Who else is nervous about Brawl potentially sucking?

[Joe Soup]

Just because Ike has a sword doesn't mean he'll be good. Everyone seems to be overlooking this terrible *** character known as "Roy" and instead thinking of Marth...

That's a really good point; I didn't even think of that. We could have a second Roy on our hands.

 

[1337marth]

That's a really good point; I didn't even think of that. We could have a second Roy on our hands.

i am not sure off a second Roy.

 

[Eaode]

You knwo what game really makes me want a PS3 though?

LittleBigPlanet.
**** that game looks so fun :'(

 

[Fawriel]

Yo, guys. Did I miss anything important?

Mewtwo for God Tier!

 

[Eaode]

Well we had this whole discussion about Guilty Dear XX: Accent Core, which is coming to Wii.

In fact, there was a comment on one of the sirlin articles which basically said "Besides the obvious benefit of coming to the cheapest console, Guilty Gear will probably attract smash players as well, being that they usually only own nintendo systems."

THEY HAVE PREDICTED US

 

[Superstar]

Probably the footstool jump helped with what they meant by aerial battles. Here's hoping you can press X the second an aerial attack connects to perform, even using Falco's dair [if it still exists], and then using the footstool to make it back.

However, I like footfungus jump, and please no closey thread, its a semi safe haven from the hostileness of the Brawl boards, greatest thread ever. This thread is basically the only reason I come to the Brawl Boards, I checked up here occasionally, but I never kept refreshing the thread until this thread came along, it is too excellent.

And I played me some more Melee yesterday, Fox keeps sucking me in more and more, and I'm remembering moves I have forgotten existed with Mario [up-tilt is useful for combos, moreso than I thought].

Also, about switching your lower tier mains to higher tier, I believe it happens a ton. I lucked out that I main Mario which is still somewhat usable, but Ogre, if you EVER decide to go serious in Brawl [you don't have to, just saying], that's why many lower tier mains pick up a higher tier secondary. As matches are best 2 out of 3 using slob picks, you can use your secondary when it counts. My high tier secondary is Fox, my main is Mario, and another secondary is Samus. However, many people who do this often get captured by the high tier, as they are much more fun to use most of the time.

Eoade, where is the article, give me a LINK!!!111!!!

 

[Fawriel]

Guilty Gear? Sweet. That series is kind of the Cowboy Bebop of fighting games, isn't it? I mean, in terms of importance of music, style, coolness, stuff like that... I think I'd like it.
On the other hand, I could never get myself to play games where you actually need to learn button combinations and stuff... Smash for me it is.

 

[Eaode]

GAH, It's Eaode not Eoade or Eadoe.

EAODE!!!!

EDIT: wrong link, wait

Additionally, if AC does receive a US release on the Wii, I think the scene could grow. Cheapest console, obviously, but another not-so-obvious possibility is that we could see Smash players jump on board. They haven’t gotten into other fighters mostly, because many of them tend to only own the Nintendo console from the last couple generations or so.

here:
http://www.sirlin.net/archive/guilty-gear-slash-match-of-mine/

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

'sup folks.

And because I play casual, I can stick with my low tier swordsman

(although I DO second Marth when I play my friends, I can never seem to quite play him as well as I do with Link...)

 

[Superstar]

Oh god, they HAVE predicted us. 0.0.

And yes Ogre, since you play casual, Link is better than Fox, and Shiek rules the world. Although you should try playing more characters for secondaries. The game becomes MUCH more fun when you use more than one character. I see you started with Marth. I haven't read the Marth guide or seen to many Marth videos so I stink with Marth, but he does handle nicely, I hear the SHFFL forward air works well with him.

Oh, Ogre, I used to play Link for a little while, I can tell you that L-Cancel and SHFFL works WONDERS for Link, although Wavedash is almost near useless with him [I think his wavedash is 24th worst]. However, L-Cancel and SHFFL are a pain in the rear to learn, so if you play casual I would say no...

