Which characters compliment Kirby?

[Atria]

Kirby does not go even with MK, why the hell do you people continue to say instead of using a character with advantages in the match up use the character who has nothing on MK.

To Falconv1.0: Well, according to the MK match-up guide, they think that Kirby is a slightly tough opponent. Yes the match-up 55:45 in MK's favor, but they still consider it to be fairly close to a neutral match-up in their opinion. This is probably because Kirby is one of the very few characters that can hit MK out of an aerial attack with a well timed Bair. If the Kirby player is good at doing that, it forces the MK player to have to use a grounded approach to get to Kirby. Although, a well timed F-tilt can attack Kirby out of his Bair. Also, MK can always just use the ^B to shut down Kirby's Bair approach completely. Also, Kirby can hit MK out of the tornado 2 different ways so its use in battle is limited. Well, I'm just following what they say because I haven't really had any good matches for a LOOOOONG time. (Stupid Wi-Fi...) That's just my opinion anyway. Probably more people will agree with you because you seem to be fairly confident about this and you seem to be a more experienced player than I am. But then again, I can't tell what's going on in people's minds around here because I only registered here about 2 weeks ago and you actually may be messing around. But IDK that.

ANYWAY to pkblaze: For your first question, a good MK player when against a Kirby won't choose to fight in the air much and generally want to have a grounded game against Kirby. They can still choose to attack you from the air if they want, but they'll stay grounded most of the time against Kirby entering the air only when necessary because of Kirby's Bair.

Anyway yeah, I've only done this about two times. I'm a bit foggy on the details, but I think that Kirby has to either fast fall his Bair or do it while he is rising. Not quite too sure about the timing. Try that first and tell me if it worked or not. From the guide I looked at, they confirmed that a Short Hopped Fair (MK) can be beaten out of by a rising or a fast falled Bair (Kirby). BTW, I've got more interesting information for you Kirby users/mains: Kirby's Bair can attack an approaching tornado if it hits at a certain point close to the top. (Again, don't quite remember where.) A grounded shuttle loop is capable of shutting down Kirby's Bair approach. Lastly, at maximum inhale range, shuttle loop will hit Kirby so be aware about that.

For your second question, I'm not quite sure what you mean about Pseudo USmash. From what I researched, it was a technique that only existed in Melee. Not even these forums mention that you can do it in Brawl. Are you sure it's called this? You'll have to inform me about how it's done if I can answer this question for you... Maybe someone else knows about this? FYI, I haven't really started looking at AT's yet, so IDK if it falls under that catergory. You'll have to ask somebody else that last question because IDK what a Pseudo USmash is. Sorry about that. Also, I don't use Snake, (In my earlier post, I mentioned that I suck at using him well.) so that's pobably why IDK what a Pseudo USmash is. I'm good at using Marth however so I THINK I can still help you with this question if only you tell me what a Pseudo USmash is.

 

[akkon888]

Ike and Lucas are great compliments. Ike has the endurance and good dmg, Lucas has great hitboxes. Falco isn't really a compliment to Kirby though, it is though more towards Ike. Heck, substitute Ness for Lucas, even though I know nothing about him. It all depends about what you are looking for in a character.

 

[Falconv1.0]

I'd say MK vs Kirby is easily winnable, but it's not neutral, I'd definitely pick someone else in a cp situation.

Akkon, Ike is a terrible cp for Kirby. Tell me how Ike isn't ***** harder by G&W, MK, Snake, Zelda, etc. or just take back that super ignorant statement. Same with Ness/Lucas. You need to look at Kirby's bad match ups, not just "oh lol Kirby dies early I'll pick Ike". Kirby's bad match ups **** the **** out of Ike.

(Atria, you're pretty smart, I'm kinda surprised you've only been here for two weeks. Keep posting and lurking and you'll be on the fast track to having uber debate skills.)

 

[MK26]

Kirby does not go even with MK, why the hell do you people continue to say instead of using a character with advantages in the match up use the character who has nothing on MK.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aNe7NOnufps
Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Vs. MK is one of the few matchups where Kirby has the advantage in pure killpower.
And the MK boards have agreed to 55-45 their favour as well

 

[Falconv1.0]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aNe7NOnufps
Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Vs. MK is one of the few matchups where Kirby has the advantage in pure killpower.
And the MK boards have agreed to 55-45 their favour as well

This has got to be the 4th time I've said this, I think Inui was playing poorly during that match, and I dont care about cherry picked videos.

I dont see the hugest difference between 60-40 and 55-45. To me 60-40 means you really should cp and 55-45 means you prolly should but it's not ghey hard. I dont get this stupid argument that you should play Kirby vs MK, there are much better options like Snake, and Snake covers Kirbys bad match ups. Thus, you should know Snake, Which obviously means IF YOU ARE CP'ING YOU SHOULD PROBABLY PICK THE CHARACTER THAT IS CONSIDERED TO HAVE THE ****ING ADVANTAGE.

We are talking about who is a good cp, so why are we saying keep the character that does worse when you can play one who covers the others bad match ups, it's ****ing stupid.

>______________>


(I'm not saying to not play Kirby, I'm just saying it's not the most logical option when you're cp'ing. When you cp it's because you lost. You want everything in your favor, so why not tip the scale with a char that wins the match up easier.)

 

[ungulateman]

That is called a "situational 3-stock" (some-one else made a better term, but I forgot it).

Gonzo Combo > Metaknight.

Kirby can KO MK at 80%, as this video showed.

Stop pretending you need a beard to beat Meta Knight.

 

[Kewkky]

Kirby does do well at fighting MK. Of course, this didn't stop me from learning Snake, but I still feel safer with Kirby than with Snake, ZSS (my main), or even MK in that match-up. Speed and aerial game have always done it for me, and evn if I lose the first game, I'm sure it was no 3-stock, no matter what MK I went against... Whereas with snake I feel exposed whenever MK sends me flying anywhere.

So far Kirby hasn't failed me in this matchup, and I am confident in my abilities with Kirby to excel in any tourney. Probably in other people's cases, to ensure their victory, they might want every ounce on their side of the scale, but it's not the character that wins the match -- it's the better player.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Stop pretending you need a beard to beat Meta Knight.

Should I go an quote every time I said it's not un winnable by a long shot every time this was discussed or can I ask you to shut the hell up before I am forced to.

God **** I am so tired of people putting words in my mouth.

 

[Asdioh]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aNe7NOnufps
Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Vs. MK is one of the few matchups where Kirby has the advantage in pure killpower.
And the MK boards have agreed to 55-45 their favour as well

I can't believe you actually posted THAT video to help the "Kirby can beat Meta Knight if you're good" argument.

All that video does is help the "Kirby can beat Meta Knight if he sucks ass" argument.

This has got to be the 4th time I've said this, I think Inui was playing poorly during that match, and I dont care about cherry picked videos.

It's at least the 4th time I've said it too...I don't know how good Inui really is, but that game was trash. Reading most of the comments on it is so incredibly depressing. Here's what I posted on it a while back:

lol at this video having so many views and so many favorites.

It's entertaining for sure, but I really hope it doesn't give people the impression that Kirby owns MK...especially if they don't actually play Kirby

Someone else said:

Kirby doesn't own MK.
Chu Dat owns MK.

