marth has the fastest f-smash in the game. pichu's up-smash is faster what does that mean?
How does this negate anything I said about range and other things? Also, being 1 frame faster than a slow move isn't exactly good. It doesn't matter if Marth has the fastest F-smash if it's still slow.
also I deceided to watch a random youtube video of a kirby player surprizingly there were no up-tilt combos lol the uptilts killed at like 170% or so.
I found a random Pichu vid where Pichu gets 4-stocked with Sheik at 43%. I can find matches where Kirby beats Sheik. Youtube is a terrible judge.
I randomed a random pichu player who didn't even main pichu but did it for lolz and comboed jigglypuff with nair up-tilt nair. that's at least 30%.
I love the bad DI game.
D-throw --> U-tilt --> U-tilt --> U-tilt --> U-tilt --> U-tilt --> U-smash. In some random Kirby combo video I think, so it must be legit! It's on Youtube, after all.
the kirby tryed to use side-B in the air to combo even landed it but was punished before the move could touch the ground and there were only 6 uptilts in it.
Youtube is a terrible judge of everything.
the pichu was able to combo jigglypuff with nair. The kirby was you. first thing I found by kirby kaze.
Old videos of me are awful evidence.
Didn't you(or maybe that was pink reaper) once say kirby can't hit m2 and it isn't because of range it's the teleporting and camping shawdow balls.
It was Pink Reaper. And I didn't have a comment on it because I have never played a good Mewtwo with Kirby.
kirby has the best duck in the game but he is campable. pichu could be camped I geuss but not as easy due to his speed and I know some people have promoted camping and we both know pichu isn't easy to camp size speed duck and has projectiles of his own even if they are bad to counter camp with.
Terrible range makes him easier to counter camp. Kirby is much better at pinning people when he gets the chance to do so because of his better in-combat stuff (duck, grab range, attack range, etc).
tell me why I put out the upair thing for kirby.
I don't know.
I actually think you were being serious, tbh. And now you're backing out because you realize how stupid you've been.
I,ve given reasons. If I can admit I sucked back then I didn't know what I was talking about. I study pichu Mother F***er I look at details you don't care about I think of new tactics to try/use. Really I have stated a number of reasons why I believe pichu should move up. The guy with a C in his name way right.
You can study him all you want, but if you're consistently wrong because of faulty sources (Youtube) and because you rely on flawed arguments like "Mindgames" to win arguments to prove why your character is incredibly capable (because "Mindgames" is applicable to everyone) then you're wasting your time. And preaching false information.
Again I F**ing study pichu I know his flaws and his good parts I have been trying to learn something to understand better but this is a waste of both our tme. Oh well rub some S*** in my face I can't feel.
If you didn't use "Mindgames" or "Youtube" as a constant source of evidence and actually had something that addressed his awful range and being one of the most easily death comboed and camped characters in the game then maybe I'd feel differently but so far it's been:
1) Make them run into move
2) Make them not DI so you get a big 40% combo every time even on floaties
3) Make them run into a move when you're camping the edge at some point
None of these are really solid strategies.
The little you've said about his poor range and poor overall move quality boils down to you comparing his attack speed to Marths, but also omitting that Marth has
1) More movement speed in almost every regard
2) More range
3) More useful hitbox properties
4) More potential to do things with his moves
And even then, Marth's slow moves (like F-smash) are slow. Just because your move is slightly, slightly faster than a slow move does not make your move fast by any stretch of the imagination.
