Which characters compliment Kirby?

[A1lion835]

If you guys keep doing this, this thread's gonna get closed.

 

[Lord Viper]

If you guys keep doing this, this thread's gonna get closed.

☆ Only way this thread will be close if you post a lot of spam pictures of some sort that is not closely releated to the topic. Also, how many Kirby mains are Kirby/Snake mains? I hate Snake to the point I won't main him, so anyone who mains him knows how well the two works? And what are the weaknesses of the team? ☆

 

[pkblaze]

i think kirby + Marth works, doesn't it?

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

How about Kirby and Lucario? Both are balanced but favor a different game than the other.

 

[Lovely]

i think kirby + Marth works, doesn't it?

Good, but you still have to worry about Snake. And don't pick Marth when fighting King Dedede, or Meta Knight as well.

 

[Asdioh]

That's true. I can see Lucario doing decently against Marth...and against Snake...

Doesn't seem like he'd be a good match against G&W unless you're really good with him

Against Ice Climbers, who apparently some of you have trouble with, Lucario seems like a pretty good choice too.

Against Meta Knight...not the best choice, Kirby would probably do better, except for his lack of projectile.

*shrug*

I'm just wondering what to do against Diddy Kong now that I read this, after asking AlphaZealot for help on the Diddy/Kirby matchup:

Here's the truth about Diddy Kong: if you're on the ground, and he throws a banana at you, you're ****ed. Especially if he has another one nearby.

-if you shield the banana, he'll run in and grab you.
-if you spotdodge the banana, he'll run in and dash attack.
-if you get hit by the banana, he'll do either of those things, or whatever else he's capable of hitting you with at the moment.
-if you rolldodge away to avoid the banana, you might roll on top of it and slip, or he'll throw his other nearby one and hit you with that.
-if you rolldodge into him, that's obviously punishable.

Ok, so stay in the air, people tell me.
Well, you have to approach sometime. Diddy Kong will have a banana near him, and one in hand, most likely. Approaching him without bananas is hard enough, because his priority is at least decent, as are his ground and aerial movespeeds. He can camp with his peanut popgun, too. Now add in the bananas to the mix, and your approach options become extremely limited.

Say the banana is just barely behind him. Obviously, you're going to have to approach from the front. He will wait until you're in front of him or above him, and he'll throw the banana at you. That sucks. That leads into you getting comboed in the air. If he doesn't have a banana in hand, he can shieldgrab, or roll away, covered by his banana.

If you get him into the air, he's definitely not helpless. His Side B is extremely good, and his Fair might beat all your aerials, I haven't tested it, but I've heard something like that. His Bair, Uair, and even Dair aren't to be underestimated, either. His Nair doesn't seem so great, and I never see Diddys use it.

People say it's in Kirby's favor, I smell bull****. You can kill him with Fsmash (lol good luck) and gimp him offstage (Side B combined with an Up B that can be charged, again, good luck predicting correctly and gimping successfully.

"Hey,

I don't really think I can be much help. I've never lost to a Kirby in tournament or in online ladders and I also did a friendly set with ChuDat and beat him (2-1, but I think I 2 stock him and jv 2 stocked him the two games I won, while he beat me 1 stock mid% on his CP).

Basically, I have no idea what Kirby should do, lol.

-aZ"

 

[momochuu]

I like fighting Lucario as ICs. :]

 

[Asdioh]

I like fighting Lucario as ICs. :]

You like fighting everything as ICs.

But next time I go Kirby vs. ICs, I'll be like "NOW I'LL SHOW YOU! HRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" and then I'll show you why it's not in IC's favor >:O

 

[pkblaze]

How about Kirby and Lucario? Both are balanced but favor a different game than the other.

um...what? either way, i'd say the best cover up for kirby is snake. he covers up kirby the best (unless you count metaknight)

 

[Lord Viper]

But next time I go Kirby vs. ICs, I'll be like "NOW I'LL SHOW YOU! HRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" and then I'll show you why it's not in IC's favor >:O

☆ Maybe when she's feeling under the wether, you can have a chance. =P ☆

 

[Falconv1.0]

Asdioh get your head out of the clouds.

I dont even know wtf we are discussing, Snake is the best, good game. Marth is a ****ty pick when he isn't exactly amazing vs MK and Snake, match ups MK and Snake cover. I'd pick MK over Marth any day for a cp.