To which I responded:

hmmm...I can accept that.

Well, except for when he lost to Chillin.

I want to see a recent match of Chudat vs a good MK that actually plays well in the match that gets recorded >_>

But I heard that Chudat doesn't like to have matches of him recorded...unless it's this one.. :[

^ that comment got a thumbs down lol -_-
(and someone else said)

It's true.
Probably explains the lack of round 2?

He also got a thumbs down lol. It's obvious that in order to say something that the majority of the people watching the video will like, just say something Chudat-fanboyish, and they'll love you.


Sorry for ranting, it's just that this video is not an example of the MK-Kirby matchup.

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MqavPwRTB4 is a lot more accurate, understand?
(pay particular attention to the first stock, lol)

That is called a "situational 3-stock" (some-one else made a better term, but I forgot it).

Gonzo Combo > Metaknight.

Kirby can KO MK at 80%, as this video showed.

Stop pretending you need a beard to beat Meta Knight.

I think what you're talking about is "JV 3-stock"

Gonzo Combo > Meta Knights that don't DI or use their ridiculously fast aerials to escape combos

Yes, he can. Landing the KO is the hard part.

You don't need a beard to beat Meta Knight, it's just incredibly hard to beat a good one with Kirby.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Asdioh, I will tell you Inui is good, but he does have really off days. And when he does, he johns like a mother****er.

I'm gonna say this right now, anyone who thinks Chudat vs Inui proves **** is stone cold ****nuts crazy and needs to gtfo right ****ing NOW.

 

[Lovely]

I thrid main Kirby because he's useful to match up's that Samus or Ice Climbers are not. Kirby's best partner might be Marth, that would get rid of a lot of bad Kirby match up's like G&W and such. Or you could use the Kirby trio, they cover up a good amount of bad match up's to.

 

[Falconv1.0]

I thrid main Kirby because he's useful to match up's that Samus or Ice Climbers are not. Kirby's best partner might be Marth, that would get rid of a lot of bad Kirby match up's like G&W and such. Or you could use the Kirby trio, they cover up a good amount of bad match up's to.

MK and DDD are great for covering Kirby. I tried doing that but I felt like it took too much attention off my main.

 

[Atria]

I'd say MK vs Kirby is easily winnable, but it's not neutral, I'd definitely pick someone else in a cp situation.

Akkon, Ike is a terrible cp for Kirby. Tell me how Ike isn't ***** harder by G&W, MK, Snake, Zelda, etc. or just take back that super ignorant statement. Same with Ness/Lucas. You need to look at Kirby's bad match ups, not just "oh lol Kirby dies early I'll pick Ike". Kirby's bad match ups **** the **** out of Ike.

Well, that's Akkon's opinion. (Although IDK if he knew about Kirby's bad match-ups or not.) If this person can win against these characters using either Ike, Lucas or Ness, well that must be pretty awesome! Although, it's definitely not a guaranteed victory for any of those mentioned characters because these characters have unfavorable match-ups against Kirby's hard to defeat characters. Therefore, you'll have to work harder to win as what Falconv1.0 is trying to say here. If you don't choose someone like Snake to deal with these match-ups it'll be harder to win without overdoing yourself compared to those characters Akkon mentioned who have a much harder time fighting against Kirby's harder match-ups. Therefore, you'd normally be pushed to your limits which is not a good situation to be in most of the time. Although then again, there are some people out there who can surprise you and can use one of those characters Akkon mentioned to beat Kirby's hard match-ups easily. Not many people can do this however.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aNe7NOnufps
Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Vs. MK is one of the few matchups where Kirby has the advantage in pure killpower.
And the MK boards have agreed to 55-45 their favour as well

That is called a "situational 3-stock" (some-one else made a better term, but I forgot it).

Gonzo Combo > Metaknight.

Kirby can KO MK at 80%, as this video showed.

Stop pretending you need a beard to beat Meta Knight.

Obviously from the 2 quotes above this paragraph, these people think that Kirby is the ideal choice of character to use against MK and not Snake (I'm not assuming that they think that Snake sucks against MK.). Again, it is their opinion. Obviously, seeing videos or seeing skilled people in action when they were up against MK made them form this opinion. (I'm not saying this was a bad to do or anything like that.) What MK26 said is true: Kirby has more power as well as KO moves to KO characters more easily compared to MK where he mainly gimps characters to KO them which can be hard to do. Especially if MK is against Kirby because Kirby has a lot of jumps to prevent this from happening most of the time. (Not saying that this is his only method of getting KO's.) Also, from what ungulateman told us, the "Gonzo Combo" is just one of the things Kirby can do to make this match-up slightly more easier to win. Thus, this would strengthen their opinion more that Kirby should be used and not Snake. Again, this is their opinion and some people may disagree with this. All characters use/require different tactics in order to win against certain characters. (Especially if someone is using Ike or even C. Falcon for example. It's never impossible to win, even when match-up numbers taken into consideration. There are still ways you can catch your opponent off guard. This relates to the first paragraph that I mentioned earlier.)

This has got to be the 4th time I've said this, I think Inui was playing poorly during that match, and I dont care about cherry picked videos.

I dont see the hugest difference between 60-40 and 55-45. To me 60-40 means you really should cp and 55-45 means you prolly should but it's not ghey hard. I dont get this stupid argument that you should play Kirby vs MK, there are much better options like Snake, and Snake covers Kirbys bad match ups. Thus, you should know Snake, Which obviously means IF YOU ARE CP'ING YOU SHOULD PROBABLY PICK THE CHARACTER THAT IS CONSIDERED TO HAVE THE ****ING ADVANTAGE.

We are talking about who is a good cp, so why are we saying keep the character that does worse when you can play one who covers the others bad match ups, it's ****ing stupid.

>______________>


(I'm not saying to not play Kirby, I'm just saying it's not the most logical option when you're cp'ing. When you cp it's because you lost. You want everything in your favor, so why not tip the scale with a char that wins the match up easier.)

Oh sorry Falconv1.0 for not stating this part clearly enough. (I'm not saying you are stupid. You probably skimmed through all that text I wrote which is okay. I don't want ANYBODY thinking that because that's just plain immaturity coming from you IMO. It was my bad for not explaining why this person should use only Kirby in this match up.) I'm just saying that out of all the match-ups MK has against the cast, the ones that he goes even with are Snake, Kirby, Falco and DK. Because this person already knows how to use Kirby well, I just thought that it would save their mind + hands (However you guys feel when you pick up a new character.) from learning how to use one of those other characters I mentioned above for this match-up. However, no matter who you use, it's still going to be a fairly even match-up IMO. Although, all of the characters I mentioned above each have different abilities/tactics which make this happen. With Snake obviously, he has projectiles and explosives to do this which enable him to control the stage and keep him at a fairly safe distance from the enemy. If the Snake player is lucky, the opponent will get attacked in the process. This means that MK has to approach if he wants Snake to stop + avoid getting damaged. Also, his powerful tilts can make quick work of MK. Kirby on the other hand, has good combos, fairly quick and powerful smashes, many jumps which give him better aerial combat skills compared to some characters and his moves have priority to boot. Therefore, MK has to be grounded in order to combat Kirby effectively because of his Bair.

