Westeros Mafia - Night 6 - ENDGAME - THE NORTH REMEMBERS

[Fire Emblemier]

I will say that the players with a npc ally have a bit of an advantage, because if they die, whether it be by a lynch or nightkill, they get a 2nd chance at playing by being able to sub in their slot. Though besides that, they're no different then everyone else except they have more abilities with less communication. It's not changing my vote for today, despite what I said.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Votecount
Fire: Praline, Disfunkshunal
Lonekonwolf: Fire, Vaan, Natz, Coricus
Holder: Red Ryu

If I missed your vote or got something incorrect, please feel free correct me.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Holder offers nothing outside of pushing for any move that has no benefits to any organizations with any vested interest in being the last two houses standing, the power of the shadows and sky pirates wishes to make it clear to be the last ones standing it is of best interest to off him.

Uhh the actual reason you're voting for me is because in the last day phase I had temporarily voted for both you and your partner. No need to pretend there is some greater purpose that is common to all Houses for what you're doing lol.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I'm not so sure I'm worried about Kon or any of the Lannisters. Since they've proven to be traitors already, and their entire membership has been revealed, their odds of winning are actually not the best in my opinion.

Likewise Fire's odds of victory is even lesser, so I'm not inclined to make his House extinct right now either.

Am I really going to end up voting back at supposedly-vanilla Ryu due to spite? Sigh. I had wanted to make peace with that House, having spoken to Coricus during the Night, but alas I guess that cannot be.

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[Ura]

This is the only game where Holder can't kill me lol. No trap kills this time!

Alright enough ****posting for me. Back to the game kiddos!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Another NPC, what a bizarre situation for a game... What are to be done with these Golden and Natz slots? I'm not sure what to think of them. My first thought is to leave them alone and deal with the slots that actually hold the players.

It makes sense that you would take that position, considering that Natz is the other member of your House.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

It makes sense that you would take that position, considering that Natz is the other member of your House.

That's right. I am now alone.

 

[Deleted member]

Wolfie557
Can I be a spectator please?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, Kon, and Z25 are Lannisters, I was allied with them, they betrayed me.

You and Chu generally responded awkwardly to anything we said to you, or not at all. When you did respond, you didn't give any strong responses in the affirmative to suggestions we laid out, deferred to Vaan's judgment or said to wait and see what Vaan wanted to do. All of this made us think you were settled in with Vaan despite him being solo, and that must have meant that he had something amazing to offer, because we obviously have the numbers advantage, and made it clear we were into sticking with you.

You said that you wanted to wipe Bard and his house, and then that changed to the Targaryens when I said that I didn't know Bard's House members. Again, that looked like you were settling in with Vaan, because the Targaryens were his other alliance. So either he was getting rid of the Targs in favour of staying with you and Chu, or it was a lie, in which case you, Vaan and the Targs were actually planning on house-wiping us. Well, I went straight to the Targs and told them, because I knew we were dead if it were the other way around. It should have been taken care of, and the only reason Shish still died is that Vaan presumably used his Gold mechanic (yes, we know about that) to buy into an Untargetable modifier, and dodged a redirect and my check to see who was targeting him in the Night.

As an aside, you were blocked last Night, so your swap failed and doesn't explain the discrepancy in results involving Vaan. That also means that Chu's Defend, if it wasn't on you, went to Moydow instead of Vaan. But as it turns out, you also lied to us about how Pokechu's sponge ability worked, so that Defend probably did go to you, and probably explains why you're alive.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I don't think that Vaan has enough coin in his purse to infinitely survive lynches, and we could certainly vote there forever until he topples. But obviously, I at least would rather:

Vote: Fireemblemnier

 

[Maven89]

You and Chu generally responded awkwardly to anything we said to you, or not at all. When you did respond, you didn't give any strong responses in the affirmative to suggestions we laid out, deferred to Vaan's judgment or said to wait and see what Vaan wanted to do. All of this made us think you were settled in with Vaan despite him being solo, and that must have meant that he had something amazing to offer, because we obviously have the numbers advantage, and made it clear we were into sticking with you.

