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Believe it or not, people used to be a lot kinder to the game. I remember a point in time when it was one of the better liked spin-offs.
What changed? Was it just one of the victims of the Sonic bashing party?
A combination of that, Jontron's video on it and the fact that the game honestly hasn't aged well.
That's, like, 95% of the reason minimum, actually.
I still feel SA2 is a good game, just SA1 is a lot better.
He did, years ago, back when Jon probably had no idea of what to do with his channel.
Hell, it's with anything in general.
Let's be real, did anyone think the Wii was a pretty/playable piece of hardware at first? Probably not, but we played games that were compatible with control styles we preferred and enjoyed those games thoroughly. I imagine the same thing will happen with the NX, as Nintendo has been super forgiving about alternate control schemes for its consoles for the last few years.
Hell, if you take everything he says at face value then the only games that are worth playing are Portal and Saints Row.
Unfortunately, in the early chapters Chrom is basically there to make the Avatar look like some kind of tactical mastermind during the tutorials. Lyn had similar issues in Blazing Sword IIRC. After a certain spoilery event occurs about a third of the way through the game he becomes much more competent as a leader.
When I described Chrom's... "antics" to one of my friends, he said "He makes the story sound like one of those crappy SI fanfictions". I don't think patronizing the player like that making it look like he's special because he can work out 2 is a bigger number than 1 is a good idea, it just makes the story and Chrom especially look really cringeworthy.
Ah, so he's still gonna act like his IQ struggles to maintain a single digit until the game ends, just in a different way. I getcha.
Out of curiosity, how new are you to FE?
Actually, I do just that: Everytime someone dies, I restart the game without saving and try it again pretending the last try never happened.
On the middle part of the game, Chrom did eventually became competent but, later on, his role as a "main character" nearly becomes non-existent in favor of Robin as soon as the endgame chapters begin. I like Chrom but only as a unit since his growths are pretty good for a Lord unit. Then again, this is how I feel about most of Awakening's cast when compared to the older Fire Emblem games. I only like them as units but I don't care or dislike their personalities.
I can see why it's fun... maybe... But it's pretty whatever for me. It and Garry's Mod are two games I always question how someone could have +1000 hrs on. It's just boring to me, but I played DotA 2 for +800 hrs and I'm sure people wonder how someone could play a MOBA for that long.
I can explain GMOD. The game has hundreds of thousands of mods, dozens of gamemodes for you to play (all of them garbage except for sandbox) and an absurd amount of ragdolls and maps for you to take screenshots of, pose, blow up, etc.
Or they just don't know how to think for themselves and would rather be part of the group than have their own voice. I get that YouTubers are huge, but regardless of what their opinions are, I'm not going to take that as written law. For example, I find the mech stages in Adventure 2 to be fun. Granted, most of the Tails ones aren't too great, but the Eggman ones can provide a lot of good fun (Cosmic Wall FTW). I also don't find their controls to be that bad. It took me only one mission to get used to them and I was comfortable with playing them. By that logic, I enjoy 2/3 of Adventure 2 (the treasure hunting stages have one major design flaw that just hurts them severely), and don't see anyone who likes it to be a "blind fanboy." That mentality along with the bandwagoning mentality need to die.
I'll take it a step further; Sonic 2006 is my favorite Sonic game. While we're on the subject of Sonic:
if by Battle Engineer you mean "someone who uses a gunslinger sentry, places it on offensive spots and relies both on it and the Shotgun to get kills"
I actually don't use the Gunslinger very often. I use Southern Hospitality, Pomson, and the Pistol
You're entitled to your flawed opinions I disagree with most of this stuff, but I'll just address a few points:
Other companies could take the series back to its roots and do wonders, but at this point, SEGA is so corrupt and weak that Sonic has no chance of being the huge power it was 20 years ago.
This is one of my favorites because it controls amazingly and the difficulty is high enough so that you get that huge moment of victory after passing a difficult level rather than instant gratification which wears off pretty much instantly.
Why do you think it isn't great anymore? I think the game has aged very well and it still has a lot of solid gameplay that set the standard for future Mario 3D games.
Why? They only added a couple characters and updated graphics a little bit.
Interesting. I thought that the well-balanced and entertaining gameplay, good game pace, diversity of surroundings, terrific storyline, great graphic design, and interesting characters made the first two games of the series the best.
I dunno, it's kinda flip-flopped over the years. WW used to be criticized very harshly for its graphical style, but has become more loved recently as the graphics have aged more gracefully.
I think this has become a popular opinion over the past few years.
If you disregard gameplay, I agree.
I couldn't disagree more; it's one of the best fighters of all time.