Some people like Falconv1.0 may disagree with the fact that Kirby is a decent character to use against MK and that people should use MK instead which is fine. I'm not here to change your opinion people. Initially, I thought that Kirby SUCKED against MK, but I was dead wrong. Experience is another factor which affects peoples opinions on things. With this, you can't persuade the person to change their opinion too easily because first hand experience is the best thing people can get in life because you understand how things actually work. People like Falconv1.0 have been put into this certain situation before (I think anyway.) and is one of the people who can give you good advice on this kind of topic. For me, I previously stated that I thought Kirby sucked against MK. As I used Kirby more and more, it didn't seem so hard for me to win with Kirby as what I had initially thought. Therefore from what experience has taught me from using Kirby more, I think it's a fairly even match-up and it's going to be hard for people to change my opinion on that because of my experience when I was in that situation. (Again, people may disagree that it's a fairly even match-up. I still think it's 55:45 in MK's favor.)

Falconv1.0, I know that you already mentioned in the quote above this paragraph that people can still use Kirby to beat MK. However IYO, you think that it's easier to win with Snake which I don't see a problem with at all. I praise you for the fact that you didn't actually ridicule Kirby or say that he sucks like some other people would have. This is likely because you know that he can be used against MK, but you'd prefer to use Snake as you think it is easier to win against MK using Snake from experience. What I don't like other people doing is that they ridicule characters depending on their tier position. I see this happening a lot, especially with MK and Snake (People say that they are too "cheap/broken". WHO CARES!) as well as C.Falcon and Ganondorf (People say things like: "There is no skill required to beat them". RUBBISH!). Some people actually take offense from this when they hear/see it and it'll only do you damage later. Falconv1.0 is a good role model for character respect! Start following his example and stop treating other characters like garbage based on their tier position. That's just plain wrong to do. It'll only haunt you later at your next tourney where you'll take these characters either too seriously or lightly. You don't want that to happen people do you?

Screw that darn tier list! Maybe if tiers didn't exist, NOBODY would be judging characters based on their tier position and everybody could just go back to using who they like. Either using someone from a game they liked, who they thought was awesome or liked them for their moveset. I remember those good old days when Smash first came out on the N64. We just chose who we liked and ridiculed characters who we didn't like from their respective games. I don't mind that, but it's just that the tier list has screwed everyone over and now they can't choose who they like in fear of being judged by other people. The tier list can burn in **** for all I care!

To sum everything up, don't neglect other people's thoughts but actually use them as guidelines. Especially with the ones I mentioned above. I had it happen to me within the first few days of registering here, but I've worked my way around that only up to now. Seriously, some of you don't know how sensitive some people are. Some people actually feel really bad when you completely cut off what they suggest. Just correct them if they are really off track in a mature way. (Which Asdioh, I think you did a fairly good job of.) Unless if what the person posts is not suitable to the topic, is inappropriate for people to hear/read or is just plainly stupid. (like someone ridiculing a certain character.) After all, people are just trying to help each other out.


I don't care what anybody thinks about what I just said, I'm just putting my thoughts out there about why certain people act like this/feel strongly about their opinion on something, why the tier list is stupid and what I currently think of other people's attitudes toward each other in discussions like this. Everyone is entitled to their thoughts IMO. Again, I don't know how peoples minds exactly work here or whether the people I mentioned in this post are like how I theorized them to be for the same reason I mentioned in my last post. BTW Falconv1.0, how did you know that I used to lurk around the boards...? O_O Or are you just saying that for the hell of it? Meh, it doesn't matter. I'm a member of this community now anyway and I'm starting to like being here! ^_^

 

[Asdioh]

Or you could use the Kirby trio, they cover up a good amount of bad match up's to.

MK and DDD are great for covering Kirby. I tried doing that but I felt like it took too much attention off my main.

You know I think it's true, maining Kirby, with the D3 and MK second, would probably cover any matchup you need.

And it shouldn't take TOO much attention off, they all have pretty similar playstyles. Kirby is like a balance between D3 (heavy and slow) and MK (light and fast)

It's just that I dislike playing MK and Dedede, but love playing Kirby.

 

[Falconv1.0]

You know I think it's true, maining Kirby, with the D3 and MK second, would probably cover any matchup you need.

And it shouldn't take TOO much attention off, they all have pretty similar playstyles. Kirby is like a balance between D3 (heavy and slow) and MK (light and fast)

It's just that I dislike playing MK and Dedede, but love playing Kirby.

The problem is I start playing Mk more than Kirby in match ups when i could prolly play Kirby.

I love MK, DDD is cool, never completely got used to his odd playstyle.

@Atria-Note that anyone who thinks the tier list affects a match up is stupid, you should ignore them, lol. Big thumbs up on the giant paragraphs. XP (Also my argument was more based towards people saying you keep Kirby not sue Snake, not that you cant use Kirby. So basically I'm neutral with you, I'm throwing balls of fire at other people)

 

[pkblaze]

to pkblaze: For your first question, a good MK player when against a Kirby won't choose to fight in the air much and generally want to have a grounded game against Kirby. They can still choose to attack you from the air if they want, but they'll stay grounded most of the time against Kirby entering the air only when necessary because of Kirby's Bair.

Anyway yeah, I've only done this about two times. I'm a bit foggy on the details, but I think that Kirby has to either fast fall his Bair or do it while he is rising. Not quite too sure about the timing. Try that first and tell me if it worked or not. From the guide I looked at, they confirmed that a Short Hopped Fair (MK) can be beaten out of by a rising or a fast falled Bair (Kirby). BTW, I've got more interesting information for you Kirby users/mains: Kirby's Bair can attack an approaching tornado if it hits at a certain point close to the top. (Again, don't quite remember where.) A grounded shuttle loop is capable of shutting down Kirby's Bair approach. Lastly, at maximum inhale range, shuttle loop will hit Kirby so be aware about that.

For your second question, I'm not quite sure what you mean about Pseudo USmash. From what I researched, it was a technique that only existed in Melee. Not even these forums mention that you can do it in Brawl. Are you sure it's called this? You'll have to inform me about how it's done if I can answer this question for you... Maybe someone else knows about this? FYI, I haven't really started looking at AT's yet, so IDK if it falls under that catergory. You'll have to ask somebody else that last question because IDK what a Pseudo USmash is. Sorry about that. Also, I don't use Snake, (In my earlier post, I mentioned that I suck at using him well.) so that's pobably why IDK what a Pseudo USmash is. I'm good at using Marth however so I THINK I can still help you with this question if only you tell me what a Pseudo USmash is.

first question: isn't there some way i can lure him into the air? because if shuttle loop beats Bair, we're ****ed when it comes to approaching.

Pseudo usmash is just what my friends and i call it. i figured that snakes up-air is better than up-tilt, so i short hopped an upair once, and it came out like an upsmash. my friend thought i just upsmashed him, so we called it pseudo upsmash. its short-hop-->uair.

