Whose Mafia Is it Anyway - Game Over!

[ranmaru]

Honestly forgot he voted Soup the page before. Originally took it as null early rvs wagonining.

 

[Lore]

im mind****ed

Right? I was so confused when I noticed it lol.

 

[Pythag]

i interpreted kary's policy lynch on soup to mean "if you're going to be highly dramatic in this manner we should lynch you on principle"

did you still feel this is the case early d1? sounds to me like you think its about the claim

early d1 I was more convinced this was tvt.

regardless, I guess I viewed the claim as well as being wrapped up in the dramatic nature of soup's posting. as in, this lynch literally informs town the most.

For you to agree with it, and then the beginning of the day try to dodge out of it just made me curious.

You'd still rather vote lore instead of soup?

 

[ranmaru]

With the SOUP vote in mind, I would not be bothered by a ryker vote since it was wagoning and that's better than staying on an rvs vote. If Lore had done the same I wouldn't have a problem. My concern is him voting Pythag with a hypothetical and then going back to a simple joke vote. Ryker vote can lead to wagon which can lead to pressure which can lead to info, going back to voting you as a joke isn't as productive.

 

[Tom]

no, im hitched to ryker on soup. i dont feel total good about it but if i had bigger nuts id be ranmaru.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

With the SOUP vote in mind, I would not be bothered by a ryker vote since it was wagoning and that's better than staying on an rvs vote. If Lore had done the same I wouldn't have a problem. My concern is him voting Pythag with a hypothetical and then going back to a simple joke vote. Ryker vote can lead to wagon which can lead to pressure which can lead to info, going back to voting you as a joke isn't as productive.

this is a good answer

 

[ranmaru]

I don't remember sharing my nut size with you guys yet, but they are huge.

 

[Tom]

im reading Lore v Ran re soup around 1600 right now and then ill wrap up these notes

 

[Pythag]

Yo, I'm seriously so stoked to be playing mafia with all of you

 

[Tom]

hah he's mafia

 

[Pythag]

hah he's mafia

Nah man.

I'm just three sheets to the wind rn.

 

[Tom]

porque no los dos

 

[Pythag]

porque no los dos

เพราะว่าจริงๆนะผมไม่ใช่เป็นคนมาเฟีย

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Yo, I'm seriously so stoked to be playing mafia with all of you

same

i checked the social thread the other day n noticed something. in nearly a month itll b 10 years old

i wonder what happens after this game

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

yoooooooo real talk this game is lit bro

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Lore

can you describe to me how you came to originally vote soup by #227?

 

[Tom]

Day1-2 Reread Notes:
Tom

Spoiler

B R O W N I E T O W N I E

OrangeXhtml - Vanilla Townie

Spoiler

-#58: calls Lore’s #54 rolefishy. This seems to prove a mistake as comparisons to Doop are made.
-#325: Pushes on Ran’s Lore!scum!RVSvote-mover; doesn’t like Kary’s Lore v Soup wagons under “insufficient evidence” (seems to misunderstand competing wagons as driving discussion); Lore is gut!town; Fandango’s 218 on Soup’s “L-1 hammer” is good; doesn’t like Pythag’s transition from town!orange to scum!orange (OMGUS? legit?) and votes Pythag.
-#560: pythag is scum most likely not with lore.
-#987: big post vs pythag

#HBC | Kary - Vanilla Townie

Spoiler

-#104: Applies vote pressure to Soup immediately after the “hammer”
-#164: Let’s lynch between Lore and soup Day 1
-#190: calls out “scumbag Gorf” for liking #164 but not voting either.
-#207: clarifies to Ryker that he feels Lore/Soup is a good direction, no connection between them so early
-#208: asks Lore why Kary voted Soup - asking one of the two wagons to project about the other.
-#266: asks me why Gorf is good for now. I had no good reason.
-#285: asks me why I initially said Spak should hang and then decided he was fine.
-#316: lynch Soup first, if town lynch Lore, if scum ignore Lore. <--- did Kary die for this? In which direction?
-#323: as Pythag Spak=Doops around ‘negativity,’ Kary asks marshy&fandango if Pythag is scum with Lore. Marshy doesn’t answer, needs more time.
-#344: turns out Kary wanted to understand why marshy&fandango are questioning Pythag because Kary doesn’t see any reason Pythag is scum.
-#838: sheep!Lore
-#1054: if orange flip town, 100% cop Gorf
-1037: content, inc on gorf being scum

#HBC | ѕoup - has claimed Town Oracle

Spoiler

-#159: pushes at Ranmaru for calling Lore scum for moving his vote in RVS.
-#165: “Ranmaru is playing like Kary, Kary is playing like Kary, both obstinate and obtuse”
-#169 feels marshy is weird
-#192 weird post basically “I don’t think Kary/Ran scum read me as much as they want me to believe.”
-#194 follows up with weird post about passing judgement and absolving guilt.
-#261 illuminati?????
-#280: expresses frustration towards KevinM’s lack of explanation towards his scum!soup
-#284: implies town!Lore requires a lot of suspension of belief. Asks Pythag about Gorf’s Spak=Doop that Pythag agrees with.
-#302: in response to Gorf’s question of Soup-->Ran in #159, soup says its because Ran’s new style is a pain. I disagree with this but it is genuinely understandable. Ran is purposefully talking less - which can be hard to read - because he talked way too much last game - which was hard to read.
-#405: BTFO at me BIG FONTS continue into 413
-#421-423: el claimo. Gets his own flavor wrong.
-#431: reverses on Lore, unvotes - explains in #448 feels they got too emotional.
-#438: likes gorf for tone, FF for something
-#445: votes pythag
-#499: kary/pythag one has scum maybe both, both unassuming; maybe fan is scum; dont scumread orange
-#623: illuminati?????
-#642: stops AtE, starts reads; town: spak, lore (the two other wagons), gorf, ran.
-#654: Null: towm, kevin, ryker, frozen. Thinks i said i dont like when ppl call themselves town but that was pythag. Says FF entrance was fire… forgets Fandango
-#658: scum: kary, marshy, pythag
-#1082-1091: votes Lore as the option vs self. I actually like. But he townreads lore. Fanny points it out. Then soup says orange is a scumread town wont lynch - obv not true - and when fanny push this, soup makes no sense.
-1343: FF!scum-Gorf!scum

KevinM - Selfishly I’m glad that if soup!Oracle is true then Kevin will be solved.

