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Watching Little Boys: A Lucas Video Thread

Nausicaa

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Getting smoother from the last time I saw you for sure. Good play there, no wavering in your game (major ups and downs in short bursts), the sign of you playing solidly for long duration and getting really intuitively comfortable with stuff and making conscious decisions more based on player-mind rather than your options mechanically.

With slow peeps like Peach, you can get away (would benefit from) with a LOT more raw DD-Grabs. Look at the first match and how your first 2 kills came from it even, and those were some of the few attempts you made.
Anytime she's chasing you with pressure, she doesn't cover much distance. All of those FC F-Airs/N-Airs/even following into Dash-Attacks, you have the speed to Grab her off anything. Too often you're getting pre-occupied with aerial spam out of neutral (trying to mimic her almost) and missing everything that someone like a Melee-Fox would just DD Grab her for free. Get your stuff for free, she's jumping into arpe, and you're not punishing the 'bait' you don't even know you're doing.

I'm watching it again (double screen) as I type this, and in the 2nd match, count the number of times she FC's a F-Air (or even just TECHS somewhere) and you do something like Dash Back > SH at her and get N-Aired, or she Rolls out of the way but you're too busy N-Airing at her missed aerial to punish it, or D-Airing somewhere when she's Teching rather than just DD Grabbing (or Down-B/Aerial) her for free. This is happening throughout the set. Even U-Air chasing to continue combos on a hopes of connecting. Stop trying to make the hard reads when it's not a certain follow-up, and wait for her to N-Air/DJ, then take THAT away from her. Peach doesn't feel safe, hence she's DOING that stuff in hopes of trading or whatever, you don't have to DO it to make her 'not-feel-safe', she'll do SOMETHING anyway. You don't have to spam things to scare people, they'll be more scared when you're punishing things they do wrong, until they don't feel safe doing ANYTHING, rather than punishing everything a little bit, when they feel safe doing things and are desperate for trading.
Think a little more on waiting for the GOOD hits rather than just hitting everything you think you have a chance of hitting. A Falco won't just D-Air ANYTHING a Peach misses, there's no reason you should either, you're Lucas, you're forcing her to make a move just by BEING there, just hit her after she makes that move you can hit, rather than ANY move, or simply trying to hit her before she makes a move at all. You don't have to put yourself through that. lol

Just some thoughts I figured were worth sharing. :)
 

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While I can't out-do Boigins here, I thought it was time to upload some gameplay and show it to you guys. Keep in mind, this IS wifi, so some, err... hiccups occurred in a few places.

Matches against Disqo's Game&Watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s87GwKnCc4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifNn6aq4Un0
Disqo is a great player and frightening Diddy main, but I was a little disappointed when despite the advantage I felt over his Game and Watch, I still lost. I got a few good things in, though.

Vs R-Jay's (I forgot their chat name) Wario
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMUFQMxW9TA
Fun as hell, though I don't play many Warios so I got easily shoulder bashed down two stocks early on. Probably the most embarrassing thing that happened in all of this was the bit where I tried going for a bunch of magnet stuff and wound up using PK-thunder mid stage instead. How I even do these things is beyond me.

Vs Espionage's Sonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcBq-FT2q0
I whiff a lot in this one, though ultimately I wasn't too challenged. I shouldn't have even saved it, really.
 

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Hey guys, I finally managed to get myself recorded, so here is the stream I played on: http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp/b/491653049
My Lucas appears at 00:09:50 (my worst match), 01:56:00 (my best match), and 01:48:30 (kind of in-between).
Things I noticed:
I don't approach safely enough. I need to use nair more, especially in the match vs Mapmark's Sonic.
I need to djc, especially out of shield
I need to stop thinking that dthrow usmash is anything but situational.
I need to force my opponent to commit to moves more often.
I need to change up my edge game. I always would double jump and get myself in trouble.
More magnet, lots more magnet. I need to use it to make my approaches safer.

Please let me know what you think!
 
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Nguz95

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yo MD/ VA has way too many Lucas, hahaI don't know how I feel about the MU yet (I don't care for it at all) but Wizzrrobe thinks otherwise.
There are four, right? You, me, Pink Fresh, and TKO. I think that's a good thing. We can share ideas and strategies in person. Do you live really far from Xanadu?