 

[Asdioh]

I'm just wondering what character is good against Diddy Krap, since he owns Kirby.

*checks the Diddy Kong boards to see if there are any characters Diddy isn't broken against*

 

[momochuu]

☆ Maybe when she's feeling under the wether, you can have a chance. =P ☆

I lol'd. xD

He did beat my ICs as captain falcon the other day though. That was pretty cool.

 

[Falconv1.0]

I'm just wondering what character is good against Diddy Krap, since he owns Kirby.

Since you say he owns Kirby, you have no chance atm cuz you dont know **** about the match apparently.

 

[SmileyStation]

Since you say he owns Kirby, you have no chance atm cuz you dont know **** about the match apparently.

Id like to add that catching nanas helps alot in this matchup and imo IS necessary. Also try b-airing diddy after he throws even one at you. Youd be surprised how you can change a Diddy players whole strat after he knows nanas dont work as well on you. Hell I know i was surprised. O_o

 

[A1lion835]

Since you say he owns Kirby, you have no chance atm cuz you dont know **** about the match apparently.

I get the sense you didn't read that thing in asdioh's post. Here it is for you:

Here's the truth about Diddy Kong: if you're on the ground, and he throws a banana at you, you're ****ed. Especially if he has another one nearby.

-if you shield the banana, he'll run in and grab you.
-if you spotdodge the banana, he'll run in and dash attack.
-if you get hit by the banana, he'll do either of those things, or whatever else he's capable of hitting you with at the moment.
-if you rolldodge away to avoid the banana, you might roll on top of it and slip, or he'll throw his other nearby one and hit you with that.
-if you rolldodge into him, that's obviously punishable.

Ok, so stay in the air, people tell me.
Well, you have to approach sometime. Diddy Kong will have a banana near him, and one in hand, most likely. Approaching him without bananas is hard enough, because his priority is at least decent, as are his ground and aerial movespeeds. He can camp with his peanut popgun, too. Now add in the bananas to the mix, and your approach options become extremely limited.

Say the banana is just barely behind him. Obviously, you're going to have to approach from the front. He will wait until you're in front of him or above him, and he'll throw the banana at you. That sucks. That leads into you getting comboed in the air. If he doesn't have a banana in hand, he can shieldgrab, or roll away, covered by his banana.

If you get him into the air, he's definitely not helpless. His Side B is extremely good, and his Fair might beat all your aerials, I haven't tested it, but I've heard something like that. His Bair, Uair, and even Dair aren't to be underestimated, either. His Nair doesn't seem so great, and I never see Diddys use it.

People say it's in Kirby's favor, I smell bull****. You can kill him with Fsmash (lol good luck) and gimp him offstage (Side B combined with an Up B that can be charged, again, good luck predicting correctly and gimping successfully.

Originally Posted by him
"Hey,

I don't really think I can be much help. I've never lost to a Kirby in tournament or in online ladders and I also did a friendly set with ChuDat and beat him (2-1, but I think I 2 stock him and jv 2 stocked him the two games I won, while he beat me 1 stock mid% on his CP).

Basically, I have no idea what Kirby should do, lol.

-aZ"

Um... does that clear things up?

And I even bolded and underlined the important parts for you.

 

[Asdioh]

He did beat my ICs as captain falcon the other day though. That was pretty cool.

I figured you were sandbagging

My Falcon was pretty good that day..heck, I was pretty good that day. I was on fire! My Fox was pure sex too bad nobody complimented it

Since you say he owns Kirby, you have no chance atm cuz you dont know **** about the match apparently.

I'd say I do, I've played a number of good Diddy Kongs on wifi, and of course AlphaZealot recently. The only time I was having an easy time against AZ was when he seemed to grow confident because he was far ahead in games/stock/percent. He stopped using bananas for about 20 seconds, and during that time the matchup became much easier.

So obviously, if Diddy didn't use bananas, I personally would have no trouble against him. However, Diddy Kong's gameplay is usually based around bananas, and no amount of Bair camping can make it any easier for me. Even if I were to camp Bair all day, he could just stand there spamming Peanuts, with a banana in hand and a banana sitting behind him. If I ever get in a slightly bad position, he will punish it.