Spoiler

-#214: “Cool with Lore or Soup” - calls Lore’s comments about getting out of RVS non-committal townie-look without being townie.
-#221-222: votes Soup, Lore is obtuse or scum and Soup is genuinely wtf. That’s pretty fair.
-#224: elaborates Soup can go for willingness to hammer lynch someone who hadn’t contributed.
-#268: cool with Spak giving Doop vibes
-#270: Lore feels like liability lynch always down for on D1, Soup is a more legitimate lynch, and Spak is somewhere in the middle.
-#309: in response to Soup, re-states #224
-#889: ive missed a number of kevins posts because theyre empty. Im going to start including them even when theyre empty, like this one, because they’re adding up to “isn’t reading” - only relevant if soup!scum
-#903: kary can go? But why?
-#908: “soup/lore could be dumb/dumb”
-#916: commentary on Ryker-soup is good tho
-#1203: onto Lore and not orange, doesnt mention orange when its L-1, still speaks of Soup v Lore…
-#1544: THIS FEELS LIKE KEVIN THO, shoots Fan from the hip. If kevin is townie this is like gold for me

Fandangox -

Spoiler

-#82, #89: asks me about Lore’s hypothetical
-#217: asks me Lore-Spak hypothetical
-#218: didn’t like Soup admitting not to look at votecount after almost thinking hammered Ryker
-#219: pushes back on Lore’s “I have a guess but I’d rather not say.”
-#228: calls Lore’s vote onto Soup opportunistic - seems fair.
-#231: asks Soup “if not marshy, who is scum?”
-#240: after Ryker also presses Lore on his Soup vote and votes Lore for it, Fandango does too completing the circle.
-#311: As Lore finally answers Kary’s question in #271, Fandangox pushes back that the hesitation really change the pressure on Soup at all. I feel both can be true and it’s pretty interpretive so I’m null.
-#312: Asks Soup for read list
-#313: says Pythag’s vote on inactive FF is weak - can always request prod. Why not pursue elsewhere?
-#326: in respones to Kary’s Pythag!scum-Lore!scum, says their interactions are suspect on Lore scumflip
-#374: if lore flip scum, lore-pythag early game is sus
-#420: votes soup for BTFO
-#671: kary is town for reading
-#1246 - i seriously jumped almost 600 posts before i got a fanny post i felt the need to comment on. And fanny has been super active so this is just a gut but why does my brain feel you are empty contributing.
-#1254: but then fan is correct about gorf spearheading orange lynch which i remember thinking was a weird swerve around me but then now on reread i know is totally correct.
-1317: misconstrues ryker’s eod1? Why tho? His comprehension has been on point all game
-1439: WITH THE GOODS THO

#HBC | Ryker -

Spoiler

-#172: proposes to Kary: Lore/Soup SvT or both?
-#196: votes Soup after Kary’s #190, agreeing to propose Lore/Soup.\
-#199-200: Pretty simple explanation
-#215: explains to Lore that his question to Kary about Kary’s direction doesn’t mean they’re the “only” lynches possible
-#260: he calls himself “perfectly complacent with the game at the moment,” and I think that’s a nutshell.
-#233: after Fandangox calls out Lore’s Soup-vote in 228, Ryker also calls it out.
-#238: votes Lore.
-#479: why do i both vibe with this and hate it
-#548: if kevin give him gat, shoots lore. At that time im same and im lazy so
-#780: if soup!town, marshy sussy
-#812: vote lore, on soup wag in spirit
-#1296: hang soup. At this point i am hitching myself to ryker on this and this post helps me let go on soup. I feel it has to happen. Then 1297 ryker legit points 1296 at me.
-#1347: vote lore, on soup wag in spirit
-#1369: ran v ryker on subject of soup evolves into ran v ryker on subject of orange’s case on pythag. Ryker is correct in that the case was garbage and soup ate the garbage. Continues to 1373.

#HBC | marshy -

Spoiler

-#255: marshyvLore in one of Lore’s “misunderstandings”
-#258: asks Gorf’s take on Ryker and Spak. Asks Ryker about his vote on Lore.
-#317: asks pythag to break down development of Lore-Spak TvT becoming a Spak vote after Gorf’s Spak=Doop case. Also asks of Pythag feels about Gorf. - these are purposeful questions with a linked thru line and not just random ****
-#345: gorf prolly town if spak flips scum = fair. Marshy doesn’t like Spak, felt reachy & dismissive
-#484: slaps that vote on soup, #489 explains “for being all over the place, i was patient, he give nonsense”
-#512: accusing ryker of mischaracterizing marshy for lecturing soup
-#627: gorf pushing spak is reasonable
-#675-677: shade at soup
-#1028: if soup flip townie clap lore
-#1029: vig soup suggestion. I hadnt thought of it at this point.
-#1035: spak did himself no favors townie!reading the other two wagons. Marshy feels scum ! soup or lore
-#1077: FF-soup connex?
-#1243: ask soup why he starts off voting FF as opposed to pythag, what happened to “white hot FF start”

#HBC | Gorf -

Spoiler

-#263: expresses praise towards Ranmaru’s #146 that Lore and Soup are scum.
-#264: asks why soup is poking ranmaru in #159
-#265: responding to marshy: Ryker is good, Spak = doop. Votes Spak.
-#300: laments that instead of soup answering his #264 about ran, SoupvLore happened.
-#307: As soup has responded in #302, still wants to know what sort of depth Ran could have on page 4.
-#566: soup null-town, uses gay as a slur which is not cool
-#575: this post could age poorly, but then elaborates 577
-#578: heh… heh… heh…
-#688 fuxk i dont want to read this eyes glaze… at the end i agree soup townreading other top wagons is hard to deal with
-#762 lynchpool spak>lore/pythag>soup
-#828: pushes orange hard and its not a good look but im not sure what it means
-#882: pushes orange
-#926: entertains ISO on pythag. #932 calls pythag noobtown
-#1103: hard on orange
-#1262: now that orange flips town, gorf feels bad man but stands by pythag!town
-#1276: gut town read on FF due “how he went about the soup lynch”...? Does this contradict other gorf stances on FF? Do i agree with how FF went about the soup lynch? Is this weird? Town reads ran tho and i think i do too
-#1541: THE GOODS pre-reread