 

[momochuu]

Dedede/Snake or MK/Dedede

And my goodness at the ChuDat hate. Give the guy a break, jesus. >___>;

 

[Falconv1.0]

Dedede/Snake or MK/Dedede

And my goodness at the ChuDat hate. Give the guy a break, jesus. >___>;

I never ever said **** about Chu Dat, I said the one Chu Dat vs Inui video was not a good representation of the match up, or hell not even that set. Inui did much better later on.

Chut Dat **** talkers deserve to die.

 

[Atria]

first question: isn't there some way i can lure him into the air? because if shuttle loop beats Bair, we're ****ed when it comes to approaching.

Pseudo usmash is just what my friends and i call it. i figured that snakes up-air is better than up-tilt, so i short hopped an upair once, and it came out like an upsmash. my friend thought i just upsmashed him, so we called it pseudo upsmash. its short-hop-->uair.

Okay, I'll tackle the easier question first. For your second question, I wouldn't use the Pseudo USmash against Marth. Remember in my initial post how I said that I said that Marth ***** Snake when it comes to aerial combat? Yeah, I wouldn't use his Uair if I were you. Because, if you miss with the Uair or if Marth shields it, you would be pretty screwed. (I know you short-hopped it, but most of Snake's aerials suck IMO. His Uair is good for KO'ing however.) This is because of the landing lag because Snake didn't do the full animation like he would've done so in the air. FYI, U-tilt and Uair have similar KO power when used on a grounded opponent. (I KO'ed Mario at around a similar % with both the Uair AND U-tilt.) IMO, Snake's U-tilt is FAR better that his Uair and I'll tell you why.

Do you even know the range of his U-tilt? IDK how long you've been here for, but have you heard all the people's complaints about Snake's U-tilt? This is because it has a deceptively huge range to it. It catches SO MANY people off guard. I thought it sucked when I first saw it, but the more Snakes I fought online, the more they beat the c*** out of me using that move. Later, I've come to realise and respect the power AND range of Snake's U-tilt. Therefore, Snake's U-tilt has FAR better range than his Uair. Use it more often and you should be happy with the results. It also leaves you firmly grounded which is important for Snake, especially when against Marth. Also if you don't short-hop properly, you've just given yourself an opening because Marth can exploit your weakness of Snake being in the air by juggling and comboing you badly using his superb aerial attacks. If this does happen to you, don't try to take him on! Marth clearly bests Snake in aerial combat. Get back down to the ground ASAP before he has a chance to finish you off! Therefore, don't risk using the Pseudo USmash with Snake now that you understand these facts!

To sum this paragraph up, Snake's U-tilt is better than his Uair because it has better range, leaves Snake grounded in case you don't short-hop properly, easier to land on your opponent IMO and has good KO potential if kept fresh. Uair is fairly similar to U-tilt in terms of KO potential however.

Okay for your response to my first question, It's not that bad. It's not like as if MK can spam that thing against you because he's got to cancel that glide before he can unleash another one which will leave him in a fall-special (State where he's helpless.) and you can punish him with a grab, smash or whatever. The damage produced isn't too great either. It only does about 9% damage at most when he first uses it and it'll get worse from there. My tip for you to prevent potential overuse of this move from happening, don't try to attack MK when he's underneath a platform. If you do, he'll use the ^B without a care in the world because MK can cancel his glide much more quickly on a platform. How this works is that MK rises above the platform slightly after using the ^B and then can just press B or use the glide attack (I think glide attack more IMO.) to land on the platform in a split second and you can't punish him because he won't be left in a helpless state like he would have been before if there were no platform above him to begin with. Therefore, MK can launch another one at any time he wants. Depending on how far you are, he may have enough time to drop through the platform again and repeat the process. Make sure you remember this!

The best advice I can give you when it comes to getting MK in the air is probably to use attacks which launch him into the air. Since you'll be fighting MK on the ground to begin with, I suggest you try and shield grab any of his ground attacks if MK within Kirby's grab range. (Which I find hard.) Or even better, you could try and bait him into using ^B by trying to make it obvious that you'll try to attack him with your Bair by approaching him with your back turned to him. Dodge the ^B when you think he'll use it and grab him. Opponent's IMO, will have that natural reaction to try and shield themselves when they land. Also, don't just rush in with your back turned to him, approach him wisely, otherwise you may eat up a different attack for what the opponent will see fit! Once you grab MK, use your throw which knocks him into the air the highest or which can combo into a U-tilt. (I forgot which throw, maybe D-throw?) IDK if this last one will work, but maybe you can force them to jump with the shockwave from your ^B if they're not good at power shielding.

Yeah, that's all I can give you for the last one. I'm not entirely confident about how to get MK into the air. I haven't fought anybody decent for a while. So it's hard for me to recall my best method on doing this. Maybe other people can help me add to this? Do try what I suggested however and do remember that you won't be completely shut down against MK's ^B if you do follow I said in my first paragraph for this question.

I love MK, DDD is cool, never completely got used to his odd playstyle.

Ditto. I Couldn't agree more with that, including what you said about DDD! =D

@Atria-Note that anyone who thinks the tier list affects a match up is stupid, you should ignore them, lol. Big thumbs up on the giant paragraphs. XP (Also my argument was more based towards people saying you keep Kirby not sue Snake, not that you cant use Kirby. So basically I'm neutral with you, I'm throwing balls of fire at other people)

I have a HUGE problem when it comes to simplifying things. I ALWAYS go into WAAAAY too much detail with everything! It's like as if I have this weird instinct to explain everything precisely whenever somebody asks me a question on a topic I know well. Especially when somebody wants to know how something works, if something is better than something else or not, what outcomes will occur from doing certain actions as well as judging whether doing that certain action will be right or not by weighing the positives and negative outcomes from doing that action! YOU SEE WHAT CHEMISTRY, PHYSICS AND BIOLOGY HAS DONE TO ME? I've got to experiment, research and write a report on everything I do now from doing those subjects! I even wrote a report on you guys when it came to what factors affect people's decisions plus how you guys should reply to comments/suggestions in my earlier post! I also did one on how people react to tier lists! GAAAH! Look at me now! I'm even doing a report on why I can't simplify things; I'm even using words I use commonly in science! *Facepalms themself and exaggerates* Ehhhhh. I've got serious problems...

 

[Falconv1.0]

I have a HUGE problem when it comes to simplifying things. I ALWAYS go into WAAAAY too much detail with everything! It's like as if I have this weird instinct to explain everything precisely whenever somebody asks me a question on a topic I know well. Especially when somebody wants to know how something works, if something is better than something else or not, what outcomes will occur from doing certain actions as well as judging whether doing that certain action will be right or not by weighing the positives and negative outcomes from doing that action! YOU SEE WHAT CHEMISTRY, PHYSICS AND BIOLOGY HAS DONE TO ME? I've got to experiment, research and write a report on everything I do now from doing those subjects! I even wrote a report on you guys when it came to what factors affect people's decisions plus how you guys should reply to comments/suggestions in my earlier post! I also did one on how people react to tier lists! GAAAH! Look at me now! I'm even doing a report on why I can't simplify things; I'm even using words I use commonly in science! *Facepalms themself and exaggerates* Ehhhhh. I've got serious problems...

Good thing I'm really trying to avoid physics, chemistry, and biology.

