comparison because it's the exact opposite and was based off more factors than just pure opinion (like facts or prior experiences for instance). Primarily, just the south eastern part of the U.S. practiced slavery, where-as the other 75% of America for the most part didn't even know that slavery was being practiced in the U.S.. Majority rules in both cases as we see. Why change something where for the most part with people that actually know what they're talking about (whether through experience or schooling) have already come to a unanimous conclusion about it? Trying to compromise on something that a majority of good smashers have already agreed to is just a terrible waste of time.
By the way, when I say good smashers, I'm excluding people that no one has ever heard about or who haven't made an impact on Super Smash Brothers yet.
- I said "of all skill ranges" which implies good players as well.Taking into account that I said "good smashers" and not just "smashers". That separates the players that know what they're talking about from the people that don't. Sure if you count everyone of course everyone and their mother that plays ICs wants wobbling. It's because they're bad and don't know what they'd do without it. I hope next time you read my words as carefully as I type them.
If the headbutt was well timed to be as late as possible that might work since there'd be a decent window for pressing B, but even then you'd need to mash extremely fast. Could be more usable in later versions I guess. Learning the timing between the button presses would be the best way though imo. I was doing it by holding down and timing Z->B.Could you hold down and mash b instantly after the headbutt?