Hmm, you say you shieldgrab[easy adv tech anyways]. You can do more than that with your shield, you can jump out of it, AND up-B out of your shield. Of course, I think you have to mash up and then press B or something in order to do a grounded up-B out of shield. Your friends hit you, then bam, swordspin from the shield. . Though it is kinda hard without you launching into midair so I would understand if you didn't do it.

Also, Ogre, come Brawl, I know you play casually, so why don't we have an items match, any course. I will use all the techs I know, but items nontheless, and maybe some FFAs . With online, I would have so many opponents to fight that I would need some casually matches to have some variety.

Also, today's update is a decent item, makes things interesting, but still. Pitfall sucks, at least this is more interesting, right?

 

[Joe Soup]

That's not very fair that they stereotype Smash players like that.

being that they usually only own nintendo systems."

^LOL

 

[Bajef8]

Man if they did exactly that, it would be the best game release ever. Same game, new characters, movesets, tractions, and weights and better graphics.

i completely disagree. it would be absolutely pointless if it was just another melee. smash bros. completely changed from itself going into melee and both games were still completely awesome. i think and know brawl will be different and for the better. i hope they can change as much as they can without ruining it to make it a great game----not another copy of melee.

 

[Joe Soup]

Congratulations on picking out possibly one of Dylan's oldest posts.

You can beat that dead horse yourself.

 

[mario-man]

Correction. 2nd oldest post. LOL

And I completely agree with Dylan. Although, that post was a response to me saying that you couldn't do that or it would be the same game. Since then, I've changed my mind.

 

[Superstar]

Look at the date of that post, just look at it.

Though I do agree with Dylan's old statement to an extent. I want the same game, but new and revamped characters, new stages, online play, new techs, new physics [that aren't bad], and better graphics. Brawl will be a Melee 2.0, just like with almost every sequel. However, it should have some differences to diferentiate, even though Melee is the best game ever. It will still be knock away your opponent, normal and special moves, shields, etc etc.

Also, the "A Modest Proposition" thread was funny. I didn't know he was being sarcastic [though I had enough of flaming and wasn't gonna respond], but its funny once you double read it.

And Mario-man, got a new siggy.

 

[Joe Soup]

Who does your sigs, Superstar?

 

[HideousBeing]

You can do more than that with your shield, you can jump out of it, AND up-B out of your shield. Of course, I think you have to mash up and then press B or something in order to do a grounded up-B out of shield. Your friends hit you, then bam, swordspin from the shield. . Though it is kinda hard without you launching into midair so I would understand if you didn't do it.

You don't have to mash. I play Bowser, and it's the same concept. You just have to time it well. It's slow though. When I play Link, I tend to want to shffl nair right out of the shield. I really spam Link's kicks. Their underated with casuals. It's all about the spin attack, fsmash, and dair with them.s

Edit: Someone said something about Super Mario Strikers Charged being fun. Is the Wi-Fi compatible yet? Can you play with a partner over the Wi-Fi?

 

[the656]

are they going to they to prevent things like wavedashing and short jumping?

 

[Mr.GAW]

No, see, Sakurai comes here and tells us in this thread things that he doesn't post on his website, just 'cause he likes this thread.

So no, they won't prevent those things, because he said so. ( and I hope so.)

 

[Takeshi245]

To generalize smash players like that is ridiculous. Anyways, anyone hyped for Halo 3?

 

[Mr.GAW]

Sort of, but I don't have a 360- my friend does, thus; the excitement is bittersweet knowing I suck at Halo and won't get to play it much.

 

[Dynamism]

Short hops rule!!! and wow! I can't stop ****ing wavedashing lol I'm doing it way too much recently. It's a fun habbit but Seriously, enough is enough and Links Dair is hilariously strong, jeez, noobs fave lol

 

[Scav]

Given all of the negative attention to this thread, going off topic is not the way to convince me to leave it open. Neither is posting 1-liners without any new information. This isn't AIM.

 

[Joe Soup]

Sorry, Scav.

Back on topic, guys: how do you think the online for Brawl will be structured? Will it be like those crappy random matches for MKDS or Strikers? Hope not.

I think Brawl is Nintendo's first chance at making a good online structure.

