Who's moving up?

[/Jwnz\]

I'm just curious who you guys think will raise up on the tier list. Also, which low tiers have potential? Personally I love Game and Watch.; however, the only tournament I went to ( it's difficult with my random location ) I decided not to use him. It was mainly a lack of confidence, but I feel that many times I perform better with him than falco, since few people know the match up. He also has great priority and a relatively decent recovery. despite his many, many flaws I believe he has potential. So, I ask again, which characters in the lower tiers have potential?

Some suggestions:
Pikachu - thanks to AXE
Luigi ?

 

[Merkuri]

Pikachu has already moved up thanks to Axe.

 

[Landry]

This kind of discussion should probably take place in the tier list thread

 

[Zodiac]

if it takes place in the tier list thread no one will read it. but for up and coming characters I can see low tiers becoming more viable because...well I dont really need to say it. but I would love to see someone counter pick another low tier against young link or against jiggs.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Not just because of the Jiggs matchup, but Young Link deserves to be above Link. He has so much more combo potential and more useful projectiles. I discovered this at Apex.

I think a fair amount of the low tiers should be rearranged, actually. BUT, remember that the tier list isn't "who's better", but "who's more likely to win tournaments".

 

[Merkuri]

I'm looking forward to when Ylink actually becomes the standard couunter to puff. I'm sick of seeing Hbox beat everyone, in part because they hardly know what they are doing against a top Jigs. Peole should troll him by picking up Ylink as a counter. I've seen Vanz and Axe with Young Links lately.

 

[Blu]

Yoshi is the last hyper-undeveloped character left in this game.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Yoshi is the last hyper-undeveloped character left in this game.

I disagree. I think most of the low tiers need work. Any character who regularly gets wrecked by a good space animal needs work.

 

[Zoler]

I'm looking forward to when Ylink actually becomes the standard couunter to puff. I'm sick of seeing Hbox beat everyone, in part because they hardly know what they are doing against a top Jigs. Peole should troll him by picking up Ylink as a counter. I've seen Vanz and Axe with Young Links lately.

Hbox would probably beat other Young Links pretty easily.

The matchup is even. YL is not at an advantage, I've seen Hbox say it on the boards and Armada told me recently.

Young Link is probably at an advantage when the puff is not playing the matchup correctly though. It's probably viable vs every puff player than hbox.

 

[007-jake]

well according to the way tier lists are created. I guess young link is gonna be top tier if he continues to come in first place at internationals/nationals

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Yoshi is the last hyper-undeveloped character left in this game.

What? No way. Tons of characters are nowhere near their potential. What, do you think G&W and Roy are developed despite each having like 2 serious players total in their entire history?

I mean they're still garbs but its not like any of the people playing them were world beaters either...I'm sure if some super-duper amazing player came along they'd uncover a ton of stuff and revolutionize the metagame.

And hell, maybe they could even make it out of R1 pools. Anything can happen!

 

[Zoler]

Though roy has marth.

 

[Merkuri]

Hbox would probably beat other Young Links pretty easily.

The matchup is even. YL is not at an advantage, I've seen Hbox say it on the boards and Armada told me recently.

Young Link is probably at an advantage when the puff is not playing the matchup correctly though. It's probably viable vs every puff player than hbox.

If a Young Link tailored his style to beat Jigs I don't think Hbox would have an easy time at all. At the very least he'd have a harder time than he would ****** there Foxes yet again.

 

[Mr Postman]

Ness

 

[Divinokage]

Yoshi is the last hyper-undeveloped character left in this game.

Hmm.. I did play Vectorman at Apex a few and Yoshi's tricks when you learn them are pretty easy to deal with, it's not that hard to adapt.

 

[twizzlerj]

Low tier characters can perform well based on how little the opposing player may know about the match up and how well you can use that character's tricks that other players would be surprised by making the match in your favor as well as winnable.

 

[Deadandlivin]

Young Link won Apex Grand Finals!

(...)

 

[Geist]

Most characters under Pika are underdeveloped, but they're still not going to rise much because that would require characters who are still subjectively better to go down. There would just be less of a gap in between them all, with some of the order shuffling around below link/yl.
I honestly think that GaW can be higher than he is now.

well according to the way tier lists are created. I guess young link is gonna be top tier if he continues to come in first place at internationals/nationals

I cackled a bit

 

[SamusPoop]

Watch is at least better than roy just on overall match-up spread, he at least keep a solid grab game against floaties that combo till mid late percents. All roy really how that's noteablely cool is doing decent vs fox/falco/falcon and I could see someone getting lucky enough to have that happen most of the tournment.

I was thinking there would be a rise in dk because I heard more and more dks pop up and rockcrock isn't bad. But didn't seem to happen.

Javi was a breath of fresh air for fox that will likly case fox to stay top

Puff won't move after seeing h-box staying that high up for so long.

Could see marth dropping due to lack of marth love and armada being 1/2 best still hoping for mango.

Random hack hype maybe kirby up? More than bowser/pichu has seen for a long time.

Other than changes in minds on low/bottom tiers very little change.