^___^

 

[fromundaman]

Atria, while I am going to assume from Falcon's statements that what you're saying is smart and accurate, I really don't have enough time today to read through those posts, so don't assume anything here is directed at you.


I agree, that Chu Dat vs Inui match proves nothing. Let's put it this way, Chu Dat played well and Inui played like ****.
Hell, Inui got hit by TWO gonzo combos, something MK shouldn't ever get hit by...


Falcon, isn't 45-55 considered pretty much neutral? (I mean that's what I'd put that match-up at too, so what I meant when I said it was neutral.)

@Asidoh: Meh, fanboys will be fanboys, regardless what the fanboyishness is for.

Kirby can KO MK at 80%, as this video showed.

Stop pretending you need a beard to beat Meta Knight.

IF your Fsmash is fresh AND you're near the ledge AND/OR the MK player doesn't DI/momentum cancel. Realistically speaking, with both DI and momentum cancel, the MK I play will regularly live until at least 120% from a fresh Fsmash on Smashville, more if it's stale or on a bigger stage.

Heh... if that were the only requirement Ganon would be so much higher on the tier list...

 

[Atria]

This may sound stupid people, but I'm going to teach you about how to read my giant walls of text of an answer the next time you ever see one. If you see one pop-up again somewhere in the Kirby boards. Or if you are feeling adventurous and want to look at other character boards, (Ones to look out for are Ike, Marth, MK, Lucario and the Olimar boards mostly. Sometimes Pit, P.T., ROB and G&W.) here is what you should do... (I've included 3 examples so everyone understands what to look out for.)

Example 1

Okay, I'll tackle the easier question first. For your second question, I wouldn't use the Pseudo USmash against Marth. Remember in my initial post how I said that I said that Marth ***** Snake when it comes to aerial combat? Yeah, I wouldn't use his Uair if I were you. Because, if you miss with the Uair or if Marth shields it, you would be pretty screwed. (I know you short-hopped it, but most of Snake's aerials suck IMO. His Uair is good for KO'ing however.) This is because of the landing lag because Snake didn't do the full animation like he would've done so in the air. FYI, U-tilt and Uair have similar KO power when used on a grounded opponent. (I KO'ed Mario at around a similar % with both the Uair AND U-tilt.) IMO, Snake's U-tilt is FAR better that his Uair and I'll tell you why.

Do you even know the range of his U-tilt? IDK how long you've been here for, but have you heard all the people's complaints about Snake's U-tilt? This is because it has a deceptively huge range to it. It catches SO MANY people off guard. I thought it sucked when I first saw it, but the more Snakes I fought online, the more they beat the c*** out of me using that move. Later, I've come to realise and respect the power AND range of Snake's U-tilt. Therefore, Snake's U-tilt has FAR better range than his Uair. Use it more often and you should be happy with the results. It also leaves you firmly grounded which is important for Snake, especially when against Marth. Also if you don't short-hop properly, you've just given yourself an opening because Marth can exploit your weakness of Snake being in the air by juggling and comboing you badly using his superb aerial attacks. If this does happen to you, don't try to take him on! Marth clearly bests Snake in aerial combat. Get back down to the ground ASAP before he has a chance to finish you off! Therefore, don't risk using the Pseudo USmash with Snake now that you understand these facts!

To sum this paragraph up, Snake's U-tilt is better than his Uair because it has better range, leaves Snake grounded in case you don't short-hop properly, easier to land on your opponent IMO and has good KO potential if kept fresh. Uair is fairly similar to U-tilt in terms of KO potential however.

READER: OH NO! It's one of Atria's posts which has a giant wall of text included! What should I do? I don't want to read ALL of that just to answer 1 question of mine...
Atria: Good news for you then! You don't have to read everything I typed!
READER: But how? It feels like my brain will explode if I just read it for a minute...
Atria: Don't be silly! Look at the paragraph I bolded...
READER: Wait... Is this... a SUMMARY?!
Atria: Right you are! People, if you just want a flat out answer in 1 second, keep an eye out for where I'd say something like: "To sum up this paragraph/section" etc. This is where I come to a conclusion on what you should use, do etc. according to my findings. If you think that what I mentioned is incorrect, read through the other paragraphs above the summary first. That's my "research" on why I came to that conclusion. If you still think I'm wrong, by all means correct me! There! You probably saved yourself 30 minutes of reading worthless information that you probably already knew about, but just wanted an answer for your question! Remember, all science reports need to have a precise conclusion to them so that when people read it, they can find out what the answer is immediately! They can also begin correct you straight away from just reading the conclusion if you were wrong!


Example 2 (This is an example I dug out from the Ike boards...)

Stages that benefit Ike are:
Battlefield: Due to Ike being able to handle people well on platforms as well as projectile spam being less effective here.
Green Greens + Corneria: Because of the low ceiling and fairly close horizontal blast zones.
Pirate Ship: Because Ike can't be gimped off stage and you can also spike people through the water using Dair to get easy KO's.
Yoshi's Island (melee) + Brinstar: Not as good as the previously mentioned stages, but you can aether slide here when you use aether on a slope. This causes you to attack and slide away from opponents when you use aether on them.

Technically stages that have platforms and close blastzones + low ceilings are the stages that Ike does well on because of his ability to KO opponents at lower %'s and he has a lot of moves which can attack above platforms compared to most of the cast.

Stages that don't benefit Ike are:
Jungle Japes: Because of the high ceiling making it harder for you to KO opponents and how easy it is for opponents to gimp you into the water where about 75% of the time, you'll die once you're in there depending on the circumstances.
Frigate Orpheon + Skyworld: Ike can be gimped even more easily off stage because of his subpar recovery. FO has only 1 ledge to begin with meaning that Ike can be easily gimped off the side which doesn't have a ledge. Also in Skyworld, the ledges can be destroyed hindering Ike's chances of returning to the stage once knocked off.
Final Destination: If against projectile spammers or chaingrabers on this stage, they can spam projectiles and or chaingrab you more easily because of the lack of platforms there are for you to use. Also, if you don't recover carefully, you'll get caught under the stage lip (Located underneath the ledge.) and you'll fall to your death once you're caught under there because of Ike's subpar recovery.

Technically, stages that have no platforms and or a high ceiling + far away blast zones won't benefit any of Ike's abilities and you'll have to work harder to win. Also, if you're on a stage where it's hard to recover back on stage, it'll be easier for opponents to KO you due to Ike's poor recovery.

READER: MUUUUM! Atria did it again! I just wanted to find out what type of stages Ike does well on, but she's provided me with all of this information which hurts my eyes when I try to read it! I also can't understand all of those big words she used for this post... What does gimped mean? What's an aether slide? What does a spike mean? I don't even understand why Ike is able to handle people on platforms so well and...
READER'S MOTHER: OH SHUT UP! It's always one question after another with you! There's something called a dictionary, USE IT!!! Also, why are you asking ME those questions?! I NEVER PLAYED THAT STUPID GAME TO BEGIN WITH!!! Go annoy someone else you stupid kid!!!
Atria: Oh, poor kid... Why don't you look at the bolded paragraphs?
READER: Oh! These sentences are SOOO much easier to understand! I understand now what stages Ike should go against opponents on! YAAAAY!
Atria: That's good! People, my summaries also contain basic answers too! If you don't understand some terms like that, read my summaries. They should also explain why a character is good against someone/on a certain stage/at doing something etc. If I didn't explain clearly enough or didn't put that in at all, ask me why I came to that conclusion! (Or ask someone else if I'm absent.) I'll be happy to help out! "Technically, (Characters name) does well on this stage/against someone else because..." Is another another type of sentence to look out for!