Pythag

Spoiler

-#123: says he would kill me.
-#173 asks soup & marshy empty questions
-#203: asks Fandangox what he thinks of Soup
-#273: expresses dislike of Lore’s “HBC MEME” #227 vote on Soup. Says it would have been better just to vote the other competing wagon out of verbal survival. Expresses dislike of Fandango’s vote on Lore? Or is he talking about Lore’s #236 like Fandango is? Expresses agreement w Gorf that Spak = Doop. Then votes Frozenflame out of the blue eliciting questions from Lore and Kevin.
-#277: vote on FF is due to inactivity
-#303: explains Spak=Doop as Doop being negative to marshy, marshy calling JTB scum for being negative, Doop and JTB were both scum, sees similarities to Spak’s play, likes Gorf’s direction, needs to chew on it more.
-#308: empty comment on Lore v Soup being awful, says he’s put in a position where he has to trust HBC for reads on them both. Is this detachment from ownership of opinion? Or is it legit? Depends if Pythag acts on it and excuses himself with it later.
-#321: to marshy, explains the ‘negativity’ and Spak = Doop, but Gorf is null.
-#389: vote orange, Fan is scummy for opportunism - misreads Fan’s words
-#997: im towmie, FF is town tho?, wants orange lynched bad (WIFOM?)
-#1111: scum: orange and fando; town: tom, kary, ryker; nulls the lot
-#1195: did pythag really OMGUS orange into the grave all day 1
-#1645: pythag you should realize you’re soon to be on the chopping block when some of these guys start flipping. You think Lore is town???
-#1680: hmm? More on Lore being townie - if ran thinks soup is town, and soup thinks lore is town, ran must think lore is town? Can’t ran think soup is town but WRONG about lore? Are you scum?
why you town read me all game but then can't help me clear anyone else

#HBC | FrozeηFlame -

Spoiler

-#354: shades Gorf hard for public “was scum town now” post; votes Orange
-#356: early read list
-#369: Kevin > Ryker > Tom scumminess order doesnt match 356 at all
-#664: buys soup claim, kneejerk townie
-#723: ryker is too convinced soup is scum?
-#1021: lore brash townie or scum; reps Gorf’s attitude on soup!problem, Lore & Orange top two (i was right there too)
-#1140/1151//1156/1201 aggro on me thats that ish i dont like. Major scum!mac feel. Am i wrong??

ranmaru -

Spoiler

-#146: Lore and Soup are scum.
-#154: Lore is scum for moving his vote in RVS?
-#305: Asks Soup why he tilted in #174. Calls Lore’s #227 grimy. Likes Lore wagon over Soup.
-#327-333: “moving RVS vote means not interested in scum hunting but socializing, but i might be wrong, soup shouldnt be an option,” AGREES with Gorf’s Spak=Doop, VOTES SPAK; giving Soup benefit of the doubt for being on Spak but starting to feel wrong;, #331 says Soup has good reads as town but gains flak, doesnt attract attention as scum. Is this correct? Is this scum!Ran justifying scum!Soup? Says doesn’t care about almost hammer; says Spak shaded Lore after I did.
-Questions Orangexhtml #334-343 and doesn’t approve of answers.
-#459: wants orange lynched.
-#500: if soup flips scum, look at lore; 511: feels lore is forcing scum!Ran-scum!soup
-#574: reiterates lynch the soup, if soup flip scum then lynch the lore. Also said spak scum tho
-#748: three steps to why soup is scum
-#763 vote orange after gorf proposes it
-#970 elaborates to FF about soups asplosion@me
-#1064-1066: if soup flip town, look into FF
-#1229: of orange wagon, pythag looks worst, FF second worst - i agree
-#1264: vote Lore, says soup’s choice of kev and not a lynch target make sense. I agree.
-#1348: soup is town, PR choice makes sense…. I can’t blame ran for feelign this way. I might be doing this in a different world… but im not and so maybe that mean something i dunno fuuuuuuck. Ryker pushes back in 1352 and i feel like i understand them both

Lore - asks questions, agrees, backs away, asks question, digs in hard, backs away, asks questions, agrees, backs away

Spoiler

-#54: Hypothetical 1 towards Pythag. Provides Pythag with a super weird false dilemma.
-#59: explains in response to Orange that he wanted to end RVS and he doesn’t know how to D1.
-#131: Asks me “so hypotheticals in general aren’t good?” Is he projecting mentor onto me?
-#195: A lot of “my mistake,” “thanks for the explanation,” “makes sense,” a lot of agreeing to answers to Pythag, marshy, Ryker. Attitude towards Ranmaru is opposite.
-#197: “I didn’t realize it was a Lore V Soup situation at all.” to Ryker’s #172 to Kary.
-#201: LorexRyker on “words in Kary’s mouth” about the Soup v Lore opposing wagons being the “only lynches” This could possibly be manufactured misunderstanding to create discussion, but it definitely doesn’t help Lore in any way to do so.
-#212: Notably doesn’t answer Kary’s question about why Kary voted Soup
-#216: LorexRyker “that makes sense, thanks,” finally understands Ryker-Kary competing-wagon discussion.
-#227: votes Soup “I just realized HBC is the easiest cover for scum to quick lynch”
-#271: Now answers Kary’s question about why Kary voted Soup - explains that Lore’s answer is that “Ryker said early game votes don’t need reasons, and answering in this way would have deflated the meaning of those early game votes on Soup.” Explains this is also why Lore joined the Soup wagon, to continue to apply pressure WITH Kary and Ryker. - I think I buy this.
-#272: to marshy: “your explanation makes sense.” Continues to find Soup’s “L-1 hammer” suspicious. Asks KevinM about being a liability lynch to him - argues that Lore’s meta makes him a policy lynch and doesn’t reflect alignment, asks how to improve irrelevant to alignment.
-#530: OMGRANMARUS or scum!ran
-#690 is the list
-#777: DONT LIKE THIS. i did castlevania meme him for it tho.
-#823: this dude never entertains my challenge of town!soup does he… #853 he does but it isnt much.
HUGE JUMP LOL
-#1589-1590: feels like having his cake and eating it too vs ranmaru on soup wagon. Feels like painting ran as scum with inconsistency galore

Tom
Ranmaru
Ryker
KevinM
Fandango
Marshy
Gorf
Pythag
Frozen
Soup
Lore

If Soup flips town and Kevin flips town, Fandango drops fast, pending Kevin's soul-read
If Soup flips town and Kevin flips scum, your team owes it to me to take me out of this world
If Soup flips town, Marshy drops, Ryker drops
If Soup flips scum, Gorf drops, FF stays at bottom
If Lore flips scum, Pythag drops

NOTES:
Soup v Lore occupies: #227-256-272-281-282-283-286-287-289-290-293-294-295-296-297-298, then….. If they’re both town, and we lynch them Day 2 and 3, the fault lies here as does the lesson. This is a huge bickering discussion about absolutely nothing but what it does do is cement their opposing wagons early game and lasts forever.