 

[Takeshi245]

Well, Sakurai's not planning on any ranking system for online, so I'm guessing he's going to use random matches. Well, Wii-code exchanging seems to be the way. It's a good thing we have Smash World Forums to get Wii-codes to play against people. In my opinion, a ranking system would help if you want to go up against people around your own skill level.

 

[HideousBeing]

I was thinking that no matter what, tiers will surely develop for Brawl. The question is, will the difference be as bad as Melee? In ssb64 there are tiers, but the difference between Pikachu and Link in ssb64 is like the difference between Fox and Mario in ssbm. Even though all characters are thrown into tiers eventually, it's a relativity thing. The difference between top and bottom tier in ssb64 is much smaller than said difference in melee. My hope is that Brawl can be like ssb64 in that matter.
Tiers will form. There's no question about it.
But at least no character would be disregarded as hopeless.
This is my sole wish for Brawl. That two pros take characters from oppposite ends of the tier list, and mindgames decide the winner.
Let us all have a moment of silence to commemorate this wish.
...
Thank you.

And spammers, please stop the one-liners and try and keep on the given topic. We're under security right now and I don't want this thread to be closed, so keep it down, because we'll report if the thread is in jeapordy.

Edit: Sorry, I meant to post after Scav, but new topic beat me to it.

 

[Takeshi245]

HideousBeing, I argee with you just about saying that there shouldn't be that much of a gap between characters with Sakurai having balance in mind. Of course, Brawl isn't going to have perfect balance with its characters unless they were all the same, which would be dull and boring. I just want it to be the most balanced in the Smash Brothers series.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Joe Soup, I think Strikers has great online play. What don't you like about it? I would be very pleased if Brawl was like Strikers. I realize it could be better, but c'mon, Strikers gets it done.

 

[Joe Soup]

Meh...I could give or take the Strikers online.

What I want for Brawl is there to be an amalgamy of random matches, ranked matches, and friend matches. How Sakurai does that is the hard part. >_<

 

[Sensai]

Well, Sakurai's not planning on any ranking system for online, so I'm guessing he's going to use random matches.

That was sad not by Sakurai, but by Nintendo about rankings in general...and we know that's bogus now, as Strikers has online rankings.

And tiers will certainly form...I don't think there's anyone who thinks otherwise. It's an inevitability.

 

[gnosis]

That was sad not by Sakurai, but by Nintendo about rankings in general...and we know that's bogus now, as Strikers has online rankings.

And tiers will certainly form...I don't think there's anyone who thinks otherwise. It's an inevitability.

Read Panda's translation thread again; Sakurai said there's no plans for a Brawl online ranking system (he calls it 'the winner is best' or something).

 

[Superstar]

Of course, tiers exist in practically every fighter, its nothing you can prevent at all.

Also, you know all the people who preach FFSs with Items, I was forced to play some FFAs and they suck... items get boring after an hour, any combo you attempt to do [which is what Mario needs] is immediately stopped cause someone hits you in the back, I've had 2 chaingrabs stopped that way. Fighting a Marth with Mario is almost impossible on those small wacky stages when some freak is trying to Kirbycide you from the other side [my brother was playing around] and items are flowing all over the place. FFA's only work for a little while, they get boring and annoying fast. I never got to pick a single stage cause the guest kept either screwing up the pick or picking himself...

Also, HideousBeing, I suggested the Up-B out of shield for the sole reason that Ogre is a casual player. Nairs work out of shield as well. I also played Link in those casual matches, got a few bomb recoveries, its awesome.

What I'd like in Brawl is the ability to choose who you are going to play against, so I could have a 1v1 or FFA when I want, think that could be possible given Nintendo's crappy online service [probably Strikers got the job done...]?

And if only there was some place on the boards where we can continue the more fun discussion without the threat of scrubs/locking. Ah well, guess I'm gonna have to visit this topic a bit less, shame...