You said that you wanted to wipe Bard and his house, and then that changed to the Targaryens when I said that I didn't know Bard's House members. Again, that looked like you were settling in with Vaan, because the Targaryens were his other alliance. So either he was getting rid of the Targs in favour of staying with you and Chu, or it was a lie, in which case you, Vaan and the Targs were actually planning on house-wiping us. Well, I went straight to the Targs and told them, because I knew we were dead if it were the other way around. It should have been taken care of, and the only reason Shish still died is that Vaan presumably used his Gold mechanic (yes, we know about that) to buy into an Untargetable modifier, and dodged a redirect and my check to see who was targeting him in the Night.

As an aside, you were blocked last Night, so your swap failed and doesn't explain the discrepancy in results involving Vaan. That also means that Chu's Defend, if it wasn't on you, went to Moydow instead of Vaan. But as it turns out, you also lied to us about how Pokechu's sponge ability worked, so that Defend probably did go to you, and probably explains why you're alive.

Explain what Oathkeeper does in detail

 

[BarDulL]

You and Chu generally responded awkwardly to anything we said to you, or not at all. When you did respond, you didn't give any strong responses in the affirmative to suggestions we laid out, deferred to Vaan's judgment or said to wait and see what Vaan wanted to do. All of this made us think you were settled in with Vaan despite him being solo, and that must have meant that he had something amazing to offer, because we obviously have the numbers advantage, and made it clear we were into sticking with you.

You said that you wanted to wipe Bard and his house, and then that changed to the Targaryens when I said that I didn't know Bard's House members. Again, that looked like you were settling in with Vaan, because the Targaryens were his other alliance. So either he was getting rid of the Targs in favour of staying with you and Chu, or it was a lie, in which case you, Vaan and the Targs were actually planning on house-wiping us. Well, I went straight to the Targs and told them, because I knew we were dead if it were the other way around. It should have been taken care of, and the only reason Shish still died is that Vaan presumably used his Gold mechanic (yes, we know about that) to buy into an Untargetable modifier, and dodged a redirect and my check to see who was targeting him in the Night.

As an aside, you were blocked last Night, so your swap failed and doesn't explain the discrepancy in results involving Vaan. That also means that Chu's Defend, if it wasn't on you, went to Moydow instead of Vaan. But as it turns out, you also lied to us about how Pokechu's sponge ability worked, so that Defend probably did go to you, and probably explains why you're alive.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Explain what Oathkeeper does in detail

Oh, I should have noticed this. Oathkeeper is a normal redirect from A to B.

Kon's initial post in the PM is what Natz posted a copy of, but Kon accidentally wrote your name because we were talking about you at the time, and the conversation you and I had just had. We noticed the mistake and he immediately corrected it to Holder. And then it changed again last minute, to the player you and I talked about.

I don't think it's necessary to get into details in the thread, but it should be really clear to you that us redirecting Vaan to you wouldn't make any sense.

 

[BarDulL]

Fire Emblemier , is this true? You and Pokechu conspired to kill off my house?

What reason does my house have not to pursue you with all our might and finish the job?

 

[Z25]

Weird my notifications just stopped here. But yeah bard pretty much sums up what I hadn’t gotten to say yet.

Fire you didn’t look to good as an ally and we couldn’t trust that.

Vote:Fireemblemnier

 

[vaanrose]

You and Chu generally responded awkwardly to anything we said to you, or not at all. When you did respond, you didn't give any strong responses in the affirmative to suggestions we laid out, deferred to Vaan's judgment or said to wait and see what Vaan wanted to do. All of this made us think you were settled in with Vaan despite him being solo, and that must have meant that he had something amazing to offer, because we obviously have the numbers advantage, and made it clear we were into sticking with you.

You said that you wanted to wipe Bard and his house, and then that changed to the Targaryens when I said that I didn't know Bard's House members. Again, that looked like you were settling in with Vaan, because the Targaryens were his other alliance. So either he was getting rid of the Targs in favour of staying with you and Chu, or it was a lie, in which case you, Vaan and the Targs were actually planning on house-wiping us. Well, I went straight to the Targs and told them, because I knew we were dead if it were the other way around. It should have been taken care of, and the only reason Shish still died is that Vaan presumably used his Gold mechanic (yes, we know about that) to buy into an Untargetable modifier, and dodged a redirect and my check to see who was targeting him in the Night.