As for Sonic, I think that most of Lucas's moves beat out his. I needed to be more patient and nair more, which would have gotten Sonic out of the spin and into the air, where I could combo him. I'm learning.

What did you think about the matches? I've seen your Lucas, and it's pretty good, so I'd appreciate any advice I could get. I talked to TKO, and he said I needed to nair more.
 

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Hey guys, I finally managed to get myself recorded, so here is the stream I played on: http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp/b/491653049
My Lucas appears at 00:09:50 (my worst match), 01:56:00 (my best match), and 01:48:30 (kind of in-between).
Please let me know what you think!
You definitely need to start DJCing your PKF and never use it on the ground, even as a fraudulent mixup, your first death against Tink shouldn't have even happened since Air dodge > Tether would've gotten you on the ledge just fine, and the last death you can B-reverse Magnet to face the ledge so you can tether. I don't think I saw OU too much and it's kind of important, get in the habit of doing it when people are knocked far off stage (I like to run in the opposite direction and do a little hop, since this holds onto some momentum) and if they're KO'd, you DEFINITELY should be charging it.

Against Charizard you use USmash really early in combos which doesn't offer as much as a full combo would. With bigger characters like Charizard, using magnet in combos is really good because you can really keep them going, but you mentioned you need to use magnet more already, so that's good. I noticed at one point you airdodged away from Charizard and expected to see a snake rope... And then you just fell into an attack instead. In situations like that, if you DO air dodge then more than likely a Zair would be good to do.

Also, I live in Fredericksburg, so I can't just show up to Xanadus a lot of the time, haha. No ride and whatnot
 

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I agree with the djc pk freeze. I'll start working on it, as I have been neglecting that move. I'll work on the djc aerials as well, as I think it's a really powerful mechanic and shouldn't be neglected. I really need to get my tech skill up so I can compete. I also need to work on my patience. I often got beat on by charizard because I over-commited trying to get something started. If I could tighten up my tech a little, play a little more patiently, I would definitely improve. Throwing out smashes and aerials just because is not being patient. i really need to cut that crap out. It's embarrassing.

Thank you so much for your feedback! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch my matches. Hopefully I can see you at a Xanadu sometime soon!
 

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ill be uploading vids soon, was in the process until i realized i only have videos from my beginning stages of lucas(no daucus and snake recovery) once i get time ill be adding some pretty good character matchups vids to the arsenal
 

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Well i finally have some video of my lucas....unfortunately today it was just against a cpu and i had a whole lot of flubs...maybe my nerves were going because i was recording..who knows. Yea facing against a CPU can be a poor representation of skill but hey at least it is something. I would really appreciate any critique on both videos. Good, bad, it doesnt matter. Tomorrow ill be facing my bro and his friend so hopefully ill have more footage but with people this time around. Thanks in advance for whoever does critique.

First vid (one fight): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pf30I-zzJk
Second vid..i quit the first fight thanks to some interruptions (18mins or so of fights) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNoyI0DFgGg&feature=youtu.be
 

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My matches from the last tournament:

HF Neon (Lucas) vs. Dalton (Fox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XruteTPvlBc
HF Neon (Lucas) vs. GV7 (G&W and Falcon) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTuo4Kz7-pQ
HF Neon (Lucas) vs. Ic3 (Marth) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4D4X8RNdbk
HF Neon (Lucas) vs. Hashtag (Roy and Falco) WF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ISPNXuhWbQ
HF Neon (Lucas) vs. SS (Olimar) GF Set 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TaH5rmmRFI
HF Neon (Fox, Peach, Falco) vs. SS (Olimar) GF Set 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJIi772IBwM

In GF I had no idea how to deal with Olimar. I ended up switching to my melee characters since I thought they would have an easier time getting through the Pikmin. However I read about how Olimar works after the tournament and I think Lucas has a pretty good match up against him. I just didn't understand any of the Pikmin mechanics and didn't know how to get them off me, and I didn't fully understand when they were vulnerable to attacks, so I wasn't sure what to do. I basically couldn't exploit Olimar's weaknesses and he was able to beat my Lucas with his fast and strong/high priority attacks. I included the second set just so you could see how I adapted, even though it doesn't include any Lucas.