“Spak is Doop”
G Gorf : I feel your #265 analogy of Spak being Doop is incredibly grokkable but not necessarily meaningful and is a really bad look. This is going to burden you all game in my eyes and it’s not even something I’m doing actively.
KevinM : Likewise #268 aged poorly.


Questions to answer:

if lore/soup were both dead and i gave you a gun to shoot someone who would you go and why?

FF or Pythag. Feel bad about them both and they’ve got some connections by now.

tom do you still think lore is lynchbait

I called him Lynchbait Lore mostly because every game he’s lynchbait even if he’s scum

So yes

Questions to ask:

Pythag : In your #123 in early Day 1 you said that you would kill me. Later in Day 1 and into Day 2 you have cited me primarily as one of your main, if not your main, town read. I know what you said in your #136. But what changed?


#HBC | marshy : Can you answer Kary’s #323 now? Is Pythag scum with Lore?


KevinM can you drop that hit on Fandango now?

 

[Tom]

good night

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

guess im putting my reread on pause

 

[Pythag]

Pythag : In your #123 in early Day 1 you said that you would kill me. Later in Day 1 and into Day 2 you have cited me primarily as one of your main, if not your main, town read. I know what you said in your #136. But what changed?

I mean, it was early. I didn't like that you and marsh (and other people) were upset at lore's hypotheticals.
It didn't seem right to me, last game there were a few questions I feel asking 'who would you vig and why' and I don't get how that's different than what lore was doing, though he was more wordy.

marshy was at me too, when I asked about Lore's play, by saying it was 'too complicated' but straight up I think anything that's anything to talk about, gets us out of RVS. That didn't strike me as a big red flag, but both of you hopped on saying lore was like, way to awkard and srs.

As you played, you were sheeping kevin and later you emerged from your chrysalis. I was ok with all those things, mostly because I was ok with kevin, and your play read more and more townie to me, especially during D2.

Who do you want me to help you town read?

As for lore, I truly don't see how everyone can't see the comparison in his play style.

Did you see the case on spak last game? Lore wrote for pages on a Spak not answering or rather, half answering an unasked question by me. And lore and spak turned out to be town. Lore's attitude and play seem to be a townie that is absolutely convinced of his read.

Does his treatise on Ran not remind you of that?

 

[Tom]

Pythag - compare Lore in this game and previous game to Lore in Tomafia 4. What's the visible difference in how he plays Scum v Town? Which do you think he's closer to this game, in behavior?

Pythag - help me with marshy

 

[ranmaru]

Tom How did Lore play in Tomafia 4? How does his play here compare. You can answer after Pythag responds of course.

 

[Pythag]

Pythag - compare Lore in this game and previous game to Lore in Tomafia 4. What's the visible difference in how he plays Scum v Town? Which do you think he's closer to this game, in behavior?

I'll go reread Tomafia. From what I remember Lore gave the appearance of being helpful, without ever actually being helpful.


Pythag - help me with marshy[/QUOTE]
Man, I'm stuck on him. I really really want him to be town. He's been asking interesting questions, but I'm still stuck on his reaction to soup.

specifically these two posts :

1035

1059

the first one, I don't know why you would assume scum would kill an oracle. That seems like it only benefits town. Unless he's referring to town would lynch him.

the second one...if there's actual doubt, I don't totally know why he would voice this. Gorf called him out saying "then vote orange." It just hit me as weird.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

grokkable but not necessarily meaningful

can you elaborate? i understand @ the rest of it tho

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

so i wanted to try a different rereading style going into my full reread of d1-d2. im gonna abandon this style because, while it is incredibly thorough and helps me get a strong read for the finer interactions (which i will still hold onto for my final current thoughts)... its taking me long as ****

this is a full on summarization of nearly every single post up to #286, which is essentially when the descent to madness took place in the thread.

Spoiler

__________Marshy:



#39 Rvs (vote soup)

#40 What a champ for that dgames mafia bingo board

#60 Jokingly moves vote (vote ryker)

#61 Asks spak how lores rvs question is role fishy, asks fandangox an open ended question about two people not svs that early on

#62 Tells lore that rvs solves itself, it doesn’t need to be forced out

#88 Answers fannys question about asking about his question @ him

#125 (vote lore)

#127 Says soup is weird for pivoting to a meme from reasoning on spak 6 minutes prior

#140 Explains lore vote, says 2nd hypo feels contrived, continued engagement with paythag is weird, etc. all of it seems pretty solid, and marshy KNOWS lore is lynchbait.

#147 Meta reference to justify that lore is capable of acting like he has as scum. Argues gains as scum > gains as town for lores play

#150 Asks ryker if hes giving lores play botd

#152 acknowledges pythags poke for his read on soups ryker vote thing

#155 doesn’t wanna put credence on a hammer “tell”

#177 explains what “organically” means to pythag

#178 lil flex, wants clarity from soup of what “potent” means

#254 rans not actively scummy and hes not worried about him

#255 lore twisting his words (and he was)

#258 what is gorfs take on ryker and spak, asking ryker why he gave lore botd before and is voting him and being complacent now

#259 wants soup to explain what he found weird about marshy





__________Ryker:



#41 Rvs (vote ff)

#133 Thinks lore weirdness is standard

#137 “wtf soup” but tongue-in-cheek

#139 Prods tom and ff cuz he defaults to scum reads on them, wants them to weigh in on soup voting him and how hes sidelined lore/spak

#141 Talks about “who would you kill/save” lore question

#142 Questioning marshys read on lore

#161 gives lore botd

#171 wtf soup

#172 does kary want soup AND lore, or OR?