Maybe ics? If chok prove his puff tactics with fly. Wobbles did queit well.

 

[Divinokage]

Doc and ICs > Ganon.. though Samus I'm still not sure about her, they both seem to have near equal amount of potential.

 

[Doc King]

Well, just because won a SET, you really shouldn't put in the top tier. He will get wrecked pretty hard by like and .

I can see him moving up, but nothing that far. lol.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Yoshi is the last hyper-undeveloped character left in this game.

Lol, so original.

Yoshi, from what I've seen, is the last hyper-undeveloped character in Melee

Hyper-undeveloped probably isn't even a word.

 

[KZEZ]

I really hope people had a chance to watch Hbox's Ness and Armada's YL (against fox) on Prog's stream. It really provided a glimpse of the untapped potential in these characters and helped show that hbox is pretty damn technical even if people don't see it with Jiggs.

I am not sure if Ness is worthy of moving up but his FAIR seems to be exploitable.

 

[Divinokage]

Everything is exploitable.

 

[SamusPoop]

Lol, so original.

Hyper-undeveloped probably isn't even a word.

But I still understood and it wasn't like I was on an island and started yelling at someone for baccating and not sharing.

But forgot Yoshi if leffen went yoshi that debate could've gone somewhere

 

[oliman]

yo luigi and samus should switch places forreal

 

[Krynxe]

I honestly believe Kirby should be a few spots up, below yoshi for sure though. Definitely above Bowser at the least.

Minnesota has a kirby on their pr, and there's a really good kirby player here in wa that takes sets from high tiers.

Imo kirby has a lot more potential than most other low tiers, the only problem is that kirby can't really kill anything.

 

[/Jwnz\]

I honestly believe Kirby should be a few spots up, below yoshi for sure though. Definitely above Bowser at the least.

Minnesota has a kirby on their pr, and there's a really good kirby player here in wa that takes sets from high tiers.

Imo kirby has a lot more potential than most other low tiers, the only problem is that kirby can't really kill anything.

Kirby is so hard to use, but I definitely agree. Almost like a weaker version of jigglypuff. I would love to see a kirby place in a tournament.

 

[Rykard]

i see fox moving down. hate me all you want for saying this, but falco is clearly the better character overall

 

[/Jwnz\]

i see fox moving down. hate me all you want for saying this, but falco is clearly the better character overall

I think fox and falco are even, I personally think it's harder to get technical with falco than fox because of his slow jump i.e. wave shinning or shield pressureing. There really isn't much of a difference, it's all based on player skill. imo

 

[SamusPoop]

Itsharder because the timing is slower? That's a terrible arguement.

Javi made me think they were equal again.

What kind of potential does kirby have? The most recent fresh air in his metagame was rolling. Look up hack vs ice. Really besides that his metagame hasn't changed much since wavedashing being used and bair fences. I know dj nintendo made it out of pools with bowser and took a match off of sfat.

 

[Veetaak]

You guys don't know but falco is actually a low tier

 

[rhan]

Hbox would probably beat other Young Links pretty easily.

The matchup is even. YL is not at an advantage, I've seen Hbox say it on the boards and Armada told me recently.

Young Link is probably at an advantage when the puff is not playing the matchup correctly though. It's probably viable vs every puff player than hbox.

 

[/Jwnz\]

Itsharder because the timing is slower? That's a terrible arguement.

Well, fox is faster. you don't even have to L-cancel or short hop to sheild pressure. ( at lower level play )

 

[Blea Gelo]

this same thing

 

[SamusPoop]

At lower levels marth is God tier get back f-smash only counter is a pocket kirby.

I really should start blocking off a lot of posters due to the raw levels of that. wtf L-cnacel less foxs don't work even at low levels cause they spam sheild grabs.

 

[Prince_Abu]

I'm looking forward to when Ylink actually becomes the standard couunter to puff. I'm sick of seeing Hbox beat everyone, in part because they hardly know what they are doing against a top Jigs. Peole should troll him by picking up Ylink as a counter. I've seen Vanz and Axe with Young Links lately.

ur posts are the worst. u think random people can just pick young link and troll hbox? he took a set off the best YL in the world

 

[Merkuri]

ur posts are the worst. u think random people can just pick young link and troll hbox? he took a set off the best YL in the world

Lol, not random people. I'm talking about the other top players who he ***** consistently. However I don't think this is going to become a popular strategy because players simply aren't that concerned abut fighting Jigglypuff because of how few they are, and then they run into Hbox and get ***** smh.

 

[the_CAM_factor]

for low tiers yl and yoshi i feel have the most potential.
i also feel like doc and yoshi have alot of untapped knowledge and they are starting to be pushed further.

 

[Max?]

Yoshi has jank, but he's really really flawed so I don't know how far he can actually go.

I think Luigi is slept on. There are more good Luigis then there are any other mid tier character. His offensive game is ridiculous, he doesn't need grabs to get **** going (unlike a number of other mid tiers), has solid finishers, good combo game, really great movement on the ground (although he gets exposed in certain matchups as a result) and he's JANK. Jank is very underrated in this game, and Luigi is just brimming with it.