Oh, there is also some discussion of whether Marth beats Lucas in these videos. He doesn't. Lucas pretty much crushes Marth and Roy.
 
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I also lost to that Olimar, but have 0 experience with solid Olimar play, like Neon. Its definitely an important matchup to know though as a Lucas.
 
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I have a friend who likes to play him, but he's not at the same level as that guy. Basically I try to get Olimar into the air for as long as possible. Any time I'm underneath him, I have the advantage. Unfortunately that's all the advice I'm comfortable giving, as I'm not very experienced in general.
 

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Some of my early thoughts on the match up:

Use nair to get pikmin off you since it covers basically your whole body.
Kill the pikmin that get thrown at you. You might be able to just throw out lots of smash attacks since you can keep your charge if you hit them.
Olimar seems to have a deceptively good range. Make sure to avoid getting hit or grabbed, and mash as soon as you get grabbed.
Watch the pikmin order so that you can avoid getting wrecked.

I'll know more about this matchup in a few weeks once I've played it with knowledge of how Olimar functions.
 

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I still didn't had the oportunnity to fight any Olimar (and probably I'll never have lol) but, if Olimar still has his yellow pikmin, Nair may be not that safe since it's electric and yellow pikmin doesn't die for that. maybe Uair would be good to keep pikmins out of Lucas' body.
 

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Here are a few friendlies with one of my bro's friends. Love lucas with passion. Critique please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWCfI44WUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWCfI44WUU Only the first fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_OkYOj8d5g Only the second fight @ 4:24: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HjxXkOlzBA Whole fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB3sHP7WB_Q Only first fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmgboFnmszs Only first fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
 

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I got 3rd in a PM tourney today with 28 participants, I used only Lucas and I got 4 sets recorded.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/x_revolution/b/498363544

First set happens at 3:58:00
Second set happens at 4:40:00
Third set happens at 5:10:00
Fourth set happens at 6:36:00

I would love some critiques
 

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I got 3rd in a PM tourney today with 28 participants, I used only Lucas and I got 4 sets recorded.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/x_revolution/b/498363544

First set happens at 3:58:00
Second set happens at 4:40:00
Third set happens at 5:10:00
Fourth set happens at 6:36:00

I would love some critiques
General stuff:
You recover with pk thunder too much. If you're close enough to tether, you should almost always do that instead.
DJC pkf is better than sh pkf since it's faster and lets you control your spacing much better since you can move during the double jump.
You need to double jump out of your aerial magnets. Either wavedash back, or do an aerial if you hit them or their shield so you will be safer and position yourself for a combo.
You don't follow up hard enough. You should be trying to kill them off every hit. It won't always be possible, but you missed a lot of opportunities. I can't really teach you all of Lucas's combo game, so just watch more videos and learn what he can do.
 

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Thanks for the advice Neon!

I only got confused on the PK thunder recover part, I remember that I used it for recovering on the match against Aisengobay's wolf on battlefield, I was looking at the other side of the ledge, and for some weird reason, I decided to PK thunder instead of just reversing my position with magnet lol, other than that and maybe some other time I don't remember using it for recovering.

I also tried to use pk thunder as a gimp sometimes and it was completely failure haha.
 

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uummm idk what is with my videos that i post...maybe they arent good enough to you all or anything but jeez everytime i post and ask for critique i dont get anything from anyone. all i want is a bit of help with my faults in my gameplay. i guess that will never happen
 

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Here are a few friendlies with one of my bro's friends. Love lucas with passion. Critique please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWCfI44WUU Only the first fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_OkYOj8d5g Only the second fight @ 4:24: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HjxXkOlzBA Whole fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB3sHP7WB_Q Only first fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmgboFnmszs Only first fight: Veishi(Lucas) VS GhostAnime (Mario)
You need to use djc pkf more. It's really good and you basically never use it.
Don't recover with pk thunder unless you have to.
Stop doing so many sh fairs. DJC fair is better in most situations.
You need to use magnet more. It's very useful for shield pressure and continuing combos.
Don't just throw out sh aerial on their shield. Lucas can stay safe during his shield pressure by using magnet to a retreating djc aerial or a wavedash back.
Practice combos. You're basically getting sequences of random hits, but if your opponents were better they could DI out and punish you for not doing real combos.