#188 expresses personal concern with reading tom

#196 (vote soup) expresses approval of karys posture of the field

#199 clarifies the kary approval thing to lore

#200 funny post saying he just likes the two competing wagons

#202 justifies the liking wagons cuz it makes people vote rather than trying to absolutely have a surefire case for every single player this early

#215 ughhh lore

#233 questions lores reason for soup vote

#238 (vote lore)

#249 (vote soup)

#250 cosign tom readlist



__________Soup:



#42 Rvs (vote pythag)

#57 Says weird **** is in lores wheelhouse Tom wrt lores weird rvs post

#63 Points out that oranges werekill call out was more inclined for explanation compared to tom

#99 Soup clarifies that he thinks oranges way of speaking is safe looking, “if lore is weird, spak is weirder”

#100 Joke hammers ryker (vote ryker)

#102 “if I hammered ryker WHOOPS”

#105 Spak “if lores post is null why are you still talking about it?”

#106 (unvote)

#114 “Spaks tone reminds me of how scum make non-arguments for the sake of credibility”

#117 Keeps talking about how spaks tone is weird (point at 113)

#119 Mentions… some sort of grievance about spak

#135 “I just like to clown” @ marshy ryker vote inquiry

#138 Defensive of being called out for ryker hammer joke

#145 Tryna call out ran for liking posts and not posting

#148 Slight to ran’s playstyle

#151 asks ran if hell “explain his thought process further about him/lore” for the vote ran wants

#153 calling out lore?

#158 ******** at ran for playing close to his chest despite saying it before the game started

#165 kary omgus without the vote

#167 gets null vibes ultimately from ran, recanting spak sus and feeling comfortable with lore, wishes there were better things to talk about (but hes been the one talking about it, p hypocritical)

#178 explains potent to marshy, asks him about ran read

#192 thinks ran and kary are bluffing

#194 blubbers an expansion on the above

#223 salty about being constantly labeled as an ate-er.

#225 imgeou marshy, but doesn’t say what direction he thinks town should go. Just that its not good.

#256 spews at lore for thinking soup was serious with ryker hammer

#257 disagree with ryker

#261 takes another chance to be coy about being read as scum

#280 addresses kevinm and voices confusion on why his play is ****ing bad

#281 ****in going to town on the fact that he wasn’t ****ing serious about the ryker hammer

#283 the descent to madness truly begins

#284 had agreement with pythags lore v spak tvt thing, but now doesn’t really starting to shade lore formally. Doesn’t read gorfs spak argument, asks pythag about it



__________town!Orange:



#43 Rvs (vote kevinm)

#50 responds jokingly to kevs rvs vote of him.

#58 Chimes in on lores rvs hypothetical is “role fishy,” “very oddly specific and sorta out of nowhere”)

#93 Overcomplicates himself with explaining why he thought the lore question was weird, winds up admitting it

#96 Says lores post felt pressure-y, but hes conceding to it being null

#101 Justifies dialog with lore to soup

#107 “I just wanted to ball up son”

#113 ughhh



__________Ran:



#44 Rvs (vote gorf)

#111 (vote lore) w/ lore gorf rvs quote

#146 lore and soup are scum

#149 asks soup and fanny to vote

#191 why is soup focused on ran’s like and not gorf’s like kary pointed out



__________KevinM:



#45 Rvs (vote spak)

#48 ****in around with tom ryker and marshy

#75 5000% confirmed town

#214 approval of lore v soup. Doesn’t like how they played the game thus far, doesn’t like lore “tryna get out of rvs,” tryna fake showing off being a townie

#221 (vote soup)

#222 reaffirms lore vs soup, lore might be dumb-or-scum, soup is all out wtf

#224 down to lynch soup, cant tell if reason is a joke or not

#268 agrees that spak gives off doop vibes

#270 lore>spak>soup less scummy>more scummy

#275 Pythag why ff





__________Tom:



#47Rvs (vote spak), buddying kevin(?) but tongue-in-cheek feel.

#56 Says lores hypothetical is weird as ****. Which it was.

#72 Tom is very funny (calling himself town)

#84-85 Gives explanation for lores rvs hypothetical being weird to fanny, but agrees that simply really weird [++tom]

#124 Tells Kary he pokes lore to see if hes being weird or just being himself, justifies lore discontent

#180 explaining AGAIN what he thought was weird about lore post (lol), annoyed by soup, lynch spak and lore as well as soup

#183 more little kevin buddy

#242 really harps on about lore hypo q weirdness but calls it null. More interested in ryker v lore in 201 and 205

#244 slight kevin buddy (vote lore) doesn’t feel that strongly about the soup ate thing

#245 readlist

#251 spak read is *shrug* chillin





__________FF:



#51 Rvs (vote ryker) funny/snide comment about how jtb got away with being scummy



__________Pythag:



#52 Rvs (vote ryker)

#53 ****s w ryker about hopping on his own wagon.

#55 Answers lore’s hypothetical.

#123 Answers lore’s second hypothetical: states tom soup as “kill” and marshy and spak as “save”

#136 Very much confused as to why lore is pointing out weird things and just says its “pick two scum two town,” and he did, and lists his reasons.

#144 Asks marshy about soup’s ryker vote

#168 push at soup to give more interesting things to talk about

#169 calls marshys lore push easy, says rykers response is better (but admits to confirmation bias)

#173 asks marshy to elaborate on what he means by “organic” wrt his lore callout

#184 disagrees with lore v spak having scum in it.