Example 3

Okay for your response to my first question, It's not that bad. It's not like as if MK can spam that thing against you because he's got to cancel that glide before he can unleash another one which will leave him in a fall-special (State where he's helpless.) and you can punish him with a grab, smash or whatever. The damage produced isn't too great either. It only does about 9% damage at most when he first uses it and it'll get worse from there. My tip for you to prevent potential overuse of this move from happening, don't try to attack MK when he's underneath a platform. If you do, he'll use the ^B without a care in the world because MK can cancel his glide much more quickly on a platform. How this works is that MK rises above the platform slightly after using the ^B and then can just press B or use the glide attack (I think glide attack more IMO.) to land on the platform in a split second and you can't punish him because he won't be left in a helpless state like he would have been before if there were no platform above him to begin with. Therefore, MK can launch another one at any time he wants. Depending on how far you are, he may have enough time to drop through the platform again and repeat the process. Make sure you remember this!

The best advice I can give you when it comes to getting MK in the air is probably to use attacks which launch him into the air. Since you'll be fighting MK on the ground to begin with, I suggest you try and shield grab any of his ground attacks if MK within Kirby's grab range. (Which I find hard.) Or even better, you could try and bait him into using ^B by trying to make it obvious that you'll try to attack him with your Bair by approaching him with your back turned to him. Dodge the ^B when you think he'll use it and grab him. Opponent's IMO, will have that natural reaction to try and shield themselves when they land. Also, don't just rush in with your back turned to him, approach him wisely, otherwise you may eat up a different attack for what the opponent will see fit! Once you grab MK, use your throw which knocks him into the air the highest or which can combo into a U-tilt. (I forgot which throw, maybe D-throw?) IDK if this last one will work, but maybe you can force them to jump with the shockwave from your ^B if they're not good at power shielding.

Yeah, that's all I can give you for the last one. I'm not entirely confident about how to get MK into the air. I haven't fought anybody decent for a while. So it's hard for me to recall my best method on doing this. Maybe other people can help me add to this? Do try what I suggested however and do remember that you won't be completely shut down against MK's ^B if you do follow I said in my first paragraph for this question.

READER: Alright! I finally have an answer to my question! I wonder if this answer is accurate! I hope it works too! Let's see... "It's not like as if MK can spam that thing against you because..." Zzzzzzz.......
Atria:...Oh, that person fell asleep trying to read my answer and they didn't even finish reading through 1 paragraph... People, if you are wondering whether one of my answer's to a question is valid or not, again check my concluding paragraph. (Which is bolded BTW.) In that conclusion, it should have my thoughts and feelings about the answer I produced. It also should tell you what you should do after reading my answer. If I'm wrong, DON'T go haywire and go off saying to everyone: "Oh this person isn't right at all! This person SUCKS at this game, nobody listen to her!" Because I HATE it when people do that... a LOT. Just correct me if I was wrong and go ask someone else who is more experienced than I am at this game. If possible, share what answer you got with me because I love learning new things and how to do things right! As you may have already guessed, I'm the type of person who does hunger for knowledge.

I'll remind everyone here: I have NOT been to any tourneys nor have I found any rivals which match my skill yet. Also, Wi-Fi sucks recently due to a lack of good people. I do know a lot of basic stuff, but if questions are a little more advanced like the one above this paragraph, I may not be able to give you a good solution to that problem due to my lack of experience fighting good people. Therefore, I recommend that you ask the people who are more experienced than I am.

Now you people should have an idea on what to do the next time you encounter another one of my "Giant wall of text" post of an answer. Read the concluding paragraph I provided, and you should be good to go from there. If you doubt my summary, read what I put above the conclusion. It has all the information on why I reached this conclusion. If I'm still incorrect, correct me! I like to learn new things and how things work properly! Finally if I am incorrect, don't be an a****** and make it sound like that it should be a world wide fact that I suck at this game. If you do, I'll bury you so deep with my giant walls of text just by complaining about how stupid you are and there will be no conclusion! I'll just keep ranting on forever and your brain will literally explode. This explosion will cause a super headache followed by strained eyes from you trying to read my forever going page long arguments! Don't say that I didn't warn you about it... I'll let you know now that I'm capable of doing it.

Good thing I'm really trying to avoid physics, chemistry, and biology.

^___^

But science is interesting and to me, a lot of fun! Oh well, I guess you'll have to suffer not knowing about how things exactly work or how things are exactly made in this world. It's your loss...

 

[momochuu]

tl;dr. :]

Jksies, I read it all.

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[Falconv1.0]

I apparently am the only one on the face of the earth with no issue reading large paragraphs.

 

[Atria]

I apparently am the only one on the face of the earth with no issue reading large paragraphs.

That's cool if you can do that, including anyone else that can do so, but I don't think anyone should stress their eyes like that just to read what I've got to say. ^_^ Sorry for all of those huge walls of text everyone... >_>

Falconv1.0, are you trying to say that you're immune to my "Giant wall of text" head explosion attack?

 

[Falconv1.0]

Falconv1.0, are you trying to say that you're immune to my "Giant wall of text" head explosion attack?

Yeah basically.

Anyways, I think we can sum this topic up with three names.

DDD, MK, Snake.

 

[Asdioh]

And my goodness at the ChuDat hate. Give the guy a break, jesus. >___>;

I'm guessing that was mostly directed at me, but let me say that I don't hate him at all. I'm simply saying that this specific match is a terribad, biased example, and that he doesn't like to have his matches recorded and put on youtube, except for this one for the lols. I'm saying I wish I could see a recent match of him playing against a MK who plays well in the match.

And I'm also saying that I wish the people who watch Youtube videos were more intelligent.

Atria,


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ok I just read some of your giant paragraphs. I'm not really paying tons of attention to this discussion, but I noticed this:

Or even better, you could try and bait him into using ^B by trying to make it obvious that you'll try to attack him with your Bair by approaching him with your back turned to him. Dodge the ^B when you think he'll use it and grab him. Opponent's IMO, will have that natural reaction to try and shield themselves when they land.

It's good advice, but here's the problem with MK, and the biggest reason Inui failed so bad in that match against Chudat: defense. MK's offensive game is SO GOOD that he can perform perfectly well in most matches without even touching the shield button. The reason Inui was getting hit so much was because he was shielding/dodging too much (and using moves that are pretty punishable, lol hammer to the face during glide offstage)

After MK Shuttle Loops and does his Glide Attack right before he hits the ground (another thing Inui should have done, there is almost no need to cancel Shuttle Loop with B when you could attack with A), he has (almost?) NO landing lag, and he can immediately attack. And as we all know by now, MK's downsmash is obscenely fast.

So obviously, Shuttle Loop can be dodged, but he will follow up with the Glide Attack and Downsmash. You will need incredible timing to land a grab, even if he did expect you to do a Bair when you actually just baited him.