I'd guess that most people weren't inclined to watch your videos since the first set was against CPUs and the second was friendlies against some random person. Tourney vids are more interesting and useful since we can see how you do against good competition. But hopefully this advice helps.
 

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Thanks for the advice Neon I will look to work on those aspects of my gameplay. Question though: I really dont try to look like im throwing random hits like a fool but some characters, mario in specific, are quite hard to combo since he recovers so fast from hitstun. What would you recommend me doing to combo characters such as mario or other slight floaties? And hopefully I will attend tourneys one day. Not many really happen in GA like that. But excuses are for the birds on my part. I'll post more videos vs others as well so all the stuff wont just be against one person. Thanks again
 
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Didn't get tourney matches, but I did play some warm ups with my training partner just before the tournament started (he got 4th at the tournament I got 5th at) so it at least shows some improvement since the last time my Lucas showed up. There's more games of my Lucas before and after but they're not as uh... Useful?

www.twitch.tv/nbd_skywalker/b/499817913?t=38m33s

Sonic's a *****, yo. Also, the audio is mostly tourney noise so if you want to watch you can go ahead and just listen to music and **** over it.
 

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Hey guys, I had a couple sets recorded at a tournament a while ago, and I'd looking for some advice... mostly about my combo game. I feel like my neutral game is fairly solid, but that I don't capitalize on punishments nearly as hard as I could, so any time I could have extended a combo by choosing a different follow-up, for example, please point it out. Of course, any other tips would be appreciated.

http://www.twitch.tv/ssbuniversity/b/501839667 @ 4:06:00 vs. Yoshi
http://www.twitch.tv/ssbuniversity/b/501917179 @ 23:35 vs. Meta Knight
 

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Hey guys, I had a couple sets recorded at a tournament a while ago, and I'd looking for some advice... mostly about my combo game. I feel like my neutral game is fairly solid, but that I don't capitalize on punishments nearly as hard as I could, so any time I could have extended a combo by choosing a different follow-up, for example, please point it out. Of course, any other tips would be appreciated.

http://www.twitch.tv/ssbuniversity/b/501839667 @ 4:06:00 vs. Yoshi
http://www.twitch.tv/ssbuniversity/b/501917179 @ 23:35 vs. Meta Knight
I'm not the best Lucas around but the thing that stands out from your playstyle is the lack of DJC PKF. You also seem to like to use PKF a fair amount in neutral so this is a thing that's holding you back quite a bit. Overall, pretty solid from what I can see. Work on DJC everythings. Oh yea, you might want to look at your ways to recover as well. It's not particularly safe albeit it worked in this case. Check the recovery thread and watch some of Neon's Lucas for tips here.
 

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Got 5th out of 32 entrants, got three of my games recorded. I definitely had some stream jitters though, because my heart was racing during matches and my stomach was killing me after every match I played. Still, I learned a lot, if you want to watch Lucas get destroyed here are my matches, if you want to watch Lucas do good, go ahead and watch Pink Fresh's, haha. If it isn't obvious, I didn't really know what stages to take anyone to, so I kind of winged it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzpqMKARP_s (Winner's vs JCeasar ROB)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha5gM7kUwu8 (Loser's vs Squeak MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VKdi6fKXIE (Loser's vs JCaesar ROB)
 
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I got 2nd on a tourney 2 days ago with 15 participants, almost all my sets got recorded, and I would like some advice.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/x_revolution/b/513628309http://

My First set happens at 01:47:00.
My Second set wasn't recorded.
My Third set happens at 02:28:30
My Fourth set (BO5) happens at 02:57:00
My Fifth set (GF) happens at 08:34:00
 
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I got 2nd on a tourney 2 days ago with 15 participants, almost all my sets got recorded, and I would like some advice.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/x_revolution/b/513628309http://

