Who needs help with Combos, Damages, Advanced Tactics for Falco, etc.

[thumbswayup]

ah, i see. ive only seen that expression two or three times before.

lol, im not makign excuses i just prefer using fox to falco. the transition from fox to falco is easy but from falco to fox kills me. once i get used to using falco my fox suffers and i can no longer wavedash as well with him, which is why i reserve falco for the very end.

 

[Adi]

is it possible to perform a "rising shine" with falco? (i don't main falco, just curious)

I've never heard the expressin "rising shine" before, what is that?

 

[Handorin]

Ya, you fall off the edge, do a shine, then turn your head upside down. It will look like you are rising.

 

[Adi]

Oooh I see, I still need more tech skill. I can only turn my head sideways =(.

 

[Secks.]

Ya, you fall off the edge, do a shine, then turn your head upside down. It will look like you are rising.

I think he means when you jump off the stage shine and turn your body around which can lead into a b-air. Shiz uses it more often than any other falco I've seen. That or maybe hes talking about Multishining but not in place.

 

[Handorin]

I had no idea what he was talking about, so I decided to be sarcastic. XD

 

[anotherdeadcow]

is it possible to perform a "rising shine" with falco? (i don't main falco, just curious)

i think hes talking about shining on the ground, maybe after a few multishines, and then doing the two shines you can do in the air.

if so, thats basically what happens when you fail to multishine.

 

[Miharu]

ah, i see. ive only seen that expression two or three times before.

lol, im not makign excuses i just prefer using fox to falco. the transition from fox to falco is easy but from falco to fox kills me. once i get used to using falco my fox suffers and i can no longer wavedash as well with him, which is why i reserve falco for the very end.

Huge johns. I use both np.

 

[Junpappy]

The Fox/Falco transition just requires practice, believe me. Both my spacies suffered when I first started trying to play both of them, but then I gave up Fox for several months, learned Falco to where he became my best character, then slowly started integrating Fox back in.

And wtf is a rising shine? Someone's definitely confused (be it beaver or me)

 

[Repryx]

ITS YOU MR. R-ASIAN!

I think a rising shine is Jump and Shine? wtf?

 

[j00t]

Shiz, how do you multishine? I'm sorry if it's already been answered, but a friend of mine was saying you just use the control stick and jam it up and down while multishining. I think that's quite impossible, but I was just curious.

 

[DaShizWiz]

Nope, you time it. Sliding your fingers from Y to B while holding down on the control stick. Its all timing. But only use it randomly for pressuring your opponent. Don't do it too often. Only when it seems like a good time.

*Example*

Your getting shield grabbed alot. Usually when I get shield grabbed, I don't want it to happen again. So what I do is multishine and then they can try to grab me out of that, lol. And usually once I hit someone with a shine, its close to a stock. So yeah, use it only for situations like these.

 

[Repryx]

Nope, you time it. Sliding your fingers from Y to B while holding down on the control stick. Its all timing. But only use it randomly for pressuring your opponent. Don't do it too often. Only when it seems like a good time.

*Example*

Your getting shield grabbed alot. Usually when I get shield grabbed, I don't want it to happen again. So what I do is multishine and then they can try to grab me out of that, lol. And usually once I hit someone with a shine, its close to a stock. So yeah, use it only for situations like these.

Just 2 piggy back....Multi-shining in your pillar helps too (Similar but still different)

Here is what Im pravticing (which I bet Shiz has done lolz)

Dair Shine Dair Shine Shine Dair Shine Shine Shine grab

 

[nigam]

shiz i have a question it was just when(if any) are good times to wall jump to spike or will the normal edge gaurding due and that is just for flashyness

 

[Adi]

That's really situational, it's your choice if you want to do it. It may be a better alternative but it also a lot less safe.

 

[Falcology]

Hey DaShizWiz. I need to know something... and know that people say that its personal preferences for if you use c-stick or not... but do u use it, like all the time, except for neutral airs?

Also, one of the moves i admire that u use is the shine into b-air SO DAMM FAST. I dont know how u do it?

 

[Adi]

There's no special trick, just move your fingers faster.

 

[jacobrhcp]

I think it's really easier to multishine on the stickjump, but you should find out what you like best for yourselves.

edit: and there is a trick to shine->bair... stick jump and Cstick bair makes all the difference. I think alphazealot made a topic about that once, but I can't remember.

edit2: preference for Cstick when shffling. It makes a big difference. without it's just harder to get the lcancel->shine->rest done... and it's harder to get your mover to be independent of your own movement.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I hate to ask this, but what is the best way to keep yourself from being shieldgrabbed from a Dair while SHFFLing it? Also, what are some effective laser mindgames?

 

[Enzyme]

Best way is to L Cancel into Shine, also to make sure you are hitting their shield low enough so they can't grab you before you hit the ground.

The L cancel has a different timing against the shield than hitting them so make sure you practice both.

As for the laser, make sure you're not just lasering into a dair/nair. Laser forward and back some, anticipate their jump to get over your laser and FH3L to further their annoyance. Mindgames = Not doing the same thing over and over again. Something falco players tend to have trouble with, myself especially.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Ok, that helps some. Now I have another question: what is the best finger placement and rhythm for the multishine? By rhythm I mean something like a thought pattern or a specific mental way to help you do it easier.

 

[Miharu]

Ok, that helps some. Now I have another question: what is the best finger placement and rhythm for the multishine? By rhythm I mean something like a thought pattern or a specific mental way to help you do it easier.

Read the previous page.

 

[Kitsune7]

I read a bunch of this thread, but I think it would take me over a month to read the whole thing. So forgive me if my question has already been addressed.