#203 beckons for fanny and asks him about soup

#273 really doesn’t like lores vote on soup, fannys vote on lore + reasons for his lore and soup stances, rethinks his initial thoughts on spak… (vote ff)

#277 misreads lore or some **** lmfao, makes firm reason why hes voting ff: hes posted once, and likes that less than the things he dislikes from people who have posted

#279 lore clarity



__________Fandangox:



#67 Intro

#81 Answers marshy non svs question with “idk el oh el” and asks “why ask me this” because of his lore rvs push stance

#82 Asks tom about weirdness in lore post

#89 Prods tom on why even ask the lore question

#91-92 Sup gorf, tells marshy he just doesn’t have an answer to his question

#217 asks tom what he makes of lore post weird rvs hypothetical

#218 soup null ate, doesn’t like his ryker vote scenario

#220 pressing soup about what is he doing if he just doesn’t like the way the Day has progressed so far

#228 doesn’t like lores soup vote

#231 asks soup AGAIN what he thinks town should do

#235 baffled that lore is just now coming to this

#230 (vote lore) doesn’t like soups ryker almost hammer, but dislikes lores vote for soup even more

#247 doesn’t find lore v ryker interesting, wants lore to answer karys question, wants to know toms read on spak



__________Gorf:



#68 Rvs (vote ryker)

#70 Clown at marshy bingo board

#86 Comment about ff rvs vote, sup fanny, makes gurren lagann joke to kary

#262 self-acknowledgement of being town

#264 asks soup why hes poking at ran, says lore is posting a lot of things worth scrolling past

#265 (vote spak) spak=doop, fux wit the lore read but doesn’t feel like reading him, doesn’t want people to just needlessly ride off lore/spak as not svs for no reason





__________town!Kary:



#71 Rvs (vote ryker) (4 votes, l-3)

#77 Asking lore about moving vote in rvs

#87 Tom how are you reading lore this game?

#104 (vote soup)

#164 vocalizes lore vs soup

#166 soup is talking nonsense

#187 wants to know why soup is grouping him and ran

#190 calling out gorf for liking the post about lynching between lore and soup

#192 soup are you not afraid of my scumread on you?

#207 answers ryker, likes the dichotomy and doesn’t wanna think of connections etc

#208 asks lore why kary voted for soup

#210 justifies wagons

#266 questions toms gorf read

#285 asks about toms shift from lynch spak to spak is fine



__________Lore:



#54 Rvs (vote pythag),(says its not rvs, but its rvs) asked pythag dumb hypothetical.

#59 Immediately shrugs about the hypothetical and conceding that he doesn’t know how to do d1

#64 Concedes to marshys response being fair

#74 (vote gorf) playing along with rvs joke

#78 Tells kary his gorf vote is him redoing rvs

#94 Addresses spaks overexplanation and explains a couple of things he finds off about it, as well as with tom

#109 Keep prodding orange

#110 Tells soup spaks tone is null, but his points feel forced. Asks kary to expound on soup vote

#112 Asks why ran is voting him

#115 Understands spak to an extent, tells soup spak was def talking like this last game

#118 Clarifies spak read to soup

#120 Dumb hypothetical AGAIN to pythag

#122 Flustered at lack of activity I guess

#131 Continues on with pythag inquiry for some ****ing reason

#179 addresses possibly accidentally cheating by seeing pythag despite him being invisible, explaining engagement with him in particular?

#195 concedes to pythags answers, defends his posing a hypothetical in earnest. But tries refuting marshys scumread

#197 asks kary for soup read reason, asks what ryker means be “lore v soup svt,” doesn’t like when people say “im town”

#198 wants to get why people are voting soup

#201 doesn’t like that ryker or kary are “seeing up only two lynches” or whatever

#205 begrudgingly accepts his fate as a wagonee lmfao

#212 confused about rykers stance on the wagon thing, and doesn’t wanna guess why kary voted for soup

#216 im dumb thx

#227 ****ing strange hop to the soup wagon (vote soup)

#234 really doesn’t know what he needs to take seriously or not in mafia, and why.

#236 conspiracy theory lore

#241 defends his conspiracy theory

#271 answers fannys question about lore saying why kary voted soup: thought it was pressure, but now agrees with the wagon

#272 concedes to marshys explanation about his stance on lore, doubles down on soup vote conspiracy theory, blames playstyle as possible reason why he might be a liability lynch

#274 reasonable answer to pythags inquiry, asks about why hes voting ff there

#278 lore takes the time to really clarify what hes saying about his playstyle and vote etc

#282 LORES REASONING FOR THINKING SOUPS RYKER HAMMER WAS SCUMMY: “SCUM COULD EASILY FAKE A SERIOUS QUICKHAMMER UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING A NONSERIOUS ‘MEME’ QUICK HAMMER.” (saying this right now, if soup is ****ing scum I am in absolute shock and awe that you ****ing caught scum by 227 for what I consider to be absurd reasons. But congrats on finding scum lmfao)

 

[Pythag]

Tom

I'm about halfway through Tomafia right now, and I would say that:

Scum!Lore is incredibly accommodating.
He wants to be liked and accepted by town. (man, d1 sucks guiz!)
He's giving out advice for both mafia and town, handing it out free of charge and prompting. It seems to be under the guise of "I want a good game."

Town!Lore in previous game : Tunneling and convinced. Interaction with town is incredulous when they don't find the same things scummy. See : UP and Spak interactions.

This current lore hasn't really done anything to win the hearts and minds of the townies, he's certainly frustrated at us. I would say the difference is this

scum!lore is a used car salesmen asking : how can I make you feel good about this lynch?

whereas town!lore is a doomsday prophet - everyone hears, no one listens.

I'll keep reading.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Finally got through Tom's notes and I love having those. I had forgotten how much I didn't like Lore's D1. Reading through them is a wonder for things to go back and look at myself.

That said Tom , can I get summaries for where you stand at the culmination of your notes (good/bad). I can combine them with your readlist and get most of the way there, but getting a feel for how heavily you're weighting some of these actions compared to others would be very nice.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

And then Gorf posts the same style of post since I have last refreshed. One moment.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Worse formatting made that harder to read, but I still like getting stuff like that.

Still waiting on Gorf to get through where the **** hit the fan.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

it was a full on copy paste of the word draft. wouldve prob formatted it better if i finished it

 

[Lore]

#282 LORES REASONING FOR THINKING SOUPS RYKER HAMMER WAS SCUMMY: “SCUM COULD EASILY FAKE A SERIOUS QUICKHAMMER UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING A NONSERIOUS ‘MEME’ QUICK HAMMER.” (saying this right now, if soup is ****ing scum I am in absolute shock and awe that you ****ing caught scum by 227 for what I consider to be absurd reasons. But congrats on finding scum lmfao)

Still a bit unsober, but I now have a tin foil theory.

Gorf has been making jokes all along that he's actually scum, making jokes about trying to beat town, etc. Soup is likely to flip scum, and Gorf in this scenario used this post to low-key congratulate me on finding one of his scum mates early.


No I don't take the above tin foil theory serious lmao. I'm just saying it now so that if we get to the end of the game and it's true, I can say I called it.

 

[Pythag]

How the heck are none of y’all asleep?