That's the problem fighting MK, mindgames and such are pretty ineffective when he can just spam lagless moves that have amazing reach @_@

 

[Falconv1.0]

I say MK vs Kirby isn't neutral because Kirby has nothing in the match that gives him an edge. MK vs Falco is basically neutral because it's dependent on what the players do, like if the Falco gets an early cg he can camp with his lasers til he has a kill, but if Mk can get in his face and get him off stage he's basically ****ed. That is more neutral than a match where MK has all the advantages and his opponent just isn't *****, aka Kirby vs Meta.

 

[fromundaman]

I dunno Falcon... Kirby Dthrow>Utilt seems to work really well, especially since most MK's don't realize that the only way to get out of it under 40% is to jump immediately after the Utilt. If you go to Dair Kirby, you get shieldgrabbed then Dthrow>Utilt again. That brings you to 40%, at which point doing Utilt will only get you a Dair. But all I'm saying is that getting MK to 40% is really easy for Kirby if you can land a grab. After that, well, that's when it gets tough, because, as you said, other than that, Kirby really has no edge in this matchup. He has ways to counter certain moves and techniques MK uses, but most of the match will be spent playing very defensively and waiting for MK to make a move.

Also Atria, your explanation made me laugh. I'll read the summaries from now on (and even sometimes the actual reasoning too!), just please don't hurt me with that brain explosion!

 

[Asdioh]

Well that's the thing, a smart MK will airdodge+jump up with upwards DI after the Dthrow (Like I do in Kirby dittos...I'd assume MK has an even easier time getting out of it)

So all you have then is 12% on him from Dthrow, and he's in the air while you're on the ground.

Fthrow->uair is inescapable (right?) and that's 18%. It's better, but still pretty hard to followup after that, because again, a good player will airdodge and DI away, so you can't grab again, or reverse uptilt, or Bair, or anything.

The only advantage Kirby has in this matchup is Fsmash. And it's not really a big advantage, being as punishable as it is.

Oh, and apparently you can time a Bair to hit in between the multihit portions of MK's Fair. >_>

 

[fromundaman]

Well that's the thing, a smart MK will airdodge+jump up with upwards DI after the Dthrow (Like I do in Kirby dittos...I'd assume MK has an even easier time getting out of it)

So all you have then is 12% on him from Dthrow, and he's in the air while you're on the ground.

Fthrow->uair is inescapable (right?) and that's 18%. It's better, but still pretty hard to followup after that, because again, a good player will airdodge and DI away, so you can't grab again, or reverse uptilt, or Bair, or anything.

The only advantage Kirby has in this matchup is Fsmash. And it's not really a big advantage, being as punishable as it is.

Oh, and apparently you can time a Bair to hit in between the multihit portions of MK's Fair. >_>

A buffered Utilt actually hits before the AD, and yeah, he can jump out, but the timing is kind of strict. I don't know, my friend's MK doesn't always manage to do it, and even when he does, he still has trouble landing.
Fthrow>Uair does hit, I believe (though he may be able to SL you before the Uair, not certain), but I've been hit by Nair and Fair after the Uair, so I stopped using it.

Meh, I find Fsmash somewhat situational in this matchup, if only because it can be outranged by a lot of things and is, as you said, very punishable.

Yeah, Bair can hit through his Fair, which is nice. Too bad Ftilt beats it.

 

[A1lion835]

I just played an MK, and he kept on nairing me after the fthrow. So yea, he's more broken than we thought.

 

[Lord Viper]

What move were you using after the throw? U-Air, F-Air or Up-B?

 

[A1lion835]

I didn't get a chance to use the move (it would've been a uair). He naired before I could even input the uair.

 

[Lord Viper]

Hmm, maybe your reaction speed wasn't very fast, Meta Knight shouldn't have able to hit you when he's around 0% and you grabed him.

 

[Atria]

Ok I just read some of your giant paragraphs. I'm not really paying tons of attention to this discussion, but I noticed this:
It's good advice, but here's the problem with MK, and the biggest reason Inui failed so bad in that match against Chudat: defense. MK's offensive game is SO GOOD that he can perform perfectly well in most matches without even touching the shield button. The reason Inui was getting hit so much was because he was shielding/dodging too much (and using moves that are pretty punishable, lol hammer to the face during glide offstage)

After MK Shuttle Loops and does his Glide Attack right before he hits the ground (another thing Inui should have done, there is almost no need to cancel Shuttle Loop with B when you could attack with A), he has (almost?) NO landing lag, and he can immediately attack. And as we all know by now, MK's downsmash is obscenely fast.

So obviously, Shuttle Loop can be dodged, but he will follow up with the Glide Attack and Downsmash. You will need incredible timing to land a grab, even if he did expect you to do a Bair when you actually just baited him.

That's the problem fighting MK, mindgames and such are pretty ineffective when he can just spam lagless moves that have amazing reach @_@

Yeah, that was the ONLY answer I was unconfident about. Thanks for the advice!

Also Atria, your explanation made me laugh. I'll read the summaries from now on (and even sometimes the actual reasoning too!), just please don't hurt me with that brain explosion!

(Exaggerates) Ehhhhh... The next logical thing people are probably going to do next is ask the mods to PLEASE get this stickied JUST BECAUSE of my guide to reading my giant wall of text answers of a post...

Oh, I guess I'll spare your life for now. This is just because more people are yet to read my "guide". Otherwise if that doesn't happen, people are going to be thinking "WTH is this person trying to achieve spamming giant walls of text everywhere in this post?" Also another reason is that you understood the meaning of my guide which was good. Lastly, I don't think I can do that to a person who is going to be doing ALL OF MY WORK with referring people to read my summaries next time I do a post that big.

I'm just joking! Or am I...?

Anyways, I think we can sum this topic up with three names.

DDD Marth, MK, Snake.

What about Marth? Because when it came to Kirby's bad match-ups, (Marth, G&W, MK and Olimar from what I remember...) Marth was able to handle ALL of them expect he is at a slight disadvantage against MK. Infact, Marth SHOULD replace DDD because DDD is at a disadvantage either against G&W or MK compared to Marth who has an advantage over G&W and is at a slight disadvantage against MK, but not at a disadvantage with BOTH MK AND G&W like DDD.

Errr... against another Marth you say? Hmm... If you're only wanting to select 2 mains I'd either select MK or Snake. Doesn't hurt to be slightly diverse with your characters though.

Yeah basically.

! O_O

YOU JUST HAD TO PUSH IT DIDN'T YOU? You made the wrong mistake there Falconv1.0 and YOU ARE GOING TO REGRET IT! Looks like I'll have to devise something for you... (Thinks for a moment...)
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...

*Atria recieves Kirby's hammer from Kirby himself.
*Atria got: Kirby's Hammer! (Kirby "copy ability obtained" sound effect plays here.)
*Atria breaks into Falconv1.0's house.
Falconv1.0: "Who the **** are you?"
Atria: "That's none of your business! I'm here to slay the evil Falconv1.0 from terrorizing and mocking people on SWF!"
Falconv1.0: "It says in the text box below that your name is Atria. Man you must be pretty stupid cause I was going to find out anyway."
Atria: "GAAAHH! NOBODY CORRECTS ME LIKE THAT! Your days of terrorizing and mocking people on SWF are OVER! Now you shall DIE!!!"