So:
I sometimes have an odd problem with SHL. I've never heard anyone mention this before, but sometimes when I'm doing advancing and retreating SHL (sometimes even stationary SHL), the laser will fire in the wrong direction just from the recoil of the control stick returning to the neutral position. When I do a forward SHL, I dash, SH, hold forward for a split second to get the long distance SH, release the control stick, press B and fast fall. I know I'm not pressing the other direction because I just release the stick, so I'm guessing it's stick's own recoil. I could be wrong though. I thought I might have a bad controller, but I think I had this problem with a brand new controller a long time ago too.

Shiz, about a year ago in this thread you said that you roll your thumb from y to b for multishines (I read a bunch of the beginning of this thread). When you say roll your thumb, do you mean you press y with the tip of your thumb and roll the pressure down to the middle of your thumb for B or do you slide the tip of your thumb back and forth, etc.? How exactly do you roll it? The only way I've been able to do multishines is with two fingers (kinda useless), but I'm at a pretty amateur level.

Thanks for any help

 

[Adi]

Hmm that's an odd problem with the SHL. I'm surprised it happens with the new controllers too. Don't know what to tell ya... just try different timings maybe you're smashing it too hard but I don't think that's it.

As for the multishine, I'm not sure exactly how Shiz does it but generally what they mean by "rolling" is sliding the thumb from Y -> B. What I usually do is actually use the base of my thumb and while pushing Y already be sliding it down to B. But for each his own, find whatever way works best for you.

 

[anotherdeadcow]

kitsune, although adi nailed the answer pretty well, just to add, i do exactly what your described for multishine with the tip of the thumb on y, and then the ball of the thumb onto b.but like he said, its all what works for you.

 

[dawn001]

NOT SURE how i can help but both character have different timing on the JC like fox is easy for me but when i try doing with falco is hard .....is all timing

 

[cyberdemon]

posting directly from my other thread:

My friend's marth beats my falco 90% of the time.

Anyone, please let me know what I need to improve, since marth has always been my worst matchup.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y-geBeSst1k

 

[thumbswayup]

marth's the best character in the game, and against a really good one there's not much you can do with either fox or falco unless you are insanely good. i've always countered marth with sheik, sometimes captain falcon.

 

[dawn001]

marth's the best character in the game, and against a really good one there's not much you can do with either fox or falco unless you are insanely good. i've always countered marth with sheik, sometimes captain falcon.

who says that marth is the best character in the game i thinks thats bull****.
is not the character that is good is the player the controls it..

CYBERDEMON my advice to you is laser spam marth so that he can come to you make your self the predator and him the prey...when marth is near you keep lasering him and you can follow up by laser+shine or laser+pillar laser+grab..but that is if you cant get near him.

 

[terr13]

Slow SHL
Too many laggy attacks (Dtilt, Smashes)
Missed Techs
You seem to kind of run in and then stop doing anything, or maybe that's just a missed L-cancel.
Don't folllow aerials with shine.

Marth is not the best character...

 

[dawn001]

I Have Problems Vs Shiek And Peach Not Sure How To Get A Kill...
Need Advice?

 

[terr13]

Kill them like you would anyone else..Bair, Dair, Fsmash, Dsmash, Nair. They're both fairly easy to combo, but they can also own u pretty bad.

 

[dawn001]

Kill them like you would anyone else..Bair, Dair, Fsmash, Dsmash, Nair. They're both fairly easy to combo, but they can also own u pretty bad.

WELL THE BIGEST PROBLEM IS PEACH AND THAT DOWN SMASH...

 

[Adi]

You gotta laser spam, and when you predict a downsmash dash dance away and get em in the lag time.

 

[dawn001]

You gotta laser spam, and when you predict a downsmash dash dance away and get em in the lag time.

ahh i see good idea...thanks

 

[anotherdeadcow]

marth's the best character in the game, and against a really good one there's not much you can do with either fox or falco unless you are insanely good. i've always countered marth with sheik, sometimes captain falcon.

marths def got some advantages, but best in the game?
when i have to go up against marth, i usually try not to linger near the edges. stay a little out of his range with DDing and punish. hes easy enough to combo, but hes got the same advantage on you. just try not to get grabbed, as that could end badly for you. theres not really any new advice but this is not like.. some unwinable match...

 

[Junpappy]

marth's the best character in the game, and against a really good one there's not much you can do with either fox or falco unless you are insanely good. i've always countered marth with sheik, sometimes captain falcon.

No....just no.

Fox has PLENTY of ways to combat Marth, as does Falco.

The only way Falco has an uphill battle against Marth is if you're fighting a Marth that likes to be gay, but even then its very much a possible match up.

 

[Repryx]

He says it cuz we Have too many marth players in this area

 

[thumbswayup]

my comment seems to be overquoted here lol. there's a reason M2K switched his main to marth and i'd say he is the best in the world (pc and kdj are **** close though).
and the argument that "it's not the character, it's the player controlling it" is bull****. tier lists wouldnt exist if that were the case. you take ANY character in the game and make sure a great person is using it, then get another person of equal skill and have him use marth and he will always win in the end as him.

 

[thumbswayup]

marth is too good: a SWORD, a great and fast wavedash, his aerials are insanely good, he has the best edgeguarding possibilities in the game. fox and falco dont have **** on him, he can virtually kill each at 0% with a chain grab. c falcon is easy for him to combo, as is SHEIK who i'd say has the best chance against a marth.
many of the top tier characters have amazingly huge flaws. fox and falco: chaingrabbed easily, shine devastates them, falco's recovery sucks. sheik has A LOT of lag after she lands her up-B. c falcons recovery is too easy to read and edgeguard against.
marth may have some shortcomings (absolutley none i can think of at the moment) but they arent as bad as those. tell me if im wrong otherwise. i'd seriously like to hear what disadvantages marth has and why no other character is used as much as him.