My First set happens at 01:47:00.
My Second set wasn't recorded.
My Third set happens at 02:28:30
My Fourth set (BO5) happens at 02:57:00
My Fifth set (GF) happens at 08:34:00
Here are my comments:
  • The main thing I can see is that you never utilize double jump cancelled PK Freeze. Once you get the technique down (which doesn't take long), you'll see it really help your spacing options. You also use grounded PKF a decent amount, though you usually spaced it well and didn't get punished for it much from what I could tell, it's something to watch out for, because the lag it takes for it to come out can be easily punished. I would almost never use a grounded PKF against a falcon or other fast character because it leaves you wide open.
  • Good usage of Zairs. You mix those up pretty well and it's an option that's hard for the opponent to consider.
  • I've tried messing around with PK Thunder as an edge guard option, as I see you doing, and I've found it's almost never the best option and can be heavily punishable. Occasionally it's successful for kills off the top, however. I'd stick with trying to land a Bair or PKF or even Fair, or just edgehogging instead (seriously, edgehog more). Using Bair offstage effectively will gimp so many characters; if you just use that every time you would otherwise PKT, you'll get so many more kills that you wouldn't have otherwise. I started to get frustrated that you kept choosing the PKT option.
  • Get used to throwing early instead of pummeling if you notice someone trying to mash out of grabs. You missed a few opportunities because of mash outs. Also related to throws. You tend to jump too early after throwing someone at higher percent and then they're too high for you to follow up on. Either use a different throw or try waiting a second longer before jumping.
  • Every time you would throw at low% and they didn't SDI and you didn't follow up with a guaranteed upsmash, I cried a little on the inside.
  • Speaking of DI, definitely try to use it more. It helps you get out of chain grabs and other set-ups to knee.
  • There were a few times I saw a good Dair and I was expecting another one or a jab reset but you always opted for ftilt instead. It's not the worst option, but you could punish a lot harder with a jab reset into whatever you feel like.
  • You do the same magnet pull tactic after practically every stock you take. I would definitely mix that up a bit because people will catch on and punish it, as was starting to happen in your matches.
  • I liked the mix up of reversing magnet offstage during recovery to face away from stage and come in with a back air. I'll definitely be trying that one.
  • Speaking of magnets during recovery. I think sometimes you might be inputting them just slliiiiightly too quickly to get maximum horizontal distance. It's either that or maybe you stop DIing while you magnet. Also, it's possible to start it during tumble a bit sooner than I see you doing, if you want to keep your vertical position higher.
  • I don't really see much l-canceling going on, and there are quite a few missed techs. Those are things you could work on.
That may look like a lot, but besides all that, you've got a lot of good stuff happening. Keep it up.
 

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Neon does Lucas justice.

I started practicing with Lucas after I saw some Pink Fresh wins with him, and now looking at those matches Neon posted it appears that Pink Fresh grew some inspiration from you Neon.

Thank you!
 

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here are some vids of a tournament from last weekend, I got 7th out of 68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvaNjnPObJY (vs. Mario)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NkXsb6klk (vs. Wolf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnr7ozi_A5c (vs. Ness)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjdPEbIaPkI (vs. Ike)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaPkAdNfdOg (vs. CF)

I think I did well for the most part (although the first game last stock SD vs. Ike was hilarious). at this point I'm mainly looking for any advice regarding better move selection in specific situations, especially in the Wolf and CF sets which I lost

my tech skill is fine at this point, just gotta find a way to be more efficient and actually win matches
 

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Noticed a couple small things. You use PKF when Falcon was too close, which, admittedly, is actually from pretty far away. I noticed a lot of whiffed grabs in the Wolf and Falcon sets, so this means you either need to work on reads or reactions (though it never hurts to work on both) At around 8:11 you tried to USmash Wolf whereas Up-angled FSmash would've connected (probably regular too)
 

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yeah looking back I had a good bit of trouble with the reads, the Wolf was especially good at teching a lot of the magnet combos and mixing up the techs which wasn't something I was especially accustomed to

also fsmash, got it
 

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http://youtu.be/DtcMPi9bsv4
Here's one from the ECE this past weekend. The first match I play Lucas vs Marth. Admittedly, this is some of the worst playing I've done, but besides the horrible SD's that I'm well aware of, anyone have any comments? (Especially how to not get bodied at the ledge)
 
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