What, in yr opinion, does Ganon lack the most?

[noradseven]

u-smash's hit box is already fairly outragous, sure its not like snakes but its **** close, plus it does more damage and has better priority and its mostly safe on block O_o.

It's slower actually.

I thought the recovery was faster..(im talking right above the ground), also it prevents jumping as an option.

Also another though please let ganon land without 5 years of lag K thanks, his big fall landing time is way too long.

 

[@HomE]

u-smash's hit box is already fairly outragous, sure its not like snakes but its **** close, plus it does more damage and has better priority and its mostly safe on block O_o.



I thought the recovery was faster..(im talking right above the ground), also it prevents jumping as an option.

Also another though please let ganon land without 5 years of lag K thanks, his big fall landing time is way too long.

L2Tech

I was playing just last night and we had a game on spear pillar where I lived to 230% two times in a 3 stock team match.

Teching is a god send for my Ganon, there was a hilarious moment last night when i got hit by a move (can't remember what one) that sent me straight to the left and I DI'd down and tech'd literally RIGHT after i was hit and got a jab off before my friend even realized what happend. I have never really done anything like that before but it was pretty smexy

 

[Clai]

A jab that isn't -26 frame advantage on shields. Really, we have enough unsafe-on-block moves as it is, why can't we have something that we can use on the ground against a shielded opponent without being so harshly punished? U-smash is a great move, but a quick move that has the same effect while having horizontal range would make everything so much easier.

 

[Conspiricy]

I think what Ganon really needs is a better DJ, that alone would improve his arial game, recovery and edge-options.

that or a slow moving multi-homing projectile, so he can use it effectively.

 

[Superspright]

The slow-moving homing projectile would be epic. He needs a form of pressure--he'd be at least semi-viable with some approach strategy.

 

[Z1GMA]

"Slow-moving homing projectile" together with Gerudo would be too good.

 

[noradseven]

Sonic boom ^^^

L2Tech

I was playing just last night and we had a game on spear pillar where I lived to 230% two times in a 3 stock team match.

Teching is a god send for my Ganon, there was a hilarious moment last night when i got hit by a move (can't remember what one) that sent me straight to the left and I DI'd down and tech'd literally RIGHT after i was hit and got a jab off before my friend even realized what happend. I have never really done anything like that before but it was pretty smexy

What are you talking about ???, I meant landing as in if you fall from above a certain height you have more landing lag and ganons is way too large, you can get around this by using your second jump right before you hit the ground.

 

[smashkng]

In singles, having no safe approach options. In doubles, having a very poor recovery.

 

[Jon Farron]

One word:


Speed

 

[It is the Don]

Mudkips. Ganon is missing mudkips.

Honestly if he were a bit more like he is in the games (keep the warlock punch, since it is the best approach in the game) I think Ganon would make more sense if he could at least have his projectile.

Lets go into a crazy brawl alternate universe for a second. In this universe, things are different. Everyone uses items because they know its pro, Tiers still don't matter, and the sound for Sonic's Taunts are actually a Toggled option all by itself.

Ganon doesn't have gerudo in this universe, but instead has his magical projectiles (lets say OOT, since that is familiar for me), he would use Side+B, and would send it like Mario's Fireball. It would have a large range, decent speed, but when someone reflects it, you could use Side+B to send it right back. As it gets hit back and forth it will get stronger and stronger (sort of like Ganon adding more dark energy) untill it gets to a point where it will actually stun the person reflecting it.

Also Wind Waker Ganon would totally be in this universe, use swords, and pimp slap Toon Zelda, to stay loyal to the actual game.

 

[Big O]

If Ganon had better grab range on all grabs (even up b which should semi spike like in BBrawl), a respectable jab, and glitch fixes he'd be somewhat viable. His standing grab is just too demoralizing and is proabably the first thing I'd change (some characters can land in front of you and duck under the grab during their landing animation...). If his recovery was a bit more flexible too (like faster up b/side b, down b/warlock punch refreshing DJ's, or iasa to do other specials or jump during aerial side b/down b) that would make him mid tier. Lol being able to cancel down b or aerial side b into other stuff would be super fun in general.

 

[Superspright]

If none of his b moves put him into a special state he'd be awesomer.

 

[Breezy]

If none of his b moves put him into a special state he'd be awesomer.

I dunno why but I lol'd at the mental image of ganon repeatedly dark diving

 

[Technologikall]

Merci.

10youllgetnosympathyfrome

 

[Superspright]

I dunno why but I lol'd at the mental image of ganon repeatedly dark diving

ralmfao. I would laugh pretty hard. DARK DIVE LOCK AGAINST CORNERIA! I just call it the hump jump.