I looked in the Diddy boards, they list it as 6:4 Kirby's favor too. However, they only had one post by a Kirby main in that discussion: MK26 copy/pasted the summary from the Kirby/Diddy matchup discussion, and the Diddys generally agreed. I just don't see any advantage Kirby has in the matchup, besides Fsmash (which is hard to land because of bananas) and Dair gimp (this is a definite possibility, but you have to get him off the stage first, and then read him right)

 

[A1lion835]

I'd say I do, I've played a number of good Diddy Kongs on wifi, and of course AlphaZealot recently. The only time I was having an easy time against AZ was when he seemed to grow confident because he was far ahead in games/stock/percent. He stopped using bananas for about 20 seconds, and during that time the matchup became much easier.

So obviously, if Diddy didn't use bananas, I personally would have no trouble against him. However, Diddy Kong's gameplay is usually based around bananas, and no amount of Bair camping can make it any easier for me. Even if I were to camp Bair all day, he could just stand there spamming Peanuts, with a banana in hand and a banana sitting behind him. If I ever get in a slightly bad position, he will punish it.

I looked in the Diddy boards, they list it as 6:4 Kirby's favor too. However, they only had one post by a Kirby main in that discussion: MK26 copy/pasted the summary from the Kirby/Diddy matchup discussion, and the Diddys generally agreed. I just don't see any advantage Kirby has in the matchup, besides Fsmash (which is hard to land because of bananas) and Dair gimp (this is a definite possibility, but you have to get him off the stage first, and then read him right)

See also: post above asdioh's.

 

[Falconv1.0]

So you guys seriously want me to believe MK vs Kirby is neutral and Diddy vs Kirby is ****.

Right.

Handling banana spam wins half the battle, then it's just prediction and other generic ****. I'm not saying Diddy is bad outside his bananas, I'm just saying when I feel comfortable with the spam I dont feel too threatened.

 

[Asdioh]

I guess handling bananas is something that takes practice, which is something I simply can't get on wifi or against computers. I could practice Diddy I suppose, but I hate playing him. Still, the fact that AZ beat Chudat (and it sounds like it was with ease) has to show something.

I'll use this post to convey good news though: I think I found smashers in my city. 8)
I don't know if they play Melee or Brawl, or both, but expect an improved Asdioh before long. You'll see how good I am when I actually have people to practice with offline!

To think that I came in 3rd last weekend after barely playing Brawl for over 2 weeks, and it was mostly wifi at that.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Asdioh, AZ beating Chu Dat doesn't mean ****. Chu Dat had a ****ing awesome set with Chillin's Snake OMG DAT MUST MEAN SUMTIN!

(obviously I dont think you're that stupid, but c'mon, AZ winning means nothing match up wise)

 

[Asdioh]

Well, I've never heard of or seen a video of a great Kirby vs a great Diddy. And like I said, maybe it's just a personal problem for me.

So the people that hold local smashfests play Melee, exclusively I think.

lolwut incoming Melee Kirby pro

 

[fromundaman]

Asidoh, as you say, you only really play against good Diddies online and in tournies, and guess what, yeah, like that, you're going to get *****. Thing with Diddy is you have to practice and know how to catch the bananas. Wifi timing won't do that. On top of that, there are other options other than the ones you put in that exchange. IE: Grab thrown bananas with a jab while on the ground. Granted, the timing is kind of ridiculous, but it works. Otherwise, you could always Nair on the banana, or Bair a thrown banana (Those last 2 are actually not that complicated), and once you have the bananas, the match goes to Kirby's favor really fast. The biggest problem I have against Diddy is regaining control of the match once he gets his momentum going, but well, I think that's probably a mix of the fact that Diddy is a momentum based character, and I am a momentum based player (AKA once I start losing it goes downhill VERY fast, and vice versa.).

Also, the fact that AZ seconds Kirby, being taught by Chu Dat probably helps him know what's coming when he plays against him.

Also, question, if you do a Kirby/Snake dual main, who do you use against Snake? Just Snake ditto?

 

[Lord Viper]

Also, the fact that AZ seconds Kirby, being taught by Chu Dat probably helps him know what's coming when he plays against him.

☆ WHAT!? I wish I would have known this because when I picked Kirby, he seem to know where to hit me with his banana’s. Oh well, still beat him, though somthing some how the All Is Brawl toruney grath said that he won on pools... oh well. Next time I'm picking Wario on his Diddy. ☆

Also, question, if you do a Kirby/Snake dual main, who do you use against Snake? Just Snake ditto?