As an aside, you were blocked last Night, so your swap failed and doesn't explain the discrepancy in results involving Vaan. That also means that Chu's Defend, if it wasn't on you, went to Moydow instead of Vaan. But as it turns out, you also lied to us about how Pokechu's sponge ability worked, so that Defend probably did go to you, and probably explains why you're alive.

I came to Fire and Chu saying I wanted to target Kon for pretty revenge. They quickly ignored that and suggested taking out Bard, Moydow and Shish because they thought they were on a team. This told me they probably had reason for Kon to be alive, so I straight roleblocked him, lol.

 

[Z25]

Whoops posted before holding.

Vote:fireemblemnier

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I came to Fire and Chu saying I wanted to target Kon for pretty revenge. They quickly ignored that and suggested taking out Bard, Moydow and Shish because they thought they were on a team. This told me they probably had reason for Kon to be alive, so I straight roleblocked him, lol.

If this were true, then I still should have successfully used on a Watch on you last Night. I got a flat No Result, when I should have seen Ryu target you at the very least.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Isn't it in the name of the game to conspire against the houses you are not allied with.

You and Chu generally responded awkwardly to anything we said to you, or not at all. When you did respond, you didn't give any strong responses in the affirmative to suggestions we laid out, deferred to Vaan's judgment or said to wait and see what Vaan wanted to do. All of this made us think you were settled in with Vaan despite him being solo, and that must have meant that he had something amazing to offer, because we obviously have the numbers advantage, and made it clear we were into sticking with you.

You said that you wanted to wipe Bard and his house, and then that changed to the Targaryens when I said that I didn't know Bard's House members. Again, that looked like you were settling in with Vaan, because the Targaryens were his other alliance. So either he was getting rid of the Targs in favour of staying with you and Chu, or it was a lie, in which case you, Vaan and the Targs were actually planning on house-wiping us. Well, I went straight to the Targs and told them, because I knew we were dead if it were the other way around. It should have been taken care of, and the only reason Shish still died is that Vaan presumably used his Gold mechanic (yes, we know about that) to buy into an Untargetable modifier, and dodged a redirect and my check to see who was targeting him in the Night.

As an aside, you were blocked last Night, so your swap failed and doesn't explain the discrepancy in results involving Vaan. That also means that Chu's Defend, if it wasn't on you, went to Moydow instead of Vaan. But as it turns out, you also lied to us about how Pokechu's sponge ability worked, so that Defend probably did go to you, and probably explains why you're alive.

I mostly wanted to make the most of both of my alliances. I never favored either of you guys over the others, until this phase started I actually mistook how Pokechu's ability worked and he clarified it for me afterwards. Pokechu did not defend me, he decided to defend Vaan as stated in our alliance pm. I never lied to you once or held any ulterior motives during our time together.

 

[vaanrose]

If this were true, then I still should have successfully used on a Watch on you last Night. I got a flat No Result, when I should have seen Ryu target you at the very least.

It is true. You'd have to ask Red but it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't count for a watch because it's a delayed action.

 

[vaanrose]

Er, Red meaning Ryu. I doubt FeatherRaven would answer, lol.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Er, Red meaning Ryu. I doubt FeatherRaven would answer, lol.

Right?

That guy doesn't tell us ****.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Fire Emblemier , is this true? You and Pokechu conspired to kill off my house?

What reason does my house have not to pursue you with all our might and finish the job?

No reason at all honestly. My house is already screwed due to being betrayed, cause despite my best intentions, Nabe's house deemed me untrustworthy.

 

[praline]

Right?

That guy doesn't tell us ****.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

My result should really have been 'None' if no one targeted Vaan -- noticeable or otherwise -- not 'No Result'.

Fire Emblemier Sorry if you really weren't doing anything nefarious, but when Pokechu said repeatedly that an unlynchable Vaan didn't seem like a credible threat, and that he'd rather not take him out (why?), we read those as hot red flags.

 

[vaanrose]

My result should really have been 'None' if no one targeted Vaan -- noticeable or otherwise -- not 'No Result'.

Fire Emblemier Sorry if you really weren't doing anything nefarious, but when Pokechu said repeatedly that an unlynchable Vaan didn't seem like a credible threat, and that he'd rather not take him out (why?), we read those as hot red flags.