 

[BigRick]

Also, you know all the people who preach FFSs with Items, I was forced to play some FFAs and they suck... items get boring after an hour, any combo you attempt to do [which is what Mario needs] is immediately stopped cause someone hits you in the back, I've had 2 chaingrabs stopped that way. Fighting a Marth with Mario is almost impossible on those small wacky stages when some freak is trying to Kirbycide you from the other side [my brother was playing around] and items are flowing all over the place. FFA's only work for a little while, they get boring and annoying fast. I never got to pick a single stage cause the guest kept either screwing up the pick or picking himself...

Playing FFAs is not about doing combos.

It's all about camping and backstabbing.

 

[Superstar]

Of course, I've learned an important lesson, don't use Mario. Mario relies on combos, and in a that setting versus a Marth he is severely crippled [Mario has to use every defensive tactice to beat Marth and outmaneuver him, and that is impossible in an FFA]. I lost almost everytime I used Mario [until I camped, but those were casual matches, I can't do that], but won almost everytime I used Marth/Fox, and a bit even with Samus. But sadly, my post is spam, and there is not enough info to go by to keep it fairly on-topic. Only on good or bad updates can this thread stay on-topic, and those are kinda rare, so this thread is going to die slowly...

 

[BigRick]

Of course, I've learned an important lesson, don't use Mario. Mario relies on combos, and in a that setting versus a Marth he is severely crippled [Mario has to use every defensive tactice to beat Marth and outmaneuver him, and that is impossible in an FFA]. I lost almost everytime I used Mario [until I camped, but those were casual matches, I can't do that], but won almost everytime I used Marth/Fox, and a bit even with Samus. But sadly, my post is spam, and there is not enough info to go by to keep it fairly on-topic. Only on good or bad updates can this thread stay on-topic, and those are kinda rare, so this thread is going to die slowly...

lol Scav isn't around anymore...

ahem... I meant... Brawl is going to r0x!!! w00t!

ahem ahem! I meant... Brawl is going to be a good multiplayer fighting game because it seems that the developper, Sakurai-san, is keeping all the core elements that made Smash Bros Melee a success, while adding some interesting new features like Footstool jumping, and also by polishing other parts of the game like character balance and item variety.

My only gripe right now in Smash Bros is the addition of the ''Assist Trophies''. Those pokéball-like items are a way to include minor Nintendo characters in the game without having to make them as playable characters. The assist trophies lack originality IMO because they're just a replica of pokéballs, and it also shows Sakurai's lack of ''balls'' because he is afraid to slash many underserving characters from the roster that have a certain fanbase. However, for each AT update that gets released, we know that some of these fanboys are getting ''pwnt''. First were the Samurai Goro enthusiasts, now, which group is going to get their hopes crushed next???

Post over... guess I can take off the fancy mustache now

 

[Red Exodus]

I think that's why I can't play Mario well in FFAs. Some ******* always disrupts my combo by:

1) Hitting me
2) Hitting my target
3) Hitting me and my target
4) Attempting to hit me [which causes me to break the combo to evade the attack]
5) Attempting to hit my target
6) Widening the screen


FFAs discourage me too much to make me feel any good. I would probably be better of not playing than only playing FFAs. Hopefully I'll get a Wii for my birthday [August 12th, yay!] so I can practice. I don't count on it though, maybe I can work something out between my parents.


BTW guys, do you think FS[final smashes] will be optional? Sakurai went as far as to making 2 characters available through FS' only, what's to stop him for making a part of the game completely?

I'm just throwing this out there though, I don't want my post to look too off topic or spammy, I figure I did a decent job.

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

If you have links to other forums in your account info, be warned. 4chaners are following said links to other forums and invading.

And FSs will be optional. At least that'swhat I think.

 

[ecstatic]

One thing that will ruin online for any people (including me) would be not being able to turn off items. If items are required for online, I'll only play if I'm extremely bored.

 

[BigRick]

BTW guys, do you think FS[final smashes] will be optional? Sakurai went as far as to making 2 characters available through FS' only, what's to stop him for making a part of the game completely?

2 characters??? wtf

 

[Red Exodus]

Giga Bowser and ZSS. You can't use them unless you use a FS.