☆ You bring out a good point, I guess you have to do ditto's if you want a higher chance of winning.... or main King Dedede for thrid. ☆

 

[fromundaman]

☆ WHAT!? I wish I would have known this because when I picked Kirby, he seem to know where to hit me with his banana’s. Oh well, still beat him, though somthing some how the All Is Brawl toruney grath said that he won on pools... oh well. Next time I'm picking Wario on his Diddy. ☆

Yeah, I only know because he CPed Kirby against Scribble's ROB and explained it to him then (and in fact gave him some tips on the matchup. It just seems that ROB is to me what Diddy is to Asidoh, though I am starting to get better with it, I think...).

☆ You bring out a good point, I guess you have to do ditto's if you want a higher chance of winning.... or main King Dedede for thrid. ☆

Yeah, I have never even seen a Snake ditto, and as such have no idea what to do there. Snake is that one character I don't know who to CP (I'm thinking I might use Yoshi, but I don't even know...)

 

[TheFast]

Just saying

Kirby=MK
Marth=Snake
Marth=Marth
Marth= GaW
Kirby>Everybody Else (>0_0)>

 

[Lord Viper]

Yeah, I only know because he CPed Kirby against Scribble's ROB and explained it to him then (and in fact gave him some tips on the matchup. It just seems that ROB is to me what Diddy is to Asidoh, though I am starting to get better with it, I think...).

☆ lol, everyone learns somthing new in Smash everyday. XD ☆

☆ Snake ditto's are not fun to watch... trust me, watching two Snake's is as boring as watching two Meta Kngiht's fight, all you see is Snake using bombs all day, his ditto's take forever to finish. =/ ☆[/FONT]

Just saying

Kirby=MK
Marth=Snake
Marth=Marth
Marth= GaW
Kirby>Everybody Else (>0_0)>

☆ LMAO, best logic ever. =P ☆

 

[fromundaman]

Except there's at least one flaw:

Marth != Snake. At all.

 

[TheFast]

Umm thats not what the snake boards say. It is Snakes advantage but still even.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Also, question, if you do a Kirby/Snake dual main, who do you use against Snake? Just Snake ditto?

I use DDD for that one match up due to his ease of use.

 

[A1lion835]

Also, the fact that AZ seconds Kirby, being taught by Chu Dat probably helps him know what's coming when he plays against him.

Wait... chudat teaches?

Do you think he'll teach me?

 

[fromundaman]

I use DDD for that one match up due to his ease of use.

Gotcha... Other than CGing him, any other advice I need? (I rarely play D3)

 

[Falconv1.0]

Gotcha... Other than CGing him, any other advice I need? (I rarely play D3)

F tilt is sex, go nuts with the waddle dees, bair is the best, other than that, really, just rely on cg'ing. Like honestly, you can win just cg'ing til a kill or gimp. Just gotta play smart.

His spot dodge is pretty epic, dont forget that.

 

[fromundaman]

F tilt is sex, go nuts with the waddle dees, bair is the best, other than that, really, just rely on cg'ing. Like honestly, you can win just cg'ing til a kill or gimp. Just gotta play smart.

His spot dodge is pretty epic, dont forget that.

All right, I'll try to keep that in mind. Thanks.

 

[TheFast]

If you are doing Dedede vs Snake only play that matchup if you get port priority or its going to be hell trying to win. If you dont I would go with a character not so grab based. Plus if you get Port Priority you can end up killing him with his own bombs.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ I'm going to remain Peach again, I think she covers up some of Kirby's bad match up's, I'm quiting Olimar because everyone in MI knows how to deal with him. D=

I was very good with Peach, just the fact that my friend killed it because he wanted to main Peach because I owned him with her. =/ ☆

 

[TheFast]

how does peach fair against Marth GaW and Snake?

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ She does alright with Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Snake is a little trouble, but not too much though.

Edited: Technically she does bad on Marth, but I'm use to playing Marth with Peach and Ness so that's that. ☆

 

[TheFast]

I do fine with Kirby vs marth cuz i play so many of them. My main worry is GaW i hate him SOOOO much.

 

[mars16]

When I play as Kirby I win against Marth, Mario and Dk but not Fox and Falco.