I sent out an alliance request, and despite the rules saying that if the recipient didn't respond it would return as an automatic rejection, it instead came back as "No Response." Just saying, semantics is always a problem in these games.

 

[BarDulL]

No reason at all honestly. My house is already screwed due to being betrayed, cause despite my best intentions, Nabe's house deemed me untrustworthy.

I suspect you have Pokechu to blame for this, that moogle is always up to no good. Still, given it sounds like both you and Pokechu conspired against us, and given that this is an FFA, I see no reason that you are not taken to the gallows.

Vote: Fireemblemnier

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I sent out an alliance request, and despite the rules saying that if the recipient didn't respond it would return as an automatic rejection, it instead came back as "No Response." Just saying, semantics is always a problem in these games.

And what if I told you that I have a confirmation of the difference between a No Result and None?

 

[vaanrose]

And what if I told you that I have a confirmation of the difference between a No Result and None?

I'd say I'm still telling the truth about blocking Kon, lol.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Honestly my plan was to get the most of Vaan his utility to our houses out weighed the risk of keeping him around. I knew Vaan was not in the greatest spot, but having him as support for a night or 2, favored both of our houses. Knowing that someone likely had a strongman kill, (there was a lot of redirects and docs in this setup) I had a feeling that Vaan's utility wouldn't last. He even knew so himself.

I suspect you have Pokechu to blame for this, that moogle is always up to no good. Still, given it sounds like both you and Pokechu conspired against us, and given that this is an FFA, I see no reason that you are not taken to the gallows.

Vote: Fireemblemnier

More power to you.

 

[Maven89]

Firewmblemier, what’s your role?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Oberyn Martell
I have a redirect that can swap people's targets.
I also have something I'm not going to be able to use. A marriage ability, basically I can send out my alliance request, while also offering my character's daughter for marriage. If the receiver accepts the alliance can't be betrayed for 3 phases. Very situational.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If the receiver accepts the alliance can't be betrayed for 3 phases.

Yoooo, this is actually amazing.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Yoooo, this is actually amazing.

It is, but it requires a fresh alliance and given I'm on the chopping block it's not going to see use.
It's amazing for a clutch endgame strat though, guaranteeing a victory if you're smart about it. That's also why I wasn't too worried about seperate wincons in our alliance pms.

 

[vaanrose]

And what if I told you that I have a confirmation of the difference between a No Result and None?

White just told me that based on the night results, I should have been sent "No Result" instead of "No Response."

Wolfie557 I'd prefer you clarify in the thread since this makes me look like I'm backtracking.

 

[Wolfie557]

White just told me that based on the night results, I should have been sent "No Result" instead of "No Response."

Wolfie557 I'd prefer you clarify in the thread since this makes me look like I'm backtracking.

Basically it hasn't been consisent I guess everywhere (and not just in vaan's PM) - so sorry about lack of consistency when nothing is meant to be given.

Therefore to clairfy to everyone

If you didn't get anything in a spoiler.......there's nothing meant to be given to you.
If i said no ravens or no results/responce or something to that affect cos I felt like clarifying/rememberd to at 2AM then....there's nothing meant to be given to you either.

Everything within spoilers are actual valid results/messages.

From now on if there are no ravens or no action results....you will not get a spoiler containing raven messages or action results.
Also makes it easier for me in this logistical nightmare.

 

[Maven89]

Oberyn Martell
I have a redirect that can swap people's targets.
I also have something I'm not going to be able to use. A marriage ability, basically I can send out my alliance request, while also offering my character's daughter for marriage. If the receiver accepts the alliance can't be betrayed for 3 phases. Very situational.

This is very important

Who did you target

 

[BarDulL]

This is very important

Who did you target

According to Nabe, FE was blocked, so it sounds like there were no redirects at least from FE's end.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

unvote: fire

I'm satisfied with that information. My house doesn't view you as a current threat and but we still must consider which of you are the lesser of two evils. I have to admit that the prospect of an a guaranteed long term alliance is alluring.

Without my vote there should be a tie

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Also since we haven't heard anything from Kon I'm assuming he's still in the hospital. I didn't say as much before but i sincerely hope the best for him