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Why is Yoshi low tier?
- Thread starter bobson
- Start date
I like this guy. He's a thinker.
JOE!
Smash Hero
doing the same for Bowser, he has a 45.31% chance, and hes ranked like 14 places above him
wanna see MK's now for comparison
wanna see MK's now for comparison
JOE!
Smash Hero
Hmm...cant find a MK matchup list....
gonna look over the boards and make a list of overall matchup-scores here...
gonna look over the boards and make a list of overall matchup-scores here...
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
there are scores of mk matchups? i'd like to see
JOE!
Smash Hero
Boozer: 45.31%
Captain Falcon: N/A
Diddy: 52.30%
Donkey: N/A
Falco: Incomplete List
Fox: Incomplete List
G&W: Incomplete
Ganon: incomplete
Ice Climbers: 53.71%
Ike: Incomplete
Jigglypuff: Incomplete
DDD: Incomplete
Kirby: 53.58%
Link: Incomplete
Lucario: Incomplete
Lucas: In the works
Luigi: In the works
Mario: 47.17%
Marth: 61.15% (oh dear)
Meta Knight: N/A
Ness: Incomplete
Olimar: Incomplete
Peach: Incomplete
Pikachu: N/A
Pit: Incomplete
Pokemon trainer: incomplete (includes all 3 pokemon)
ROB: 53.46%
Samus: N/A
Sheik: incomplete
Snake: incomplete
Sonic: incomplete
Toon Link: 61.28% (oh dear again)
Wario: 55.64%
Wolf: 48.71%
Yoshi: 50.03%
Zelda: Incomplete
ZSS: Incomplete
Captain Falcon: N/A
Diddy: 52.30%
Donkey: N/A
Falco: Incomplete List
Fox: Incomplete List
G&W: Incomplete
Ganon: incomplete
Ice Climbers: 53.71%
Ike: Incomplete
Jigglypuff: Incomplete
DDD: Incomplete
Kirby: 53.58%
Link: Incomplete
Lucario: Incomplete
Lucas: In the works
Luigi: In the works
Mario: 47.17%
Marth: 61.15% (oh dear)
Meta Knight: N/A
Ness: Incomplete
Olimar: Incomplete
Peach: Incomplete
Pikachu: N/A
Pit: Incomplete
Pokemon trainer: incomplete (includes all 3 pokemon)
ROB: 53.46%
Samus: N/A
Sheik: incomplete
Snake: incomplete
Sonic: incomplete
Toon Link: 61.28% (oh dear again)
Wario: 55.64%
Wolf: 48.71%
Yoshi: 50.03%
Zelda: Incomplete
ZSS: Incomplete
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
loool so many incompletes bro
JOE!
Smash Hero
well, alot of character threads havent gotten around to finishing their matchup topics like we have
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
mmm i see, it's still quite interetsting ya know?
JOE!
Smash Hero
a sort of tier list... (note that this is only 11/39 characters)
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
A couple things to keep in mind:
Tier lists are primarily made by people who main that character, and as such, while rooted in reality, are still somewhat biased.
Secondly, Yoshi's recovery is easier to gimp than I had previously thought. Friday I was footstooled during my second jump (Right after the SA frames started), meaning that for some reason, while you can't be hit out of SA, you can in fact be footstooled out, which is absolute BS. I was pissed...
Tier lists are primarily made by people who main that character, and as such, while rooted in reality, are still somewhat biased.
Secondly, Yoshi's recovery is easier to gimp than I had previously thought. Friday I was footstooled during my second jump (Right after the SA frames started), meaning that for some reason, while you can't be hit out of SA, you can in fact be footstooled out, which is absolute BS. I was pissed...
Mmac
Smash Lord
If you depend on your SA Frames, then you deserve to be Gimped.
That's NOT how you recover with Yoshi
That's NOT how you recover with Yoshi
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
i would not count that as tier list
JOE!
Smash Hero
i said "sort of"
besides, what would constitute a tier list?
besides, what would constitute a tier list?
RyanPF
Smash Journeyman
I think a tier list based entirely on matchups could be more accurate than one based on tournament rankings.
JOE!
Smash Hero
QFT
hell, Cpt Falcon could be top tier based on the current system if enough people were nasty at him at tournaments
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
exactly bro exactly that's exactly what i was going to write too bra
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
Well, I depend on a second jump... All I'm saying is I didn't know I could be footstooled out of SA frames. It was kind of my "go to" when being edge guarded. Seriously, that was kind of a shock...
Poltergust
Smash Master
Um, fromundaman? You do know that the foot-stool is always 100% avoidable, right? Just air-dodge or attack. o_O
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
he might be refering to being so low?
JOE!