Agree on the first part, disagree on the second.
lol
That's the pack mentality for you. Like any pack animal, the desire to be led is strong in humans. But then there are the black sheep that don't want to be led, that relish the ability to think for themselves. I mean, we have brains right? Why not use them? But that sometimes results in earning the ire of your fellow humans for cutting across the grain.
I could be wrong on this, but I've always had the impression that, between Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario, Mario RPG was the overall fan favorite of the two series. But in my eyes, Mario RPG can't hold a candle to Paper Mario. Not even close. Especially not when a masterpiece like TTYD exists.
Care to share?
I personally think Sonic 06 is a horrible game, but my god is your response edgy. If someone likes the game and claims it's their favorite their opinion isn't flawed
The platformer genre in general isn't huge and despite that Sonic is still doing pretty well. Generations still pushed over a million in sales and Lost Worlds pushed over 700K. Sonic won't ever grow big again because the genre outside of Mario will never big big, but the franchise is still in a good spot.
"Oh no someone thinks a different Smash game is better than Melee. Allow me to tell them how wrong they are" Very original dude.
Tbh, I do second that lol. But at the same time, if someone thinks Brawl- is more fun or that Smash 4's roster is weak (which I question how) who am I to say they're wrong?
I looked at it, but I don't see what you mean. I understand your opinion, but being slower and less technical does not mean it's immediately boring or bad.
One may have sold a million and the other 700k, but that isn't close to the amount that older Sonic games reached (for instance, Sonic 2 reached 6 million). Sega has had to downsize considerably after the failure that was Boom, and I'm not sure if they're in a position to continue the series to its full capabilities.
I didn't tell him why he is wrong, but I'll specify my opinion:
They can have the opinion that Brawl - is better than PM (even though I think it's PM by far), but if they are trying to say that the Sm4sh roster is bad when they only removed 4-ish characters from the other games and added over a dozen more, I'm not sure if they could say that the roster is lacking. Heck, he said "worst roster of the series", which implies he likes 64's roster better (and all of 64's roster is in Sm4sh, with an additional 46 characters, counting all Mii Fighters seperately). I don't see how that is possible unless he REALLY hates Cloud.
I disagree, but hey, a larger skill cap, faster, more technical, and amazing movement options is the difference between Melee and Sm4sh. I guess not everyone likes to spectate fast, technical, hard-to-master gameplay and would rather watch easier, campy, non-technical stuff.
You lost me on the italicized bit. I'm sorry, and maybe my eyes were fooling me, but was that a backhand? I mean the rest of it is merely opinions, but where does "flawed" go into this? Were you implying his opinions were less than stellar?
The whole quote is italicized, but I assume you are talking about "flawed" part. That word may have been a bit harsh, but I cannot comprehend a game as broken and convoluted as '06 being someone's favorite Sonic game. I suppose it could be pure nostalgia (I suppose it is because of the 64 DS vs 64 statement, and 64 DS came out around the same time as '06), but it's still surprising to find that opinion anywhere.
And there's a problem with that? I'll be honest, I like Sonic '06, and so do others, and that's completely okay. No one is "flawed" just because heaven forbid they like a video game.
Fair enough, I'm just surprised that he thinks it's better than other Sonic games that are objectively superior.
I wasn't saying it was nostalgia based off of liking both games, I'm saying it's nostalgia based off of liking SM64DS and not SM64 even though they are virtually the same game with a couple extra characters. That leads me to believe that he has nostalgia bias for that time period or absolutely despises older gens because he doesn't seem to like anything before the Wii other than SMRPG.
...One again, you've lost me.
OK, I'll post a list of liked and hated games from each generation:
You understand most games still don't hit even a million in sales and yet Sonic was still able to? I get the games will never hit 6 million again like Sonic 2 did, bu you can't say Sonic isn't doing well. Continually getting over million sales even after the flop that was Sonic 06 means they're still in a good spot.
I don't care if you think Melee. My problem comes from the fact that you felt the need to butt in your opinion when someone said otherwise. Aside from a few things (wavedashing is extremely useful), I think Smash 4 is better than Melee. Also L-Cancel is dumb :^) (But that's a discussion for a different thread).
Tbh, I don't really know how anyone can think Smash 4's roster is the weakest but I guess it's like if Capcom removed Ryu and Ken from Street Fighter(?). I dunno... the roster isn't bad to me; sure we lost a few characters but there's more to make up for it.
To quote my friend who plays SF "Who cares how technical the gameplay is?"
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is right. Had "flawed" never been there (and had you not forced your opinion as right) I would not have cared.