 

[noradseven]

A projectile would not make ganon better guys, unless it was mad broke like falcos but even then ganon doesn't have the kinda jump to abuse it, all ganon needs is some safety in his attacks, a better grab would be nice, but hell even ganons grab feels like bliss compared to ZSS's.

 

[Z1GMA]

A projectile would not make ganon better guys, unless it was mad broke like falcos but even then ganon doesn't have the kinda jump to abuse it, all ganon needs is some safety in his attacks, a better grab would be nice, but hell even ganons grab feels like bliss compared to ZSS's.

How about a slow-moving dark Energy Ball with medium Knockback, which also reflects other projectiles
Ganon could lurk behind it.
Stage Control.

 

[BigPapaSmurf]

He needs a better recovery, like being able to use up-b after side-b and possibly a cool projectile like from ocarina to help against camping

 

[Makke]

................

 

[thexsunrosered]

yeah, what about his light ball thing that you have to reflect with the master sword?

 

[Ganonsburg]

I'd have to say, if Ganon had a charge projectile like Samus' B, that moved at about Ganon's running speed (maybe slightly less, but certainly faster than his walk) with ZSS's stunning ability and maybe 10% or so damage, he'd be way better. Simply because that gives Ganon time to start a smash, or land a Gerudo. I'd say he'd make it out of Fail/Ganon tier with that. If Ganon just did that and hid behind the projectile, he'd at least be able to stop approaches and make some of his own approaches.

(Basically the same thing I said in Q&A...)

 

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<- I always forget to include Nidoking in my posts.

You'll learn eventually.

The one thing that bugs me about Ganondorf is his grab range. Size shouldn't matter, but y'know.

 

[Duper]

he lacks SPEED!!! lol im jking, i actually like him being slow, it makes him seem beast for some reason lol, well i wish he had projectiles and i think he lacks range with his punchs. But i think we all here know ganondorf is beast the way he is =]


Btw i dont know why im adding this in this post but im new to ganon and i got my first 0% spike kill today!! I just got really excited and felt like adding that lol

 

[Raikou_Cypher]

But i think we all here know ganondorf is beast the way he is =]

lulz

10lulz

 

[Gleam]

I suggest this: Similar to Wario's bike, Ganondorf should hop upon his dark stallion and procede to trample his enemies before running off the edge, jumping off and watching his own horse (running animation still going too) fall to its demise.

win.

What he needs though is defintely better standing grab range. Not so easily chaingrabbed...and make U-tilt twice the length it already is.

 

[Divilenta]

What is this dead members' weekend? Swoops and Gleam rise from the dead what is this madness.

 

[jujuhdc]

Hmmm...what does Ganon need ?

-Some speed ?
Yes, but he is meant to be a fat, hard-hitting foe.

-Priority ?
An iron kick would be awesome, isn't it ?

-Weight ?
How can a guy with nearly 7 feet height and an armor not be a super heavyweight ?

-His motha****ing ****** sword ?
That would mean more priority, more range, and perhaps more speed. So, yes.

-An useful U-tilt ?
Self explanatory. Ganondorf doesn't need more than one superlaggy n' powerful move.

-A projectile ?
A good idea, but this would be less ****** and manly than Ganon's Hercule playstyle.

-A viable recovery ?
A lot of characters need that, but that would make them totally broken (*cough*Olimar*cough*)
Ze Dorf is not one of them.

-His lair ?
Perhaps, if you don't bring light into it...

-The kingdom of Hyrule ?
Why do you ask the question ?

-An advantageous match-up against Meta Knight ?
That would make the King of Evil more ****** than ever, but we can still dream...

 

[King Omega]

He lacks Up-B.

And nothing else.

 

[mars16]

What he lacks the most is Speed areas

such as Attack speed and DASH


If he needed was profectile

 

[AyatoK26]

I was going to say a projectile too--but it wouldn't help him once people learned how to PS it. Projectiles are pretty much moot at very high levels of play.

I second this because a good majority of projectiles can be power-shielded or avoided altogether. I would love to see him have a little more speed. That would give his opponents less time to anticipate his next move. But no, Sakurai had to continue with the LoZ storyline of "Since Ganon lost the Triforce of Power, he has to be weaker, be slower, have long arms that only extend 1/3 of the way to grab someone, be lower tiered, etc."...or something along those lines. 'sigh'

 

[Reim]

The only thing I really miss at times is a projectile.

 

[Superspright]

If he had a good spammable projectile he'd be far more useful. Like I've been saying forever, he needs those homing energy balls from OoT. It could even be knocked back.