(Kirby Boss Battle Music Plays)

*Atria goes first. (Lol. I'm faster than you fatty!)
*Atria does HAMMER SLAM to Falconv1.0's Computer.
*Falconv1.0's Computer broke.
Atria: "HAH! Where's your God now Falconv1.0?! NOBODY CAN HELP YOU NOW THAT YOUR COMPUTER IS BROKEN!
*Falconv1.0's turn. (AKA, fatty's turn.)
Falconv1.0: "ARRRGGHH YOU B****! YOU BROKE MY COMPUTER!!! YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT! TAKE THIS!
*Falconv1.0 does MENTAL ABUSE ATTACK to Atria. The attack failed completely.
Atria: "Awww, poor Falconv1.0. What a shameful waste of a turn... NOW IT'S MY TURN TO ATTACK! Time to do some REAL damage!"
*Atria does FLAME HAMMER UPPERCUT SWING to Falconv1.0.
*Falconv1.0 flies through the roof into the clouds.
*Falconv1.0 can't move and is still rising above the clouds.
Atria: "Now to DESTROY THIS PLACE!"
*Atria uses WILD HAMMER SPIN to the building structure.
*Falconv1.0's house is on the verge of collapsing.
Atria: "Darn, I have to wait a turn. Oh well, not like anything is going to happen to me!"
*Falconv1.0 gets hit by a plane while he was rising through the clouds. IT"S SUPER EFFECTIVE!
*Falconv1.0 gets KO'd by the plane.
*Falconv1.0 plummets back down to his 3/4 destroyed house at a high speed.
Atria: OH C*** I HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE!
*Atria flees the building back to Australia.
*Falconv1.0 hits the floor of his house with a tremendous force.
*The house collapses on Falconv1.0.
*Falconv1.0 is KO'd badly by Atria, the plane and his house and is buried alive in the process.

*Atria wins the battle! Atria wins $100,000 from Falconv1.0's bank account as prize money.

*Atria logs on to Smash World Forums
Atria: "Everyone, I have freed you from the evil force called Falconv1.0. He is no longer able to walk on the Earth among the living and good hearted people. He won't terrorize or make fun of you any more people!
Eveyone on SWF: YAAAAAAAAAAY!
Atria: OH I RULE!

 

[Lord Viper]

LMAO, Atria last post. But yea, Marth should be in the catogory of one of the top chracters that compliment Kirby.

 

[MK26]

Yeah, that was the ONLY answer I was unconfident about. Thanks for the advice!




(Exaggerates) Ehhhhh... The next logical thing people are probably going to do next is ask the mods to PLEASE get this stickied JUST BECAUSE of my guide to reading my giant wall of text answers of a post...

Oh, I guess I'll spare your life for now. This is just because more people are yet to read my "guide". Otherwise if that doesn't happen, people are going to be thinking "WTH is this person trying to achieve spamming giant walls of text everywhere in this post?" Also another reason is that you understood the meaning of my guide which was good. Lastly, I don't think I can do that to a person who is going to be doing ALL OF MY WORK with referring people to read my summaries next time I do a post that big.

I'm just joking! Or am I...?




What about Marth? Because when it came to Kirby's bad match-ups, (Marth, G&W, MK and Olimar from what I remember...) Marth was able to handle ALL of them expect he is at a slight disadvantage against MK. Infact, Marth SHOULD replace DDD because DDD is at a disadvantage either against G&W or MK compared to Marth who has an advantage over G&W and is at a slight disadvantage against MK, but not at a disadvantage with BOTH MK AND G&W like DDD.

Errr... against another Marth you say? Hmm... If you're only wanting to select 2 mains I'd either select MK or Snake. Doesn't hurt to be slightly diverse with your characters though.




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YOU JUST HAD TO PUSH IT DIDN'T YOU? You made the wrong mistake there Falconv1.0 and YOU ARE GOING TO REGRET IT! Looks like I'll have to devise something for you... (Thinks for a moment...)
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*Atria recieves Kirby's hammer from Kirby himself.
*Atria got: Kirby's Hammer! (Kirby "copy ability obtained" sound effect plays here.)
*Atria breaks into Falconv1.0's house.
Falconv1.0: "Who the **** are you?"
Atria: "That's none of your business! I'm here to slay the evil Falconv1.0 from terrorizing and mocking people on SWF!"
Falconv1.0: "It says in the text box below that your name is Atria. Man you must be pretty stupid cause I was going to find out anyway."
Atria: "GAAAHH! NOBODY CORRECTS ME LIKE THAT! Your days of terrorizing and mocking people on SWF are OVER! Now you shall DIE!!!"

(Kirby Boss Battle Music Plays)

*Atria goes first. (Lol. I'm faster than you fatty!)
*Atria does HAMMER SLAM to Falconv1.0's Computer.
*Falconv1.0's Computer broke.
Atria: "HAH! Where's your God now Falconv1.0?! NOBODY CAN HELP YOU NOW THAT YOUR COMPUTER IS BROKEN!
*Falconv1.0's turn. (AKA, fatty's turn.)
Falconv1.0: "ARRRGGHH YOU B****! YOU BROKE MY COMPUTER!!! YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT! TAKE THIS!
*Falconv1.0 does MENTAL ABUSE ATTACK to Atria. The attack failed completely.
Atria: "Awww, poor Falconv1.0. What a shameful waste of a turn... NOW IT'S MY TURN TO ATTACK! Time to do some REAL damage!"
*Atria does FLAME HAMMER UPPERCUT SWING to Falconv1.0. Falconv1.0 flys through the roof into the clouds.
*Falconv1.0 can't move and is still rising above the clouds.
Atria: "Now to DESTROY THIS PLACE!"
*Atria uses WILD HAMMER SPIN to the building structure.
*Falconv1.0's house is on the verge of collapsing.
Atria: "Darn, I have to wait a turn. Oh well, not like anything is going to happen to me!"
*Falconv1.0 hits a plane while he was rising through the clouds. IT"S SUPER EFFECTIVE!
*Falconv1.0 gets KO'd by the plane.
*Falconv1.0 plummets back down to his 3/4 destroyed house at a high speed.
Atria: OH C*** I HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE!
*Atria flees the building back to Australia.
*Falconv1.0 hits the floor of his house with a tremendous force.
*The house collapses on Falconv1.0.
*Falconv1.0 is KO'd badly by Atria, the plane and his house and is buried alive in the process.

*Atria wins the battle! Atria wins $100,000 from Falconv1.0's bank account as prize money.

*Atria logs on to Smash World Forums
Atria: "Everyone, I have freed you from the evil force called Falconv1.0. He is no longer able to walk on the Earth among the living and good hearted people. He won't terrorize or make fun of you any more people!
Eveyone on SWF: YAAAAAAAAAAY!
Atria: OH I RULE!

no u

 

[Falconv1.0]

lol@atria.

If someone broke into my house I would shoot them with my 12 gauge. If they broke my computer I would take out their legs then go to town on them with a circular saw.

 

[T-nuts]

no u

no me