 

[Lore]

Also while doing FF14 grinding, I had an epiphany.

When Ranmaru was arguing with me, he kept repeating the semantic argument. Over and over, changing his definition and arguments with some of (in my opinion) the worst, most inconsistent arguments that I've seen in a while. Dude was literally quoting posts as "evidence" that contradicted what he was saying in his own posts. And this happened multiple times.

So we have two possibilties. We have a town player who, knowing his own context for posts but playing way too close to the chest, makes repeated arguments that to him make sense, but to everyone outside his own head they make no sense.

OR we have scum that was dumb enough to self contradict repeatedly, with zero understanding of his own contradictions. Not to mention the absolutely baffling points he would bring up.


I respect Ran's intelligence enough to recognize that he's probably not scum, for now. I still do find many of his posts strange, along with his sudden drop from Soup EoD1. I also find his lack of pushing Marshy to be weird. But in terms of the contradictions, I need to just take them as null.

Unvote

Vote: Soup

Ran is still null-but-leaning-scum, but I don't have nearly enough to reasonably vote him. Soup is back to being my top pick; my small doubts of Scum!Soup came from the strength of my Ran scum read. Now that's gone.

 

[Lore]

And with that, I sleep. Later dudes.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Alright guys finally caught up. Not the deepest dive in the world but I read everything and just quoted every post that caught my attention, hopefully all of my commentary here gives yall a good sense of where Im at

#HBC | Ryker I think Pythag looks the worst, and Frozen the Second worst on the wagon. Pythag for voting on only stating that FF's post was solid, and FF for voting in agreement with Marshy but at the same time, stating that my previous page of posts were 'bland' which I feel was not a fair assessment of my play there. I don't think Frozen and Pythag are aligned so I would think Pythag is more likely.

This is a shockingly bad take. Second worst on the wagon in what ****ing world and on what basis? How do I possibly look worse than the people who were wishy washy all day and joined near EoD? I was on the orange wagon early and stayed there because newsflash, I thought the slot was a good ****ing play, I didn't just do "oh well guess this the wagon we're doing guess I'll vote" non-committal bull**** to be able to seal a mislynch but not look responsible for it

On the other hand, why would he claim oracle, as he literally only becomes useful to town when he's lynched?
I don't get why everyone wanted to kill an oracle claim before they even get to do anything, that doesn't make much sense to me. So I'm about to go relook what happened post claim

This is a pretty decent point, oracle is a very low stakes PR for a high risk fake claim. scum!soup is better served risking getting counterclaimed by a more potent role and at minimum in an alternate universe where we lynched soup day 1 and he turned out to be scum, scum now have ez pickings on his CCer and/or forces town to jail to keep the PR alive thus neutering it. Soup's play hasn't been great I'm not gonna argue with that but like the claim makes no sense as a scum move imo. Claiming oracle doesn't give us a reason to let him live beyond making his one selection and after he does so it puts even more pressure on his slot to flip to get us the info from it. Like seriously from a scum perspective a fake oracle claim is room temp IQ ****. Maybe scum!soup just didn't think about what he was doing at all and yolo claimed it without actually weighing it against other possible fake claims but yeah, not what I'm feeling here

This is literally why he chose it. He was more likely to have town keep him alive for at least one day, if not more if he pulled it off right. Some town could decide not to lynch "and leave him to scum to kill".

At worst, he gets to get a power role exposed and CCing him. At best, he lives for multiple days. It was the best role to choose for a fake claim.

You make it sound like we dont learn anything from soup being left alive for 2 nights, as well as his claimed target. And how does your second line here not apply in equal or greater force to other more potent town PRs that could possibly take multiple info generating night actions if left alive for multiple nights? This take is gross af

Votecount:

Soup (4): Marshy, Ryker, Lore, Pythag
FrozenFlame(1): Soup
Lore(1): Ranmaru

Not Voting(5): Kevinm, Tom, Fandangox, Gorf, FrozenFlame

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in ~75.5 hours from this post

This initial soup wagon made me want to ****ing puke, guarantee there are scum in that group of 4. My gut tells me maybe two. Best guess would be Ryker and Lore. When I saw this initially I felt real bad about marshy but his later stuff this day phase has made me feel better about the slot. Ryker continues to slowly drop for me for reasons I'll expand on later and pythag continues to be a big fat ? for me, definitely one of the most confusing slots to read this game imo. This early wagon just ****in reeks of scum trying to pidgeonhole our choices today by anchoring us to a "soup wagon or one alternative" dichotemy by forcing focus around soup with early pressure to make it seem like his wagon is a foregone conclusion

Vote Lore

Will DEFINITELY go back to Soup, but I don't want cheeky votes to pile up and quicklynch him.

This is grime af. Honestly I saw the Lore vote and got all pumped that you were making a redemption move after deepthroating the ****ty ass early soup wagon but then your follow up comment ruined it. Literally screams consciousness of guilt, like you knew how ****ing bad that quick build up on the soup wagon was and didn't want your ****ing hand in the cookie jar when people caught on to how shady it was that it had so much momentum early. "I'm not trying to push a quicklynch guys I swear look how responsible Im being while at the same time let me signal how willing I am to jump right back on when literally anyone gives me a good reason to." Like ****in yikes bro

#HBC | marshy without a strong reread, it just seemed like Ryker was really taking a back seat earlier.

Last game he popped in like a tornado to get everyone voting on something. He was a force.

He didn't show that really until later in the day.

I can snoop around, for quotes if you like, but that's mainly the impression I'm working with.

I feel this. My growing scumread on ryker is mostly coming from the fact that Ryker is perfectly content to sit around and talk about how he wants the direction of the game to shift but then literally doesn't do anything to make it happen. Particularly poignant was his EoD commentary yesterday when he jabbed at me for being his antithesis. Like he was mad at me for suggesting waiting for other people to rally last minute was a lost cause. But then there was no follow up. No effort to rally anyone or turn a fading wagon around. He just expressed disagreement/discontent and then zero follow up. That's not town!Ryker in my book.

why havent you pushed anyone hard/cased anyone? wheres the bite?

why hav you been asking permission to push/wagon ppl?

somewhat related to the above but why so laidback in general? i saw you say you wanted me/kevin/ff to play harder but does that not apply to you as well?

why the asking kevin for direction and me for questions? i get were all tight but i didnt see this last game

what has you doubting a soup lynch to the degree that you are?

do you have concerns/qualms lore might b lynchbait again?

if lore/soup were both dead and i gave you a gun to shoot someone who would you go and why?

in general do you feel like you hav any vibes as to how scum are approaching this game? like do you think theyre inactive/subdued, at the forefront, something else, a mix, etc.

