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WIFI Tier list
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Alus
Smash Champion
You guys and your silly logic...It's like this guy says... Different amounts of lag will cause different changes to such a wifi tier list, so really there's not much point in such a discussion going on
Edit:
Just another example of what We're trying to say
Just base it off of nintendo's suggested minimal connection standard [which is yellow].
Sure there might be a few tiny diffrences in between, but it isnt like anyone really needs it to be 100% accurate...
Its all in good fun.
Sosuke
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You are foolish if you think Marth does THAT bad in lag.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
It really isn't possible to make one because it all depends on how much lag there is. Believe me, the OTL already tried to make one last year but this was the biggest snag we kept running into. Basically, determining an online tier list would strongly depend on being able to observe ideal online conditions (about .05 seconds worth of lag per every 10 seconds I believe is what someone figured out) on a regular basis and, obviously, this doesn't happen very often due to Nintendo's crappy wifi and thus everyone has different amounts of lag. With all this being said, it's best just to stick to the offline one despite there being obvious changes in lag like the timing for chain grabs and what attacks lead into each other.
Cold Fusion
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How is my logic silly? It is why there should not be a Wi-Fi tier list.
These few tiny differences in input lag make the difference between being able to accurately sweetspot an attack and having it sourspot.
M-WUZ-H3R3
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If it was a good idea the SBR would have made one by now.
Alus
Smash Champion
SZ2K
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My friend plays Olimar and I play Marth, I completely wreck him offline. When we go online he can just spam projectiles and everything I feel is going to be a tipper misses and he just runs around spamming me and for some reason I can't get in on him the same way I do offline. And I can't land my DBs sometimes..
yummynbeefy
Smash Champion
hehe wolf is pretty amazing with lag he has good aerial movement, a lagless bair and can combo right into f-smash how fun
IxxI
Smash Fence
This, there are also different types of lag.
Some characters may do better than others in different types.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
Lag really hurts each character, some more then others. I know Ganondorf is good on Wifi since he hits hard and can tech chase easier due to all the lag, while a character like Wario is harder since most of the tricks to airdodge through moves or defensive play doesn't work online.
haloman800
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Ike and Lucario should go up, IC's, Wario, and Dedede should go down, I can't really see anything else different from that though, everyone else is equally nerfed.
Shadow13
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The only real differences are lag, and if it is "With Anyone" the amount of players, and in a battle royal, anybody could team up or do something stupid or whatnot. If it is supposed to be 1 vs. 1 still, I wouldn't see why there would be a difference.
And counting lag as part of a tier list wouldn't work because Wi-Fi doesn't even always lag the same.
And counting lag as part of a tier list wouldn't work because Wi-Fi doesn't even always lag the same.
Arty
Smash Lord
ICs would drop significantly
SuSa
Banned via Administration
So I heard Snake is worse then Ganondorf offline.
Discuss?
MiniTroika
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Wifi List
SS
Snake
Lucario
GAW
S
Wolf
ROB
Olimar
metaknight
A
Ike
Falco
Peach
fox
Diddy Kong
toonlink
B
Pit
wario
Donkey Kong
kirby
King Dedede
Luigi
sonic
Pikachu
Zero Suit Samus
C
Marth
Zelda
Ice Climbers
D
Pokemon Trainer
Lucas
Ness
Bowser
Samus
E
Mario
yoshi
Sheik
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
F
Link
Captain Falcon
SS
Snake
Lucario
GAW
S
Wolf
ROB
Olimar
metaknight
A
Ike
Falco
Peach
fox
Diddy Kong
toonlink
B
Pit
wario
Donkey Kong
kirby
King Dedede
Luigi
sonic
Pikachu
Zero Suit Samus
C
Marth
Zelda
Ice Climbers
D
Pokemon Trainer
Lucas
Ness
Bowser
Samus
E
Mario
yoshi
Sheik
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
F
Link
Captain Falcon
TheStig
Smash Lord
no way lucario is 2
2Dcomplex
Smash Rookie
Zelda should never be above Sheik.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
Truth be told, an online tier list would look similar to the offline one with some changes here and there. It wouldn't be as random as this. Are you talking about online tournaments or anyone battles because Lucario is definately not that much better online. Under ideal lag, it's harder to DI out of the force palm and he has an easier time stringing attacks together but, all in all, he still has a very hard time getting kills in and, thanks to lag, he has a harder time punishing moves. Wolf's not that much better either as he still has the predictible recovery, his jab and fsmash are easier to shield grab, and his aerial moves are given more ending lag. Mario's definately better because it's easier for him to escape chain grabs thanks to the lag and he has an easier time stringing attacks together. Those are just a few examples of why this tier list doesn't work.
Nic64
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In lag Lucario's fsmash is like totally safe on the block in a lot of situations(gl intentionally power shielding it with enough consistency to make the risk worth it), his roll is unpunishable unless 100% predicted, and it's harder to edge guard him.
Predictable recovery but not easily intercepted in lag, unless you have a very good connection, it becomes much harder to edge guard him. Easier to shield grab? How so, not only is it not easier to grab, it's harder to shield to begin with, and he can buffer actions out of auto cancelled aerials, attempting to punish wifi wolf for stupidly throwing attacks out usually winds up badly for you if you attempt it directly.
I don't think you give online enough credit for just how badly it distorts this game, against someone local with a good connection it's fine, but on the whole, it's totally different. Good for matchup experience but it can and will teach you bad habits by making you think that things that don't work do.
SothE700k
Smash Lord
y go with sum1 who cn't spel?
Supreme65
Smash Apprentice
Peach does well. Considering she's a lagging character. SP(super peach) tier for Peach cuz she's Peach
'V'
Smash Lord
TP
Smash Master
You're gonna have to explain that one. When tech chasing, every frame is vital. Input lag alone, disregarding the more random lag, makes it essentially impossible. If you are trying to say that tech chasing is really easy in slo-mo, that's true, but not when input lag puts you 6 frames behind the opponent.
Ganon is still bottom of bottom online. Any projectile = ownage.
EDIT: The OTL rankings are worthless lol. It's all the same 70 players playing each other again and again. Not nearly a large enough pool to draw conclusions from.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Seems interesting how the same four bad characters are at the bottom as they are on the regular tier list. I believe Ganondorf should be slightly higher though. Maybe near C, but that's just my opinion.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
psh, my sheik is the business on wifi
more people should get on OTL :D
more people should get on OTL :D