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It's like the same problem that Christians have. There are a lotta hard *** Christians out there that are *******. They are over critical and expect others to jump through hoops to earn righteousness or something. I am Christian, but I have not attended church for almost 6 months because I am tired of their attitude.
The title of the thread is, "What do you think about the Confederate flag".
http://www.reference.com/browse/mootThe meaning of the word moot is "debatable" or "doubtful." Or "little practical value or meaning," as it is in this setting.
I don't know where you got meeting from.
My family that lives down there have a Confederate flag and are not racist. What area do you live in? They are in a small rural town about an hour west of Atlanta.
I just googled it for quick reference.
That is called "baffling with bull****."
I don't have time for this. Immigration policy is going to take all night, and I need my blood pressure to stay down. I'll just say, you'd be surprised how many people in China are learning, or already know, Engrish. Everyone know America number one.
I read everything that was on the page that I googled. The fact of the matter is that he used an old Anglo-Saxon word that has like 9 definitions.
I have a small flag in my room and that is it (well, and I have it as my avy on SWF, but I chose that avy because of this post, besides, I really don't give a **** about Brawl anyways, so I only come here to debate every once and a while). It's not like I have a Confederate flag tattoo on my arm or something.
I guess I have to agree with this. Although I still really hate the flag and everything it stands for. Mainly because I hate the South.
Does saying "renders your argument meeting" even begin to make sense? Usually when one looks up the definition for a word they don't understand they read all of the definitions and pick the one that makes the most sense. You read the first, said **** it I'm lazy, and acted superior to Lyth because he misused a word, according to you.
It doesn't, however, it also does not say that a state can't leave. So the Union acting upon the other states to preserve the Union was done outside the Constitution.
What's to be proud of?
You clearly didn't read anything I previously typed. Go back, actually take the time to read more than just one sentence (which you totally took out of context) and then come back to the conversation.
You CLEARLY didn't read your own post:
No offense, but I don't need a history lesson, son. There's nothing in your post I haven't heard or read a dozen times. It's also completely irrelevant to your later statements, as you yourself proclaim:
There, happy? I quoted the whole thing. Doesn't change lick one of my point. You're trying to prove logical fallacy by demonstrating a contradiction. That's well and dandy, I don't agree with this so-called swastika argument either. What I take issue with, is your assertion that the Confederate Battle Flag which once represented one thing, now has a new "altered" meaning of Southern Pride. It's a ridiculous notion, and being a resident of Mississippi, I take great offense at the connotation. And no, I didn't just "find" this to be offended at, I'll take offense with anyone who challeneges my notions of what -my- pride is to my homeland. I don't fly that flag, and anyone I see wearing it on a tee shirt or bumper sticker I immediately think redneck white trash. Why? Cause that's what they WANT me to think. The flag doesn't represent "southern pride." It represents trash, and I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone on Earth that wears or shows one in public to not be a racist ****-*** POS.
Really? Really?
Obviously you don't understand it at all then. If you had heard these things then you would know that EVERYONE at that time was racist. NO ONE cared about the slaves, the north wanted economic and political domination over the south. The south didn't like that, and decided to secede.
Just wow to the bolded part. Just wow to the entire thing really. As sickening as you find people who fly this flag, I find you just as bad. You call these people white trash, and so on a so forth because they display a flag. Reminds me of these people back in the day who used to hate people and call them trash because of the color of there skin.
You apparently missed this sentence.
My last sentence still holds as well. Saying "the south can't read" is absolutely ridiculous and offensive.
That was sarcasm, dude but the internet makes it tough to call I suppose. I'm surprised you didn't see the correlation between my obviously ridiculous statements and this idea that the confederate battle flag doesn't represent hate. If you read further down my post you'll see what I do think Southern Pride actually stands for. Definitely -not- shoelessness or illeteracy. That's what the confederate flag stands for, and most accurately. Seriously, I've yet to meet an educated person who had pride in themselves that also flew that flag proudly. They just can't happen at the same time. Anyone who flies that flag knows just what blacks think of it, and they do it anyway? And that's NOT racist?
So I guess the Abolitionist Movement was staged? What of the Underground Railroad, that just made up too? I won't discount the fact that it played heavily in the politics of the North leading up to the civil war, but to say no one cared about slaves is demeaning.
I am having trouble taking you seriously now, c'mon, lol. African Americans whose ancestors were the slaves of southern plantation owners are the ones who would first and foremost associate the confederate battle flag with oppression and racism. Anyone else who also does, is simply smart enough to make the correlation, but they actually have no footing in the matter themselves. I am not black, in other words, so I can -empathize- but my identification with their suffering is removed further than those who are direct descendants.
Except one key difference. I'm calling them out as trash -because- they fly that flag without remorse or guilt. It's not unlike calling a nazi a POS, or a child molester a POS. Yes, I just equated people who fly the battle flag in public to child molesters and nazis.
No, instead you're defending the public displaying of the most commonly identifiable symbol of racism in existence, second only to the KKK conical hat and white sheet, though the two may be interchangeable for 1st place, I wouldn't know.
I guess I just don't know this part of the south. Where I live no one flies one. But then again we have plenty of African Americans living here, and anyone daring enough to fly the flag would get themselves harassed or worse. I of course see it on bumper stickers every now and then. The occasional tee-shirt. But these people, we're back to those ridiculous stereotypes. Toothless, non-showering, can't speak without frothing at the mouth, it's just sad, and it makes all southerners look bad because non locals look at this and see "ha that's the south for you" comedians like seth mcfarland for instance, just giant broad stereotypes when in fact they're really only talking about select few of the south's population.
Yeah, pretty much, but in the wrong order:
See I have the luxury of going to school and being educated in the North, then moving to the South. I get to play both sides of the field, and experience both sides of the argument. The North and South industries were not diametrically opposed. The North needed their cotton like everyone else in the US, and a few other countries. What they didn't need on capital hill, was the bad taste in their mouths when they had to admit that half their country and its subsequent wealth was all thanks to a bunch of plantation owners who bought and sold people to increase their profit margins. Still think the war wasn't fought over slavery? Ok, but at this point you're arguing semantics.
We agree here, the south and north are both equally responsible in the establishment of slavery. What I find distasteful are people who brandish the CFB without any regard for how it may make other people feel. It's no different than my right to fly a nazi germany flag. Would I? Hell no. I am too courteous for that, nor do I believe in its ideology. Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should.
Exactly, which is why its stupid to hold a flag as offensive especially when the meaning changes over time.
Except, you know, the slaves themselves.
That depends on whether or not you are in that 1/3. Or are we excluding them from the "you" in that statement?
Well, one of the triggers for the Civil War was the expansion westward. After the Mexican-American War, we gained all of that territory and it was an open question as to whether or not slavery would be allowed there.
So, it was a part of a larger power struggle involving senate and house seats in Congress? I know that the South relied on slavery for its economy, but did the North have an economic reason to abolish slavery?
That's very utilitarian of you.
Well, Northerners wanted to move out into the new Western lands too, and were at a labor disadvantage when they had to compete against slave labor. But that's really a small part of the equation. I'm not really sure if there was a direct economic incentive for the North to abolish slavery.