Smash Hero
I dont get the footstool argument, footstool can gimp pretty much anyone's recovery if done at the right time (except ROB, Sonic, and possibly MK)
and with Yoshi's air speed it's pretty hard to do....and right impossible from my experience if you do a rising air dodge to the stage....so why does everyone go up in arms about it in the very few times it happens?
and with Yoshi's air speed it's pretty hard to do....and right impossible from my experience if you do a rising air dodge to the stage....so why does everyone go up in arms about it in the very few times it happens?
CO18
Smash Hero
Yoshi is low tier because none of you peeps have proved otherwise.
D
Deleted member
Guest
*Has placed 3rd in tournament using all yoshi*
*Looks at tournament results thread to see other yoshis placings*
What?
§leepy God
Smash Master
Tires don exits. It's just a popularity contest.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
oh how wish that were true, although brawl is so much more even
JOE!
Smash Hero
"Why is Yoshi low Tier?"
he has nothing broken with him
been doing some matches...and it seems that everyone i face as yoshi has some technique that can be highly abusable (dolphin blade, sheik-lock, inf grabs, etc) that just put one character way over others
Yoshi has nothing like that besides a chain grab that only works on a few characters where that actually saves him.
(might be venting a bit here....just had some stupid brawls <.<)
he has nothing broken with him
been doing some matches...and it seems that everyone i face as yoshi has some technique that can be highly abusable (dolphin blade, sheik-lock, inf grabs, etc) that just put one character way over others
Yoshi has nothing like that besides a chain grab that only works on a few characters where that actually saves him.
(might be venting a bit here....just had some stupid brawls <.<)
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
actually.....have you played me? loool all my friends now say yoshi is broken!
JOE!
Smash Hero
well yeah, good yoshis are broken
but otherwise its so much easier to just go on as peach and spam turnips till you get bombs/items and float away or sheik-lock someone than it is to learn the best character :/
but otherwise its so much easier to just go on as peach and spam turnips till you get bombs/items and float away or sheik-lock someone than it is to learn the best character :/
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
sheik is tough to kill with
JOE!
Smash Hero
Im just venting....
just waiting on the other threads to finish matchups to finsih my chart here
just waiting on the other threads to finish matchups to finsih my chart here
bigman40
Smash Master
It takes a good understanding of using all of Yoshi's moves to make him broken =P
JOE!
Smash Hero
exactly, thats why he has the percieved low tier status
im pretty sure if you only have one bad matchup (curse you G&W.....), you're not low tier
im pretty sure if you only have one bad matchup (curse you G&W.....), you're not low tier
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
It's mainly a shock that it CAN be done as Yoshi.
But let's give a scenario for a second: ROB comes off stage to Nair me. I airdodge, fall right below him due to it, go to second jump, and BAM, footstooled. Now with any other character, I have at LEAST one more jump left to make it back, or at least attempt to. My problem with Yoshi's is that A) I didn't know it could happen wth SA frames, and B) I have no triple jump to fall back on when it does happen.
Yeah, I know it's rare, but still.
Don't get me wrong, my Yoshi isn't good, but he's not bad either (You can check on my youtube if you want. I use the same name as here and the videos should be done loading soon.)
But let's give a scenario for a second: ROB comes off stage to Nair me. I airdodge, fall right below him due to it, go to second jump, and BAM, footstooled. Now with any other character, I have at LEAST one more jump left to make it back, or at least attempt to. My problem with Yoshi's is that A) I didn't know it could happen wth SA frames, and B) I have no triple jump to fall back on when it does happen.
Yeah, I know it's rare, but still.
Don't get me wrong, my Yoshi isn't good, but he's not bad either (You can check on my youtube if you want. I use the same name as here and the videos should be done loading soon.)
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
its not super armor its ****ing heavy armor.
Christ the games been out for some time the terms should not be confused so **** easily.
Christ the games been out for some time the terms should not be confused so **** easily.
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
super armor is things like ikes aether that cant even be broken with a ganon punch.
heavy armor are things like yoshis jump and snakes cypher where a strong enough attack will knock them out of it
heavy armor are things like yoshis jump and snakes cypher where a strong enough attack will knock them out of it
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
super armor gives you a great advantage in several areas, it can not be overlooked
pidgey14
Smash Apprentice
Exactly what I was going to say (if I saw this fast enough).
Seriously, what do you want as "proof"? I have always seen from smashers that us Yoshi mains have never gave anyone proof on his potential. It is really annoying. >.<
cutter
Smash Champion
Super Armor gives you immunity to ALL knockback, no matter HOW powerful the attack is.
Heavy Armor gives you immunity only to WEAK attacks ~8% and less while you will get knocked out of more powerful attacks.
It's quite a simple concept.
Heavy Armor gives you immunity only to WEAK attacks ~8% and less while you will get knocked out of more powerful attacks.
It's quite a simple concept.
Gindler
Smash Champion
I've flown through some meteors I believe with yoshi's heavy armor, at low percents it's pretty nifty. I also think it's better than snake's armor, heavier or something idk. But yeah shouldn't rely on armor