My read on marshy was fading into scum territory as well until I saw this post. If this is faked as scum like ****in bravo dude but idk this seems like the most legit illustration of actual scumhunting going on in your head than any other post made by anyone this game. Like these questions are real af

this is interesting looking back. i definitely didnt agree with those having a stark confidence on the oracle claim being a lie. even now i think its worth considering the possibility that its true. but i do definitely think its believable that a townie thats been playing bad (which frozen clearly thinks lore has) could have that sort of stark confidence.

ryker has stark confidence in it too so im curious how frozen will treat ryker later regarding it

Funny you bring this up because Lore and ryker both sound like great ****ing lynches to me right now. Ryker for reasons stated above but I see your point here re: Lore and ryker being consonant in the unwarranted confidence department

Page 10 of the reread going to just throw **** out there and see where my heads at.

Orange dying looks ****ing terrible for Ran

I think right now I could see Lore/Ran being a thing if that’s a thing your last scum is Pythag/Fandingo/Tom.

God all of Rans interactions in the first ten pages are bad though.

Same honestly goes for Fandingo, he isn’t committing to a single read but he’s also pressuring Soup for a read least.

If we default to Soup/Lore today I think it looks something like

Soup
Marshy
Gorf

Lore
Ran
Hard to Call

I don’t know what to think of FF but what he’s uncomfortable of in those first few pages especially the WIFOM gorf posts rings true with what I didn’t like. I hate his reads list though it rings so safe


Ryker laying back is always a null tell for me because he plays the game at his own pace no matter what the state of the game is but I will say the more I look at his initial reaction of the almost mislynch the more I dislike it... but that doesn’t necessarily ring as bad to me.

For what it’s worth I think the most important interactions driven by who we know is town at this point:

Kary being suspicious of Tom and Marshy
FF jumping suspiciously quick on the Orange Wagon
Literally all of Ran

Next ten pages I’m reading now I’ll see if I feel differently about the web I’ve got here

I don't think I've agreed more with any other post this entire game. This post is ****ing glorious and I cosign all of it. Like even tho you **** on me a little here its like perfectly ****ing warranted and I can tell you're puzzled by a lot of the same **** that's puzzling me. Like you hating my read list because its safe is actually a legit af callout because I definitely wasn't making any bold reads at the time so its an appropriate callout. You should note that I wasn't hesitating to commit to a wagon tho, like my reads were mostly lukewarm but I told yall who I was down to lynch and didn't ****ing flip flop. Totally agreed that Ran is brutally rough slot to sort right now. Fandingo's EoD presence yesterday reads grimier and grimier every time I look at em. Also not getting any scum hunting vibe from that slot at all today.

Pretty sure Fandingo is a bingo by the way. Either that or he isn’t paying attention to the game

Like bro I vibe with this **** so hard, good ****

On another note, I feel like Lore was trying to set up for a trade with him and soup the whole time after soup claimed. Like there was heat on Lore early in the day and he probably knows that he's living on borrowed time. I feel like he's just been angling hardcore to set up for a quick soup mislynch today at the expense of his life. Like the fact he was so butthurt that soup didn't oracle him is so bizarre to me, like he can't think outside the 1v1 at all. And tbh that's all I feel like lore is doing, trying to manage and come out on top in various 1v1s. Like he's not concerned with actually sorting slots at all, just bickering with slots and trying to signal to everyone else that he's right and they're wrong on whatever asinine point they decide to tunnel. That's not scum hunting, that's just trying to look better than other people. Scum do that ****. And Lore being perfectly willing to set up a trade for a mislynch of a town PR fits that bill 100%. Like look at this ****:

Isn't the whole point that Soup is going to Oracle me (although he's lying about being oracle) then he gets got tomorrow, solving us both?

Looks like soup isn't happening. ****.

Vote: OrangeXhtml

God this post is so grime. This is the fakest resignation I've read in a long ass time. Wow man, you realllllly had me convinced that you're upset about lynching orange and us just having to resort to trading soup against you tomorrow. Oh le sighhhhhh what a tragedy

Like dawg, I slightly bring up the possibility of you not being the play today and it being Lore, and then you IMMEDIATELY vote the slot, despite you townreading it.

That's textbook self ****ing preservation right there.

I am now ok with your slot dying today.

This reads straight up like a person who's just looking for palatable excuses to vote people instead of actually sorting slots. "I'm now ok with your slot dying" lmao wtf did a switch just go off in your head just because of that? You weren't at all ok with the slot going before? Really? Just reads like scum waiting for palatable grounds rest on comfortably for a faked scum read than someone who actually had their read shifted because of someones play. This slot can ****in go

Vote: Lore

Could easily be sold on fandango or Ryker. I still need to ISO Kary tho which I'm sure will be a valuable exercise. Gonna try to do that by tomorrow evening. Sorry for taking so long to actually get meaningful **** up this phase

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Overall readlist in ranked order top down from towniest to scummiest:

5. KevinM
2. #HBC | ѕoup (agreed his play is a cluster **** but I legit think he's town, I'll take all the hazing yall can dish if Im being outplayed here but Im confident in this read)
12. #HBC | Gorf
3. #HBC | marshy
9. Pythag
10. Tom
1. Ranmaru
8. #HBC | Ryker
11. Fandangox
7. Lore

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

the more I think about it marshy is prob only lower than gorf because I'm more paranoid about him possibly being scum and ****ing us late game if given a free town pass

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm going to the store, but holy **** was that an awful post.

**** it, I'll go go my PC first.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Tom has been trending up with his most recent contributions but it bothers me that he's so bothered by my jabs at him, like damn it just comes off defensive but maybe that's the scumhunting prowess insecurity talking? like bro I feel that too but like its ok when people think your takes are **** sometimes, no townie has ever had a game with zero bad takes (obv exaggerating like obviously some people pull perfect ****ing games sometimes but you get the point)

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I'm going to the store, but holy **** was that an awful post.

**** it, I'll go go my PC first.

lmao sweet bro come @ me, sorry I didn't town read you, gonna cry?